DowntownPhotographer
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@30d price? I bet they will in the fall
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why cant canon come out with a full frame 35mm sensor
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Volker Hett
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could be spring. But the year is still undecided.
Up to now they only have a FF camera at D30 price
I wanted a better viewfinder and now I need more money
Up to now they only have a FF camera at D30 price
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I wanted a better viewfinder and now I need more money
DowntownPhotographer
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what are you reffering to?
DowntownPhotographer
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Then stop complaining.
Kenn Hwang43495
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It costs up to $900 or more just for the FF sensor itself. You do the math.
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misha
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the 5D is about twice the price of the 30D with otherwise similar features, which suggests that the sensor is about equal to the 30D price
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misha
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The $3000 price was considered a major breakthrough for a FF camera just a few months ago when the 5D was released.
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Mark B.
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I bet they won't. The D30 was actually close in price to the 5D when it first came out. It took 2 more generations (almost 3 years, 10D) before that line of camera body had an MSRP less than $2,000.
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PismoBeach
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Canon is making and bringing down the price of the 5D as fast as they can. You need to educate yourself on how bigger chips have smaller yields and thus causing them to cost more.
People seem to have the false impression that a large 36x24mm sensor only costs marginally more to make than an APS-C sensor. Sorry, but that's just not the case. If you want an affordable 35mm digital body, it's called the 5D. If you think that taking the 5D's sensor and sticking it into a 30D body (or even a Rebel XT body) will suddenly allow you to buy a 35mm FF digital body "@30D price", you're sorely mistaken. If you did that, it would only cost slightly less than the 5D.
dinoadventures
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exactly. 5D sensors are produced at roughly 25% successful yeild. so that means that on a wafer of 20 chips, only 5 will be usable. the other 15 are trash. trash = wasted materials/labour = expensive production = high product cost.
when the manufacturing process improves and they have a substantially greater successful yeild, the price will decrease.
btw, for reference, 1DsII sensors are
bpuppy
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Ya and I wish Apple would sell the Mac Book Pro at the same price as the iBook.
It WON'T happen ... Marketing 101, people ... maintain discrete lines of products ... one for the common person and one for the rich/professional person.
FF for the rich/pros and 1.6x crop for the common person ... I predict this will be the case for AT LEAST the next 5 years ... until the megapixel war is truely over (obviously, for all the hubbub in the forum, the war is not over in the LEAST) ... then some brave company might release a cheap FF camera and raise the bar for everyone.
But not for the foreseeable future.
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It WON'T happen ... Marketing 101, people ... maintain discrete lines of products ... one for the common person and one for the rich/professional person.
FF for the rich/pros and 1.6x crop for the common person ... I predict this will be the case for AT LEAST the next 5 years ... until the megapixel war is truely over (obviously, for all the hubbub in the forum, the war is not over in the LEAST) ... then some brave company might release a cheap FF camera and raise the bar for everyone.
But not for the foreseeable future.
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Sensor yield is inversely proportional to sensor size in an exponential manner. The number of sensors on the wafer is inversely proportional to the sensor size. Combining these two factors and assuming the same process and defect density for both types of sensors, the yield for the FF sensor is roughly 30X lower than the 1.6X sensor. Canon is already doing a great job lowering the price of the 5D to current level. The price will come down, but not to the 30D price for a long time.
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MachuRoberts
Senior Member
back to the person who suggested Marketing 101
why would they when there is no other company that is competing with a FF at that price point...Nikon isn't even close and that is the only one that would be close to their leauge...
Canon has started a new line, a new class of camera. making the Pro sensor avaliable to the everyday man... that is somthing right there
they have absolutly NO motivation to create a FF at the price anywhere near the 30D.
unless Nikon steps it up and produces somthing that competes with the 5D, i doubt the price is going to go down that much, nor will the 30D FF camera come into production any time soon
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why would they when there is no other company that is competing with a FF at that price point...Nikon isn't even close and that is the only one that would be close to their leauge...
Canon has started a new line, a new class of camera. making the Pro sensor avaliable to the everyday man... that is somthing right there
they have absolutly NO motivation to create a FF at the price anywhere near the 30D.
unless Nikon steps it up and produces somthing that competes with the 5D, i doubt the price is going to go down that much, nor will the 30D FF camera come into production any time soon
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Joe Buster
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does any other camera company make a FF for 1500
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