YAY! Another PowerShot AXX Review

[Thomas Nilsson]

...agree

 

[shuttermug]

I agree totally. I thought the initial reply unnecessary.

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shuttermug

 

[brianj]

A friend was looking for an ultra compact with extra zoom. I
almost told her to get a Ricoh and then searched the web for some
picture samples. They were really noisy, I mean really noisy. I
will try and find the link. Anyway that could be why they do not
sell well.

You mean noisy like these R4 examples:
http://www.bytephoto.com/photopost/showgallery.php?ppuser=7787

http://www.pbase.com/bricoh/inbox

Brian

 

[boozed]

I think my point still holds though: the attitude that people are
not allowed to criticise anything unless they are able to do a
better job themselves is unconstructive.

On the other hand, they don't get paid for the reviews, so why should they have to put up with complaints about them? In other words; if you don't like it, keep your mouth shut and move along.

This really shouldn't have to be said...

 

[BobTrips]

I think my point still holds though: the attitude that people are
not allowed to criticise anything unless they are able to do a
better job themselves is unconstructive.

On the other hand, they don't get paid for the reviews, so why
should they have to put up with complaints about them? In other
words; if you don't like it, keep your mouth shut and move along.

Well, actually they do get paid for their reviews.

Their reviews bring people to the site. It would probably be a good idea if they listened to the people who generate the traffic that brings them advertising dollars.

This really shouldn't have to be said...

Yep.

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[Simon Joinson]

I think my point still holds though: the attitude that people are
not allowed to criticise anything unless they are able to do a
better job themselves is unconstructive.

On the other hand, they don't get paid for the reviews, so why
should they have to put up with complaints about them? In other
words; if you don't like it, keep your mouth shut and move along.

Well, actually they do get paid for their reviews.

Their reviews bring people to the site. It would probably be a
good idea if they listened to the people who generate the traffic
that brings them advertising dollars.

Now you're going to argue yourself into a corner - on the one hand we're supposed to be 'serving our visitors' by reviewing niche or non-globally available product based on the opinions of a vocal minority of forum visitors, but on the other we should 'listen to the people who generate the traffic' - who are the ones wanting 'yet another AXX review'.

There are a lot of dpreview visitors who simply use the facilities, read the reviews and the forums and don't make any noise at all... they are not clicking on Ricoh cameras, but they have kept the A700 in the top 5.

I'm afraid that what you're wishing for might just have come true

S
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Simon Joinson, dpreview.com

 

[JHaagsma]

I do not mind the Canon review, lots of attention for Canon camera's so lots of people will find that review interesting.

But I do agree that for a long time, Ricoh has been making camera's that at least on paper look very interesting. 28mm wideangle, long zoom ranges, nevertheless compact, excellent battery life, very low shutter lag. They deserve a review, even if Ricoh is not present everywhere in the world. Many people have criticized the image quality of Ricoh, I want to read DPReviews verdict!

So please, Simon: put up te R4 for a review!

I'd also like to see some reviews of specialty camera's like waterproof models? What image quality can I expect when I decide to take one of those? On par with normal camera's?

 

[olhovivo]

Maybe Ricoh doesn't want it to happen...
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Cheers,
Ricardo

 

[brianj]

Maybe Ricoh doesn't want it to happen...

What, to sell in the US or to be reviewed.

Brian

 

[olhovivo]

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Cheers,
Ricardo

 

[brianj]

You could be right, as Ricoh isn't into making technically perfect cameras which is what is evaluated at dpreview, they are making practical cameras for real everyday life for ordinary people.

Brian

 

[Laurie Strachan]

Has Ricoh even offered any cameras for review?
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Laurie Strachan

 

[Mike Maguire]

We can stop speculating about a Dpreview review of the Ricoh Caplio R4

Simon J has already indicated why not at

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=18004160

Pity really, but a very clear indication of not in the USA - not in a Dpreview review.

Mike
Exeter, UK

 

[JustMosing]

You mean noisy like these R4 examples:
http://www.bytephoto.com/photopost/showgallery.php?ppuser=7787

Considering this image was shot at ISO 64, I am underwhelmed by its quality:

http://www.bytephoto.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=62126&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=2

 

[BobTrips]

I think my point still holds though: the attitude that people are
not allowed to criticise anything unless they are able to do a
better job themselves is unconstructive.

On the other hand, they don't get paid for the reviews, so why
should they have to put up with complaints about them? In other
words; if you don't like it, keep your mouth shut and move along.

Well, actually they do get paid for their reviews.

Their reviews bring people to the site. It would probably be a
good idea if they listened to the people who generate the traffic
that brings them advertising dollars.

Now you're going to argue yourself into a corner - on the one hand
we're supposed to be 'serving our visitors' by reviewing niche or
non-globally available product based on the opinions of a vocal
minority of forum visitors, but on the other we should 'listen to
the people who generate the traffic' - who are the ones wanting
'yet another AXX review'.

I was pointing out to somebody (wish the text color matched the poster) that DPR is dependent on us mere mortals who visit your site. If we don't find stuff of value then we won't come here.

Personally, I'm not very concerned as to whether you review the Ricohs as they aren't sold here. But it seems like Ricoh did market the first 'short lag' compact and I would have enjoyed reading a review of it. Seemed to me to be an important step forward in fixed lens digitals.

There are a lot of dpreview visitors who simply use the facilities,
read the reviews and the forums and don't make any noise at all...
they are not clicking on Ricoh cameras, but they have kept the A700
in the top 5.

Need to give them a review, no argument from me. But please make room for 'oddballs' that might help push the technology forward.

And those visitors who "don't make any noise at all", they aren't adding content to your forums are they? And since you sell content....

I'm afraid that what you're wishing for might just have come true

Well, since I'm wishing for a Fuji S9000 replacement with a 15x lens, IS, Canon S2/3 style articulated LCD, and shallow DOF settings .... ;o)

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If you feel pressure from folks to review the cameras that they want reviewed, rejoice in the pressure.

It means that your reviews are valued.

Be glad that people just don't give a danm.

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[brianj]

You mean noisy like these R4 examples:
http://www.bytephoto.com/photopost/showgallery.php?ppuser=7787

Considering this image was shot at ISO 64, I am underwhelmed by its
quality:

http://www.bytephoto.com/photopost/showphoto.php?photo=62126&password=&sort=1&cat=500&page=2

I think it has a bit of character, it would be a plastiky world if all images has zero noise. In fact I have read threads here from people with DSLRs that complain because their images are too perfect or plastiky.

Brian

 

[austinphotog]

Mike,

you are really showing your ignorance or anti-americanism here. As simon said, half of dpreview's hits are from america. Why should simon review a camera, that sells badly in the rest of the world, and does not even try to be available to half of dpreview's eyeballs.

I'm not saying no one should be reviewing this camera. but I have not heard any earthshaking reason simon should review it. Other than some whining out there. Lets here from some users. Is this a good camera? Is it better than a pany or other equivalent?

We can stop speculating about a Dpreview review of the Ricoh Caplio R4

Simon J has already indicated why not at

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=18004160

Pity really, but a very clear indication of not in the USA - not in
a Dpreview review.

Mike
Exeter, UK

 

[olhovivo]

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Cheers,
Ricardo

 

[brianj]

Mike,

you are really showing your ignorance or anti-americanism here. As
simon said, half of dpreview's hits are from america. Why should
simon review a camera, that sells badly in the rest of the world,
and does not even try to be available to half of dpreview's
eyeballs.

I'm not saying no one should be reviewing this camera. but I have
not heard any earthshaking reason simon should review it. Other
than some whining out there. Lets here from some users. Is this a
good camera? Is it better than a pany or other equivalent?

Well, first there is no equivalent! At least not in this size.

Ricoh has not entered the noise reduction race like pany who have started to use image reduction to make out they have low noise, or the over processing race like Canon whos images stand little further PP.

I am not saying Ricoh is perfect, far from it, but it get a little tiring seeing Canon after Canon reviewed even when they are going backwards in many technical areas, while others make a genuine attempt to push the envelope. Why even Kodak is trying to do a few innovative things like the V570.

This site should not just be about the mundane, how about a camera of the year award.

Brian

 

[Joe0Bloggs]

All Ricoh cameras since ages ago have featured full-press shutter response that is about as fast as other digicams' half-press shutter response. For catching fast moving subjects not even a Casio or Sony can touch its performance. My years-old Caplio GX can catch the moment a diver hits the water, WITHOUT prefocus! I bet not even a DSLR can do that.

you are really showing your ignorance or anti-americanism here. As
simon said, half of dpreview's hits are from america. Why should
simon review a camera, that sells badly in the rest of the world,
and does not even try to be available to half of dpreview's
eyeballs.

I'm not saying no one should be reviewing this camera. but I have
not heard any earthshaking reason simon should review it. Other
than some whining out there. Lets here from some users. Is this a
good camera? Is it better than a pany or other equivalent?

We can stop speculating about a Dpreview review of the Ricoh Caplio R4

Simon J has already indicated why not at

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1000&message=18004160

Pity really, but a very clear indication of not in the USA - not in
a Dpreview review.

Mike
Exeter, UK