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Any experience with MTO 1000 mm F 10 on EOS DSLR ?

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I still have this russian "baby". Have been using it extensively in the past on 35 mm bodies. Now i seem to have lost the adapters M42 to eos and to nikon F that i used it with on my EOS 5 and nikon 90X. With the EOS i still got the metering right with A.

Want to try it on the 20D, seems like interesting to get 1600mm F10 for birding?

But before going through the hassle to get a new converter, i want to know if any of you has tried the russian MTO-11CA 10/1000 on their EOS DSLR.

please let me know, thanks in advance!

perryman
 
the MTO really is a nice lens.

Really appreciate experience with M42 to EOS adapter on a 1.6 crop (20D).
Nobody?

perryman
 
Hi Perryman -

Is this the one you're looking for? I had run a bunch of test shots, but I recently deleted them!

I'll see if I can find them on my backup DVDs. If so, I'll upload some of them and post the link for you.

I tested it on my 350D with a 12mm tube extension, and it still achieves infinity focus and beyond w/no probs. I ordered it through Rugifts.





I have a Katz-Eye focusing screen, so it is easier to focus, but still no piece of cake. A sturdy tripod is a must (The Cullman travel tripod in the pic is no match for this lens, my Velbon is much better). Also, the focus ring on my lens is smooth, but rather stiff.

Regards, Fred
http://www.pbase.com/picsbyfw/bestpics
perryman said:
the MTO really is a nice lens.

Really appreciate experience with M42 to EOS adapter on a 1.6 crop
(20D).
Nobody?

perryman
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... the MTO 1000/F10 has a diameter larger than the 20D body, and the flash-housing on this camera (as well as all other EOSs with built-in flash, I believe) obstructs the lens from being mounted directly to the camera. It will require either an extension tube (as one post in this thread suggests) or a teleconvertor (as a different post suggests).

I just wanted to clarify this, in case anyone was wondering after seeing the photos for the 350D rig on the tripod.

Thanks
Elia

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Elia Vecellio
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http://www.eliavecellio.com
 
My MTO 1000 mounts to my 20D using a KOOD M42 adapter with no
problems.
This is one big lump of mirror and glass but contrast is fantastic and
zero CA too,yep the best cat lens that i have used.
 
Thank you all for the very usefull information. Nice pictures also. Makes me want to go out and shoot.

I decided with your help to get me a decent adapter and use the russian animal again. Taking into account the exact mount to the 20D.

thanks very much!

Yes Fred that's the one.
Thank you whitemouse.
Thanks Elia.
Thanks Rickey for the KOOD M42

perryman
 
Hi Perryman -

You're welcome. Here are the links to some very quick test shots. Even though you have already decided to get the mount, I thought others might be interested.

35mm control shot -



100-400L w/Kenko Pro 300 2x teleconv -



The 1000mm mirror lens -



Regards, Fred
http://www.pbase.com/picsbyfw/bestpics
http://www.pbase.com/picsbyfw/miscxx
perryman said:
Thank you all for the very usefull information. Nice pictures also.
Makes me want to go out and shoot.

I decided with your help to get me a decent adapter and use the
russian animal again. Taking into account the exact mount to the
20D.

thanks very much!

Yes Fred that's the one.
Thank you whitemouse.
Thanks Elia.
Thanks Rickey for the KOOD M42

perryman
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Hi -

I do not have any 300mm mirror lenses, but I do have the Tamron SP500. A couple of shots on the camera, and a sample shot with the lens are included below.

This lens was (is) relatively expensive new, and I could not locate the Tamron Adaptall mount for the EOS. I use a m42 Adaptall mount and a m42-> EOS mount adapter (if memory serves me correctly).

The cheaper mirror lenses (I think I have seen some for 100 US) are not in the same league as this Tamron or the Sigma 600mm that used to be available. The Tamron is all metal and I can only wish that my 17-85 efs would operate this smoothly.

I bought the Tarmon used from Adorama, with the org case and filters, in very good condition for 175 US.







Regards, Fred
http://www.pbase.com/picsbyfw/bestpics
http://www.pbase.com/picsbyfw/miscxx
TheDigitalDonbavand said:
Has anyone tried the 300mm one - it looks so small and light it
could be handy to have?

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That's really very nice, and the samples prove a lot (to me at least).

And coming from the stellar catadiopters there is something else. There is the "vibration thing" and as said by some before: the air (flow and pollution) will surely have effect on the results with that 1000 MM (croppedx1.6 equivalent is 1600) used in town. Even small pollution particles will show as impurities in the picture. It will display more frequently in shots taken at almost infinity. And thats what we mostly do with this kind of mm animals. So shoot in frosty periods at daybreak of dawn.

Happy shooting, and when the adapter comes in, i'll try to post some samples.

perryman
 
Elia Vecellio said:
... the MTO 1000/F10 has a diameter larger than the 20D body, and
the flash-housing on this camera (as well as all other EOSs with
built-in flash, I believe) obstructs the lens from being mounted
directly to the camera. It will require either an extension tube
(as one post in this thread suggests) or a teleconvertor (as a
different post suggests).
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My MTO 1000A 1100/F10.5 does not require any of these, it can be mounted through the M42/EOS adapter.

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http://www.pbase.com/lithuania
 
Gediminas 8 said:
perryman said:
But before going through the hassle to get a new converter, i want
to know if any of you has tried the russian MTO-11CA 10/1000 on
their EOS DSLR.
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I have the MTO1000A (1100/10.5) and have posted a few sample shots
with it mounted on my 20D here (can be opened in full size):

http://www.pbase.com/lithuania/mto_1000a_1100105
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The quality does not seem to justify purchasing this lens. Do you think mirror lockup could have made a difference?
--
Misha
 
Gediminas 8 said:
Elia Vecellio said:
... the MTO 1000/F10 has a diameter larger than the 20D body, and
the flash-housing on this camera (as well as all other EOSs with
built-in flash, I believe) obstructs the lens from being mounted
directly to the camera. It will require either an extension tube
(as one post in this thread suggests) or a teleconvertor (as a
different post suggests).
Click to expand...
My MTO 1000A 1100/F10.5 does not require any of these, it can be
mounted through the M42/EOS adapter.
Click to expand...
I think the 350D and 20D are different in this respect - the mirror housing on the 350D projects forward more.
--
Misha
 
TheDigitalDonbavand said:
Has anyone tried the 300mm one - it looks so small and light it
could be handy to have?
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A zoom like the Tamron 70-300 is not big and quite light, and a lot better than manual focus 300 mirror, costs about $150 new and $100 or less used.

--
Misha
 
Elia Vecellio said:
... the MTO 1000/F10 has a diameter larger than the 20D body, and
the flash-housing on this camera (as well as all other EOSs with
built-in flash, I believe) obstructs the lens from being mounted
directly to the camera. It will require either an extension tube
(as one post in this thread suggests) or a teleconvertor (as a
different post suggests).
Click to expand...
Would you not loose infinity focus with a 12mm tube?
Elia Vecellio said:
I just wanted to clarify this, in case anyone was wondering after
seeing the photos for the 350D rig on the tripod.

Thanks
Elia

--
Elia Vecellio
[email protected]
http://www.eliavecellio.com
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Excal
 
misha said:
The quality does not seem to justify purchasing this lens. Do you
think mirror lockup could have made a difference?
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Probably, this has to be an extreme case of the need for MLU:) Maybe I should have bothered to go into the menus for that.

Another vulnerability of this lens is focus. You (well, myself at least) really have to spend some time adjusting the enormous focusing ring to find the sharpest setting.

As for the price... It was offered to me VERY cheaply, and I decided to give it a try:) Not much use so far, but no buyer regret either:)

--
A travel gallery of my country and some others:
http://www.pbase.com/lithuania
 
misha said:
I think the 350D and 20D are different in this respect - the mirror
housing on the 350D projects forward more.
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Could be - only I think the poster said that the problem applies to both bodies.

--
A travel gallery of my country and some others:
http://www.pbase.com/lithuania
 
I have had no luck mounting my MTO 1000/10 (don't have it here so can't check the exact model number) onto either a 300D or 20D using two different types of M42/EOS adaptors (one type purchased from http://www.dvdtechnik.com and the other from http://www.rugift.com [I think]).

In both cases the lens was obstructed by the flash-housing on the camera body because, as I mentioned before, the lens is wider than the camera body itself. I am assuming that people who have been able to mount the lens onto the these bodies without using TCs or extension tubes must be using some M42/EOS adaptor which is thicker, so holds the lens further away from the camera body (however, this would certainly mean losing infinity focus on other non-adjustable M42 lenses). The other possibility is that you have a slightly different variant of the MTO 1000/10, which is a little bit narrower. Now, I have just noticed the Subject heading for the post to which I am replying, so the second-option (above) seems most likely.

Maybe someone who has had luck with this combination wouldn't mind posting a picture of the setup (lens mounted on camera) and of the adaptor ring itself.

Thanks
Elia
Gediminas 8 said:
My MTO 1000A 1100/F10.5 does not require any of these, it can be
mounted through the M42/EOS adapter.
Click to expand...
--
Elia Vecellio
[email protected]
http://www.eliavecellio.com
 
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