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You wannabe-SLR old schoolers (I only use that term because that's how you guys are behaving), keep missing the key points in your zeal... overzeal to not change anything.

How unfortunate.
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I'm not for "not changing anything". I'm for having choices.

My dream DIGITAL system is:

First camera - SLR-type, interchangeble lenses, "full frame" (important for later), with BIG (film camera size) bright OVF and all manual controls. With 2.5" LCD which can be used for post-view, menus and "from matrix" preview with mirror up (no stealing from OVF - this is extremely important).
Having BIG OPTICAL VIEWFINDER and interchangeble lenses is a REQUIREMENT.

Second camera - lightweight with big rotating LCD (R1 type but lighter).

Idea of combining looks bad. Because first camera must not be small and lightweight (no good for shooting with long lenses, etc), while second must be small and light (for always having it by hand).
 
The primary factor of which is not having to carry around multiple camera's. ^
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kage said:
The primary factor of which is not having to carry around multiple
camera's. ^
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Why carry more than one ? They have different purposes.

The SLR one (with lenses) is when you can afford carrying stuff to do a good shot.
The second one (with zoom) is for casual shooting.

Different lenses render the very different picture. And no - I'm not talking about focal length, etc. I mean the picture itself. The bokeh, the plastic, the tone, etc.

Optical laws for now can't be overwritten. And no zoom lenses draw really interesting and articstic images. Especially hyper-zooms. The best bokeh I've seen from zooms (Canon) is really not very beautiful. Just soap. When you shoot wide open the picture start meaning a lot. And you buy prime lenses :)

Having several different lenses for different purposes already mean carrying stuff. It's for "thoughtful" photography - not the reporter's style.

That's why having different cameras for slow and thoughtful shooting and for casual report-style shooting is not a bad idea.
 
heh heh even I do that and I don't even own a DSLR yet (but sometimes my V3 is just too slow on the startup).

But it's clear that SLR makers are shooting to dip into the mass market (I've already made arguments to support this in other threads so I won't bother going into this here), and the mass market is showing a growing appetite for some of the things that an SLR seems to offer (I say "seems" because I often have DSLR owning friends - the Auto mode using type - ask me if the shots I've taken with my little V1, not even talking about my V3, were from an SLR) and doesn't really have the desire or wherewithal to carry more than it absolutely has to.

It just isn't practical.
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My primary camera's have been Canon high-end DSLR's with the Sony R1 as a back-up. But...recently I have found that I have been using the R1 for most of the shooting....so therefore it has taken my primary camera seat.

Whether you are using an ovf or an evf you still have "what you see isn't exactly what you get" issues.

I am preferring the evf because the primary elements that I now prefer to see in my pre-shot image is better provided on an evf. It has changed for-the-better my photography capture experience.

I shoot all day long....and it always is amazing to me how people confuse features/models of camera's with: "what would seem to be best" with "what would be best." The final shot is what is important. Not what camera model and type is the coolest.

One incredible aspect of the R1....is when I shoot Movie Production Stills. Great resolution, creative angles, NO SOUND. I can now leave my Blimp in the case. The R1 is an incredible tool. I'm waiting patiently for the New DSLR that Sony is going get us.....I'm assuming that is could change the industry and provide us with one move incredible option.
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Hello to all
LAS
 
My primary camera's have been Canon high-end DSLR's with the Sony R1 as a back-up. But...recently I have found that I have been using the R1 for most of the shooting....so therefore it has taken my primary camera seat.

Whether you are using an ovf or an evf you still have "what you see isn't exactly what you get" issues.

I am preferring the evf because the primary elements that I now prefer to see in my pre-shot image is better provided on an evf. It has changed for-the-better my photography capture experience.

I shoot all day long....and it always is amazing to me how people confuse features/models of camera's with: "what would seem to be best" with "what would be best." The final shot is what is important. Not what camera model and type is the coolest.

One incredible aspect of the R1....is when I shoot Movie Production Stills. Great resolution, creative angles, NO SOUND. I can now leave my Blimp in the case. The R1 is an incredible tool. I'm waiting patiently for the New DSLR that Sony is going get us.....I'm assuming that is could change the industry and provide us with one move incredible option.

I'm new to this group.
Hello to all
LAS
 
I understand your point. My point is that until an EVF will show me the same quality as an OVF, I don't want it. Period. I want to see the fine detail that I get in my OVF. If someone could make an EVF like that to allow me to see exposure and WB real time than that would be great. Unless, of course, you're talking about composing through an LCD on the back of the camera, then that would be a different story all together as I don't think it'd work well with long, heavy lenses (which are the better ones by the way).

This discussion really needs to be put in the context of current technology. I don't want an A2 or R1 type EVF, it's not good enough. Heck, I don't even like the OVF in the 5D compared to the one in my 7D.

What I really want is an OVF that covers 100% of the frame, which is rare these days.

This isn't about nostalgia, or trying to be old school. It's about quality. That's why we buy DSLR's in the first place. If they wanted to do a little live preview sensor above the mirror like Oly did, that's fine. I'm sure I wouldn't use it much though. I really don't understand what the time saving is to fiddle with the settings while you're composing as opposed to on review.
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People are afraid that if a DSLR gets features from a digicam it becomes a digicam. Features are just technical solutions.

Let's say you have an OPTIONAL mode to lock the mirror in the sensor exposure position, the info from the sensor can be channeled to both the memory card and the lcd*. And that's it - you have live preview. Release the mirror and you're back to OVF/SLR mode - a true reflex again

People are automatically afraid of changes. If you don't know how features can be added without damaging the existing DSLR it means that you're looking for a technical solution, it doesn't mean that it can't be done.

Features don't come instead of quality advances, they complement it. Digital was a feature that many disrespected once when there weren't enough technical solutions, and now - there are.

I'm surprised that some of the crowd of minolta - queen of innovations, are afraid of innovations.

(* I ignored shutter considerations, but that can also be resolved with existing mechanisms)
 
I remember (admittedly quite a bit of time ago) when stalwarts were all...

"phooey! you could never capture the quality I capture on my film SLR with your digicam"

I guess that changed a little bit huh.

^
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... but it's seeming more and more like there is a "I just dinna wanna [stamping foot, crossing arms with lowr lip thrust forward in a pout]" mentality with some.

^
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Kage is at it again. Exactly the same posts -- word for word --as those he posted in the movie mode thread. The same glib inanities. He is of ourse welcome tohis opinions, but to bore everyone with duplicate postings really sucks.
Bernie_King said:
That's the biggest bunch of garbage I've ever heard. An EVF
doesn't show you what the sensor sees, it shows you as much as the
junky little LCD can show you. The LCD on my 7D is one of the
highest resolution on the market and I still can't see details. I
can't even imagine trying to setup a macro shot and seeing the
results through an LCD in an EVF. I can just see a bunch of morons
running around with a lens that weighs five times as much as the
camera trying to compose a shot from the rear LCD. NO THANKS. We
buy high quality equipment with high quality lenses so that we can
get high quality images. I want to see what I'm shooting, not an
LCD rendering of it.
Maybe one day an evf will be developed with the same resolution as
an OVF, but I doubt it'll be anytime soon. So until that time
comes, I'll just learn how my camera does exposure, take my shot
and review the histogram. I really don't see how it saves any time
in the first place. After some time, you should really have a good
idea how your camera will expose ahead of time anyways.
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I mean I know you've got nothing else (you haven't been able to produce anything compelling or even more than somewhat relevent) to this point, but really. Is this what it comes down to? Criticizing posting technicalities?
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That was obvious from the start. If uninformed BS was music you'd have the London Philharmonic inside your head!

A V3--you are no doubt a really exdperinced P & S shooter.

ha ha. Nice trolling kage. Gotta give you credit!
kage said:
heh heh even I do that and I don't even own a DSLR yet (but
sometimes my V3 is just too slow on the startup).

But it's clear that SLR makers are shooting to dip into the mass
market (I've already made arguments to support this in other
threads so I won't bother going into this here), and the mass
market is showing a growing appetite for some of the things that an
SLR seems to offer (I say "seems" because I often have DSLR owning
friends - the Auto mode using type - ask me if the shots I've taken
with my little V1, not even talking about my V3, were from an SLR)
and doesn't really have the desire or wherewithal to carry more
than it absolutely has to.

It just isn't practical.
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People tend to resort to posts like yours when they've been completely outclassed in a debate.

It's a tragic thing to see, and I do wish you well and happiness when you finally manage to get over it.
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Since snobbery is usually an indication of insecurity.

Sure I shoot with a V series camera, why? 'cause they are excellent. Does that make me an experienced point and shooter? I guess. Though I use more manual controls on my apparently un-SLR-cool V than many DSLR-Snobs do on their Auto mode DSLR's.

So i guess you gotta wonder what the term P & S really means?

Besides the fact that I have a ton of experience on film SLR's... but that's right. Your debate-style seems to incorporate the time honored technique of ignoring inconvenient facts.

Anyway... once again, (in the name of sportsmanship) I'll say...

Nice try.
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I completely understand your point as well (and the sad thing that mr Fish does not seem to understand is that I agree!).

EVF's certainly have their limitations in their present state as well, which don't make them the ideal.

But my hope is that they (the manufacturers) put more focus on this issue and really crank up the quality on them.
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I was just agreeing with the previous poster who found your post mostly ill informed BS. I ALSO pointed out that it was the same BS repeated word for word like a broken record in different threads.

It is really the quality of your understanding of DSLR technology, your simplistic portrayal based on neither knowledge or DSLR experience--you don't own one, and your miniscule knowledge of the technology in them, and inter relationsip of design features in them, here and in the other thread, is what I am referring to. I guess you have to parrot the same lines over and over given that you have neither direct experience or technical knowledge to make arguments that carry credibility in your claims.

Just pointing that out. I don't need to resort to anything. The lack of substance in what you say--except for your personal desire to have certain features in DSLRs that I guess have impressed you in your V3 P&S, which is a noble motive I suppose--and your inability to argue your contentions with anything but repetitious and largely ill informed rants--speak for themselves.

Now, say it again kage.
kage said:
I mean I know you've got nothing else (you haven't been able to
produce anything compelling or even more than somewhat relevent) to
this point, but really. Is this what it comes down to?
Criticizing posting technicalities?
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Yatta, yatta, yatta.
kage said:
Since snobbery is usually an indication of insecurity.

Sure I shoot with a V series camera, why? 'cause they are
excellent. Does that make me an experienced point and shooter? I
guess. Though I use more manual controls on my apparently
un-SLR-cool V than many DSLR-Snobs do on their Auto mode DSLR's.

So i guess you gotta wonder what the term P & S really means?

Besides the fact that I have a ton of experience on film SLR's...
but that's right. Your debate-style seems to incorporate the time
honored technique of ignoring inconvenient facts.

Anyway... once again, (in the name of sportsmanship) I'll say...

Nice try.
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