F11: Prestige appears to have turned over a new leaf ...

The address, not just warehouse, but also where you have to send
letters to, as given by Time2Envy itself, is 337 East 89th St in
Brooklyn, which is nextdoor to Prestige.
From my auction:

Please email me at [email protected] if you have any questions.

If you want to mail your payment, please send it and include a copy of this email to:
michael beylus
1900 New York Avenue
brooklyn, NY 11210
United States
(888) 477-1712
I'm not implying that being nextdoor means you have a business
relationship. I have no business relationship with my neighbors
either. (But then I don't ship cameras with the same non-fitting
power cord as my neighbors either.)
Which could easily come from sharing a distributor ... how many grey market importers are there are in NY? I don't know, and I'd bet you don't either.
I'm not accusing time2envy of anything, except having a poor choice
for address, as this address has at least been used in the past
(don't know about right now) by the known gang of shady camera
stores from Brooklyn.
Did he tell you to ship the camera back to that address? Because that would likely indicate a drop ship directly to the importer / kitter.

I'm merely objecting to the rampant speculation based on poorly understood business models and relationships.

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I have no idea what time2envy does at 1900 New York Avenue in
brooklyn, but the address they give themselves to their customers
is 337 East 89th St in Brooklyn, and that does appear in the
Brooklyn storefront website.
I've answered this before, but that address came directly from time2envy as the destination for any mailed payments. That's where he does his actual business.

During what phase of the transaction did you get the address you keep quoting?

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From that Brooklyn storefront site:

"A&M Photo World LLC, d.b.a. amphotoworld.com, PreferredPhoto.com
337 E 89th St., Remsen Village

PriceRunner has this address for amphotoworld. Web site no longer
has an address. This report has PreferredPhoto at this address.
This is next door to Prestige Camera, which is most likely owned by
A&M. [Picture taken on a Jewish holiday.]"

I think its pretty clear who time2envy is. Thx for the info Paul,
maybe time2envy will have time2come tell us about the whole issue.
Perhaps you could wait to condemn time2envy while we figure out where Paul got that address from ... I got a different address and these may have come at different phases of the transaction.

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337 is where they take their returns.

I had to send two items back to that address.
I have no idea what time2envy does at 1900 New York Avenue in
brooklyn, but the address they give themselves to their customers
is 337 East 89th St in Brooklyn, and that does appear in the
Brooklyn storefront website.
I've answered this before, but that address came directly from
time2envy as the destination for any mailed payments. That's where
he does his actual business.

During what phase of the transaction did you get the address you
keep quoting?

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Time2Envy emailed my friend the 337 E 89th St. address to mail a letter (with warranty card) to, not to return equipment.

So time2envy has actually confirmed that this is one of their addresses. When the post-office failed to deliver the letter during business hours time2envy replied in an email that "someone should have been able to accept it, because we are here monday-thursday 9-7". So whoever it is who answers to "[email protected]" claims that "they" are at the 337 E 89th St address monday-thursday 9-7.

I don't know what more I can say to convince people that this is really one of the time2envy addresses (and it is nextdoor to Prestige).
From that Brooklyn storefront site:

"A&M Photo World LLC, d.b.a. amphotoworld.com, PreferredPhoto.com
337 E 89th St., Remsen Village

PriceRunner has this address for amphotoworld. Web site no longer
has an address. This report has PreferredPhoto at this address.
This is next door to Prestige Camera, which is most likely owned by
A&M. [Picture taken on a Jewish holiday.]"

I think its pretty clear who time2envy is. Thx for the info Paul,
maybe time2envy will have time2come tell us about the whole issue.
Perhaps you could wait to condemn time2envy while we figure out
where Paul got that address from ... I got a different address and
these may have come at different phases of the transaction.

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Well, you conviced me. I got a different address from him ... but obviously he has space at that address.

By the way, Prestige has their physical address on their web site as:
Physical Address
315 East 89th St
Brooklyn, NY 11236

You keep saying next door ... are these two addresses that close to each other?

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http://donwiss.com/pictures/BrooklynStores/

Clearly states that the time2envy addy is next door to Prestige Camera, and was formerly known as A&M Photo, also another name for Prestige. I'd imagine time2envy is either an employee or the same person as Prestige... they may be purchasing the cams @ the Prestige price and reselling them on Ebay or Prestige may have no idea one of their employees is selling F11's on Ebay.
Well, you conviced me. I got a different address from him ... but
obviously he has space at that address.

By the way, Prestige has their physical address on their web site as:
Physical Address
315 East 89th St
Brooklyn, NY 11236

You keep saying next door ... are these two addresses that close to
each other?

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337 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY is owned by STAVROULA PANAGAKOS, county records indicate it is a duplex of 1,856 sq.ft. on a 2,000 sqft. lot and the tax bill is being mailed to this situs address, which generally implies (not always) the owner is also in possession of the building, it was purchased 8/1/1974. As a duplex half is likely rented and how many more times the building has been split, or parts subleased is unknown by me in California, an on site inspection would be required. In and executive suite situation you could easily have 10 people using an address of this size. Only and onsite inspection and investigation will reveal the truth.

The return address on my camera from Time2Envy was the address above.
I will not speak about Prestige, I have not done business with him.

Paul, you claim to be a University professor, however, you sound like a pubescent teaching assistant when you rant on about how an address is an implication of wrong doing. When I buy or lease a house or business must I search the records and then do endless searches into all of its prior activities of the prior inhabitants.......which is basically what you said a business should do. Then further; a college professor knows very little of the real business world, in the real world, business models are not performed as a classroom a description, real world business are fluid and models change constantly. As a college professor you are uniquely unqualified about real world arrangements in the business world.......business does not mold to a classroom model, classroom models that are taught in business school are fabricated from the success of prior business and then changes when the next success breaks the prior mold and college professors are always behind the real world.

I have had clients and friends in a number of business similar to the photography business, in price point of cameras. These business sometimes go together to make purchases in order to get price points and sometimes even just to get the product in the first place that is limited to more units then a small retailer can afford to buy on their own. Sometimes people operate out of other peoples address because they need such an address to do business with a wholesaler or manufacturer who will not deal with a retailer below a certain gross sales volume level and will never sell to a P.O. Box or a residential address. Many small business run out of their home or out of a warehouse, where retail sales are prohibited and must have a retail storefront to do business with a wholesaler or manufacturer, there are hundreds of possibilities here to explain what is going on and all that has come forward in this form us rumor and innuendo.....and “similar addresses” how childish!!!

The Facts are that time2envy has 5,219 positive feedbacks on EBay and you sound ignorant of the meaning of this number which reflects 99.4 % positive transactions from arms length transactions, some might have been neutral or negative but 99.4 were positive, that is far better then a survey would yield of students from any of your lectures, I am quite sure.

337 is not 315.......so shut up about them being the same address they are not, the same! This applies to mind expansion as well, who needs only a thought as clear evidence. Internet recordes are often outdated, it might show a hit from a document from 20 years ago, because the address is in the document and it is on the net, this is not proof of anything.

Facts are that whoever Michael is assocaited with or renting from, he has proven himself 5,219 times to be a trustworthy retailer and anyone who cannot see that.............does not have the eyes to see..............
"A&M Photo World LLC, d.b.a. amphotoworld.com, PreferredPhoto.com
337 E 89th St., Remsen Village

PriceRunner has this address for amphotoworld. Web site no longer
has an address. This report has PreferredPhoto at this address.
This is next door to Prestige Camera, which is most likely owned by
A&M. [Picture taken on a Jewish holiday.]"

I think its pretty clear who time2envy is. Thx for the info Paul,
maybe time2envy will have time2come tell us about the whole issue.
I have no idea what time2envy does at 1900 New York Avenue in
brooklyn, but the address they give themselves to their customers
is 337 East 89th St in Brooklyn, and that does appear in the
Brooklyn storefront website.

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Slowly learning to use the DRebel (only around 20.000 shots) and
now also the Fuji F11.
Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
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1 06062-00068 315 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5603 MURRAY PATRICK
2 07924-00160 315 E 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11236-1603 JDM REALTY COMPANY I
3 06064-00007 316 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5604 YOUSEF MUGRABI
4 06062-00067 317 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5603 TAM HON
5 06064-00008 318 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5604 YOUSEF MUGRABI
6 06064-00009 320 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5604 BASTAOJIAN JOE
7 06062-00066 321 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5600 FRANTA HELGA
8 06064-00010 322 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5604 SULLIVAN ALICE
9 06062-00065 323 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5603 WONG KALI
10 06062-00064 325 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5603 LIU CUI ZHENG
11 06062-00063 327 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5603 LAU DANNY H
12 06064-00011 330 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5657 330 89 ST CORP
13 06062-00062 331 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5603 KIM HAN SOOK
14 06064-00111 332 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5656 332 89TH ST
15 06062-00061 333 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5603 GEORGALKIS STELLA
16 06062-00060 335 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5603 HEALY PATRICK H
17 06064-00013 336 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5644 NORFRIOS ARGIRIOS
18 06062-00059 337 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5603 STAVROULA PANAGAKOS
19 06064-00014 338 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5658 STAVROPOULOS GEORGE
20 06064-00015 340 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5631 STAVROPOULOS GEORGE
21 06062-00058 341 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5603 WAN PIU CHAN
22 06064-00016 342 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5630 KOS LUCIJAN
23 06062-00057 343 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5603 KONIKOFF M CRAIG
24 06064-00116 344 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5629 NORRIS JOANN/TR
25 06062-00056 345 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5603 CHRISTOFI JULIA
26 06062-00055 347 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5603 ANTONI CMIELEWSKI
27 06064-00017 348 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5628 BLETSAS GEORGE
28 06064-00018 350 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY 11209-5627 CARUSO EILEEN D
 
You seem a bit behind, read some of the above posts, and keep it civil... I'm not sure how this conversation warrants a "shut up" and a fistful of nothing but personal insults. Personally, I like the accurate spelling/grammar/intellect of a college professor as opposed to someone who rudely turns to personal insults and lacks a coherent message... Paul presented nothing but information he gathered.
The return address on my camera from Time2Envy was the address above.
I will not speak about Prestige, I have not done business with him.

Paul, you claim to be a University professor, however, you sound
like a pubescent teaching assistant when you rant on about how an
address is an implication of wrong doing. When I buy or lease a
house or business must I search the records and then do endless
searches into all of its prior activities of the prior
inhabitants.......which is basically what you said a business
should do. Then further; a college professor knows very little of
the real business world, in the real world, business models are not
performed as a classroom a description, real world business are
fluid and models change constantly. As a college professor you
are uniquely unqualified about real world arrangements in the
business world.......business does not mold to a classroom model,
classroom models that are taught in business school are fabricated
from the success of prior business and then changes when the next
success breaks the prior mold and college professors are always
behind the real world.

I have had clients and friends in a number of business similar to
the photography business, in price point of cameras. These
business sometimes go together to make purchases in order to get
price points and sometimes even just to get the product in the
first place that is limited to more units then a small retailer can
afford to buy on their own. Sometimes people operate out of other
peoples address because they need such an address to do business
with a wholesaler or manufacturer who will not deal with a retailer
below a certain gross sales volume level and will never sell to a
P.O. Box or a residential address. Many small business run out of
their home or out of a warehouse, where retail sales are prohibited
and must have a retail storefront to do business with a wholesaler
or manufacturer, there are hundreds of possibilities here to
explain what is going on and all that has come forward in this form
us rumor and innuendo.....and “similar addresses” how childish!!!

The Facts are that time2envy has 5,219 positive feedbacks on EBay
and you sound ignorant of the meaning of this number which reflects
99.4 % positive transactions from arms length transactions, some
might have been neutral or negative but 99.4 were positive, that is
far better then a survey would yield of students from any of your
lectures, I am quite sure.

337 is not 315.......so shut up about them being the same address
they are not, the same! This applies to mind expansion as well,
who needs only a thought as clear evidence. Internet recordes are
often outdated, it might show a hit from a document from 20 years
ago, because the address is in the document and it is on the net,
this is not proof of anything.

Facts are that whoever Michael is assocaited with or renting from,
he has proven himself 5,219 times to be a trustworthy retailer and
anyone who cannot see that.............does not have the eyes to
see..............
"A&M Photo World LLC, d.b.a. amphotoworld.com, PreferredPhoto.com
337 E 89th St., Remsen Village

PriceRunner has this address for amphotoworld. Web site no longer
has an address. This report has PreferredPhoto at this address.
This is next door to Prestige Camera, which is most likely owned by
A&M. [Picture taken on a Jewish holiday.]"

I think its pretty clear who time2envy is. Thx for the info Paul,
maybe time2envy will have time2come tell us about the whole issue.
I have no idea what time2envy does at 1900 New York Avenue in
brooklyn, but the address they give themselves to their customers
is 337 East 89th St in Brooklyn, and that does appear in the
Brooklyn storefront website.

--
Slowly learning to use the DRebel (only around 20.000 shots) and
now also the Fuji F11.
Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
--
Gallery; http://www.pbase.com/poochdp

 
You will notice that county records show two items for 315 address, one is east and the other is not east or west, so again and onsite inspection is teh best way to sort out who is where and this is ownership info from the public records not tenant information.
 
Prestige may be getting you guys good deals but its still useless
for us New Yorkers who have to pay the 8.75% tax plus the shipping.
We really only end up saving maybe $15-20 which may not be worth it
to some solely because of "taking a chance." I also have an
inkling they might cancel orders when they see the shipping address
in fear of their lives. Imagine being rude and cursing at a
customer for him to end up showing up at your door? If they ever
ripped me off, I only live 20 mins away. I'd pay them a visit with
Fox 5 News, a bat, and a mop to clean up the mess. But hey, that's
me.
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Slowly learning to use the DRebel (only around 20.000 shots) and
now also the Fuji F11.
Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
I was comparing to the Hawaii store. And yes, Fox 5 News would work, the general public still doesn't know the scams of all these companies. Plus, its Fox News, they're always looking for yellow journalism.
 
You seem a bit behind, read some of the above posts, and keep it
civil... I'm not sure how this conversation warrants a "shut up"
and a fistful of nothing but personal insults. Personally, I like
the accurate spelling/grammar/intellect of a college professor as
opposed to someone who rudely turns to personal insults and lacks a
coherent message... Paul presented nothing but information he
gathered.
You also like rumor and innuendo more then facts! So what informed and level headed person could possibly account for your tastes!!
 
I am not denying that many people have received their F11 through time2envy without too much trouble. My friend received her F11 through time2envy without any trouble. There was only trouble with the extended warranty.

I don't know enough about how businesses work to be certain about anything. What I have done is point people at the brookly storefront website, make them aware of locations, and recall from threads on this site that the F11s that came from Prestige and from Time2envy both had the same non-fitting power cord.

I can dream up how this is possible. I have come to realize that others have different "dreams". That's all fair. You can believe whatever you want. I believe that time2envy and prestige have closer ties than many people believe. You are free to believe otherwise.

As a computer science professor I am no better in domains outside of computer science than anyone else. I know that when it comes to taking pictures I'm not very good (to put it mildly). I also know that when it comes to dealing with businesses I am very bad. Many companies have already given me a raw deal. I am slowly learning, and one thing that I have learnt is that it's better to stay out of a deal when in even the slightest doubt than to take chances. I know this limits the stores where I can shop, but it gives me more piece of mind to shop only where I have absolute 100% confidence.

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Slowly learning to use the DRebel (only around 20.000 shots) and now also the Fuji F11.
Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
 
As a computer science professor I am no better in domains outside
of computer science than anyone else. I know that when it comes to
taking pictures I'm not very good (to put it mildly). I also know
that when it comes to dealing with businesses I am very bad. Many
companies have already given me a raw deal. I am slowly learning,
and one thing that I have learnt is that it's better to stay out of
a deal when in even the slightest doubt than to take chances. I
know this limits the stores where I can shop, but it gives me more
piece of mind to shop only where I have absolute 100% confidence.
It would probably have been a good idea to establish right up front that you are somewhat risk adverse, which would have allowed people to understand your frame of mind a bit better.

To summarize my interpretation of your argument ...

There is a chance that the nearness of time2envy's address to Prestige camera's address implies a business relationship between the two companies. And resellerratings.com has many recent complaints about Prestige. Thus, for risk adverse people, it might be prudent to avoid either.

I would point out that the very high level of positive feedback on eBay for time2envy is stronger evidence and worthy of higher weighting than the address and cable coincidences. At least it is entirely tangible.

Meanwhile ... this has all gotten way out of hand, so I've sent email to time2envy asking him to comment on the address and bad cable coincidences. I'll report back when if and when I get a response.

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Paul: time2envy has credible irrefutable history of demonstrating an almost perfect sales history, yet you continue to deny it and wish to impugn there integrity with unfounded remarks, it is irresponsible of you, how can an educated man not see this?

The only reports I read on this form of time2envy power cords being a problem was that there were two cases where the cords were not shaped properly, it was not clear if this was a manufacturing glitch or the wrong cords, in both cases, as I remember, a small shaving of the end of the cord with a knife fixed the problem.........the power cord problems with the Prestige items were that folks had to go to Radio Shack and purchase another cord. My cord did not fit perfectly into power supply and took a little jiggling, this was a manufacturing quality control issue not a grey market, wrong power cord for a different retail market type issue, which may have been the same case in the other two time2envy issues.

I have posted the addresses on 89 street. I think any student of truth can see that 315 & 337 are different addresses and now you can see they are different buildings and in fact are owned by different people.

I think you own time2envy a public apology for linking, insinuating and blaming time2envly for Prestige’s business practices, I will respect a man who can admit his mistakes, but not one who digs there heals in and fights like a dog in spite of his mistake to cover it up and when doing so damages a business that has worked hard and earned a well deserved 99.4 % positive trading status on the leading internet retail space called Ebay. They are not at the same address, they do not have the same feedback history in the real world and you have nothing to prove they are the same people, in fact all the evidence suggests they are different people located at different addresses, with entirely different business models who happen to be in the same City.

You know Paul, slander is the stuff that law suites are made of and as I pointed out earlier, slander is as wrong in the courts eyes as not delivering a memory card as promised and certainly worse then being rude or pushy as has been leveled at Prestige! I will point out again that slander is as much a character defect as what you accuse Prestige of. Isn’t it time to come clean and admit you wrongly aligned time12envy with Prestige’s history and offer an apology and close the matter?

I too have alerted time2envy of these going ons, I know what it takes to build a positve business reputation and I am sensitive to folks who never had thier own business or might have a government job and have no understanding of what it takes to make a small buisness or any business work properly.
 
I have never denied the almost perfect sales history of time2envy. But I am also not the only one here who says that whenever you have to return something there are problems.

I have never said they have the same address as prestige. According to the brooklyn storefront website they are nextdoor, but not the same address. I also didn't say these buildings have the same owner. I have not personally visited these sites, but I am inclined to believe the guy who actually visited many Brooklyn addresses to take pictures and post them on that website. When he says these buildings are adjacent I am inclined to believe that, but you are free to think otherwise.

I never insinuated that time2envy uses the same bad business practice as prestige. Ordering from them (at a significantly higher price) really appears to go much smoother than with prestige. (Returning something is a different matter.) And I do really prefer their business model of no hassles at a higher price, because I want to do business without hassle.

I have never "aligned time12envy with Prestige’s history", if I understand what you mean by this. What I did say is that it was a bad choice to work from an address that is known as a bad address. Since you say you know what it takes to build a positive business reputation you probably know very well that one thing it takes is to steer away from anything that might give the (even when false) impression you just possibly might be linked to a less than reputable business. You have to choose your business location carefully. You have to avoid silly problems like providing a power cord that doesn't fit properly. You have to make sure that not only the sales without problems go well but also the ones with problems and the returns. Many companies have problems in these areas. I am certainly not blaming time2envy of being worse than many others.

I don't know what more I can say to make you understand that I have merely made some observations (like address, similar power cord problems, problems with returns) and I have said what I believe and I am not asking anyone to draw the same conclusions that I did.

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Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
 
After all, even though people take different chances with different suppliers, people do have a choice between ordering from Hawaii or from Brooklyn, and with not much hassle at a higher price from time2envy or with some hassle (but lately not much it seems) from prestige at a lower price.

It is too bad the F11 is not generally available in the US (like it is in the rest of the world), but there are several ways to get it, and more than enough information and rumour about the different stores so everyone can make up their mind.

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Public pictures at http://wwwis.win.tue.nl/~debra/photos/
 
Comments in text.
337 89TH ST BROOKLYN, NY is owned by STAVROULA PANAGAKOS,
county
The return address on my camera from Time2Envy was the address above.
I will not speak about Prestige, I have not done business with him.
And that is the point exactly, the address that time2envy gave you as a return adddress is the same address as A&M photoworld which also does business under the names Preferred Photo, Broadway Photo, Prestige camera and Regal camera.
http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/ripoff161891.htm
http://www.resellerratings.com/seller1995.html

Those two links spell it out pretty clearly, but I doubt you will see them for what they are. To make it simple for you, the ripoff report page is posted to show that the exact address you were given by time2envy is the address Preferred Photo is using. The reseller ratings link is to show that there is a connection, that Preferred Photo, Broadway Photo, AM Photoworld and Prestige camera all use the exact same address, and that time2envy uses that address as their return address. I am not sure why you are getting so excited. It would seem that you are the one who can't see a connection here.

In time2envy's defense, he does have an excellant feedback rating and many happy customers including you and Kim. Thats cool, but why deny the fact that he uses the same address as these other companies which are known to be scam artists.

My guess is that time2envy is not even a physical company per se, what I mean is that perhaps this gentleman has connections and his business is simply internet orders with agreements form other companies to drop ship. You send an order to time2envy and that order is filled by prestige or anyone else that time2envy has allocated as the supplier for that item. This seems like a perfectly feasable explanation of why he uses the address of crooks as his return address.

But then you would have to admit the a connection exists and that goes against everything you have posted in this thread.
337 is not 315.......so shut up about them being the same address
Yes but 337 is 337 and that is the address used by time2envy and Preferred Photo which is a name used by AM Photoword and Bwayphoto, Broadway Photo, Prestige Camera, etc. is this getting any clearer?

Ted
I have no idea what time2envy does at 1900 New York Avenue in
brooklyn, but the address they give themselves to their customers
is 337 East 89th St in Brooklyn, and that does appear in the
Brooklyn storefront website.
 

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