A stolen cf card

[leeh255]

I have some personal experience with small claim courts. First you must attempt to find a solution before court. Send certified letters to the venue operator/owner demanding the replacement of your personal property which was taken from you without justification. (It was a 4 gig card right?) You must be specific as the item taken, its worth and cost of replacement.

Demand that they replace or offer monetary compensation for the item or you will seek damages in court. You are entitled in small claims court for 'triple' damages because the party failed to resolve the issue before court.

No documentation, no case.

Lee

 

[Craig Gillette]

The chances the venue is going to allow random pummeling of paying customers is slight. Besides, getting a few thumps will almost certainly guarantee that you have enough cause to attract sharks to the bloody water.

 

[Craig Gillette]

And wasting the court's time. Go in unprepared and you will lose. You go in and ask for $2000 because some guy said you could on the internet and the judge will give you some very quick legal lessons.

There is no value to this beyond replacing the card. And you need to ask for current market price - they don't depreciate, it isn't a car but they've been dropping over time just in general prices. So have a couple of "quotes" like ad pages, catalog pages, etc., just to establish the price. If it was a 1 gig card, price a 1 gig card.

Insurance companies, risk managers, etc., aren't in the business of giving away money. Don't expect to be facing some bumpkin across the table.

You are going to need to be able to be clear on how they got the card, even if it was mild intimidation, why you turned it over to them. You also had better know the full side of photographic policy at the venue and for the event. The guy at the other table will. What does the website say? What do the tickets say? What did the guards (whoever) say? You need to be sure there are no signs or notices, not just be able to say "I didn't see any." You need to be able to explain who you asked. Was it somebody you might reasonably expect to know? You will need to show what you did prior to filing the suit to resolve the claim.

Keep it firmly in mind that there is, I would expect, no commercial value to the images. You don't have the permission of the venue or the artists nor releases or passes to show permission. You couldn't sell the images.

 

[PalmsWestPhoto]

Chato

And while $2000 is not a fortune - it will make them think."

The above is the Full Quote.

It will not make them think if you dont have a reason to ask for it. Silly ...

Is this not disputable? The author states that there were no signs.
The suthor states that he Asked before going in. Sounds to me like
he has a case. And if the Court disgree's, they will simply
disallow the money over cost of the card. Personally I think this
is outrageous.

Well you can of course personally thinkl as much as you want but it is not going to do any good ...

So you would have preseumably beat the tar out of the security
guards? Not that I would blame you per-se - But that could result
in quite a bit of a hassle, especially if the whole bunch claim you
attacked them.

Dont know where you read that into what i wrote. I guess you are some kind of hot head or something like that ? I would simply not give up my property if there is no reason to. If they want they can call the police and then the issue will be taken care of.

--
Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com

 

[Chato]

Dont know where you read that into what i wrote. I guess you are
some kind of hot head or something like that ? I would simply not
give up my property if there is no reason to. If they want they can
call the police and then the issue will be taken care of.

I have seen security guards do exactly as I have described...

If they want to they WILL se force. Obviously this occurs on a case by case basis. But if you think that they wouldn't use force - you are naive.

So what if you do refuse, and they use force? Do you think that that's what they will say? Oh no, they;'ll say you attacked them and they had to defend themselves. In fact, this is amost standard procedure with many (not all) of these companies.

Dave

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Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com

 

[PalmsWestPhoto]

Dave

I have seen security guards do exactly as I have described...

What you described in your post was ME beating a security guard not the other way around.

If they want to they WILL se force. Obviously this occurs on a case
by case basis. But if you think that they wouldn't use force - you
are naive.

If they use force even better. That will now give me a very good lawsuit that will really yield some monetary compensation that will certainly be worth getting my laywer involved

So what if you do refuse, and they use force? Do you think that
that's what they will say? Oh no, they;'ll say you attacked them
and they had to defend themselves. In fact, this is amost standard
procedure with many (not all) of these companies.

If they use force and i do not i will be the one collecting money. I dont know where you live where it is standard practice by 'these' companies to beat up visitors to their establishment but i would probably move if i'd live in a place like that (if it was really like that ...)

--
Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com

 

[Chris Beney]

...I asked before I went in, if I would have any problems with
taking my camera in to the show.... I then went to the show and
started shooting.

Well if that is what you asked, what does it prove? You can take a camera into most shows (not the High Court in London though, as I found out). But that says nothing about using it.
The question to ask is "am I allowed to take photographs inside?"
Chris Beney

 

[Chato]

I have seen security guards do exactly as I have described...

What you described in your post was ME beating a security guard not
the other way around.

No, what I described was you beating them up after they attempted to force you to give it up.

If they want to they WILL se force. Obviously this occurs on a case
by case basis. But if you think that they wouldn't use force - you
are naive.

If they use force even better. That will now give me a very good
lawsuit that will really yield some monetary compensation that will
certainly be worth getting my laywer involved

First you will have to get out of jail after they turn you over to the police for "attacking" them.

So what if you do refuse, and they use force? Do you think that
that's what they will say? Oh no, they;'ll say you attacked them
and they had to defend themselves. In fact, this is amost standard
procedure with many (not all) of these companies.

If they use force and i do not i will be the one collecting money.
I dont know where you live where it is standard practice by 'these'
companies to beat up visitors to their establishment but i would
probably move if i'd live in a place like that (if it was really
like that ...)

Good, you have a lot to learn about $8 an hour security guards.

Dave

Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com

 

[PalmsWestPhoto]

Dave

No, what I described was you beating them up after they attempted
to force you to give it up.

Here is what you wrote

So you would have preseumably beat the tar out of the security guards? Not that I would blame you per-se - But that could result in quite a bit of a hassle, especially if the whole bunch claim you attacked them.

cant see where they forced me and i had to use force to defend myself. All i can see is that you asked if i would beat the tar out of them

First you will have to get out of jail after they turn you over to
the police for "attacking" them.

That may be the case where you live but where i live people have rights and in case of a venue like this there are at least a few hundred witnesses not to even think of the media that is there making sure that it gets on tape and in pictures.

So what if you do refuse, and they use force? Do you think that
that's what they will say? Oh no, they;'ll say you attacked them
and they had to defend themselves. In fact, this is amost standard
procedure with many (not all) of these companies.

Good, you have a lot to learn about $8 an hour security guards.

You seem to have a lot to learn about live. I think my initial observation about the hot head was quite right. At some point you will learn as well though probably ...

--
Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com

 

[Chato]

It's intellectualy dishonest

You wrote:
"If it was me they wouldnt have the card in the first place as i
wouldnt give it up"

To which I replied

"So you would have preseumably beat the tar out of the security guards? Not that I would blame you per-se - But that could result in quite a bit of a hassle, especially if the whole bunch claim you attacked them."

So just what does your statement mean? You are saying flat out that you wouldn't give it up, presumably, asking them to call the police. What would really occur is that they would escort you to the "manager" and then physically take the card from you. If you resisted, they would indeed physically assualt you. And THEY would call the police to have you arrested for asault.

And yes, I'v e seen this happen, which is the reason for my sarcasm.

And I've also witnessed cases where they were to stupid to wait until they got to the managers office. And indeed, they got "sued."

Now what if you told them, "I;m not giving the card up, I'm leaving."

Would they allow you to leave with the card? Maybe. Depends on the company and the policy.

Dave

No, what I described was you beating them up after they attempted
to force you to give it up.

Here is what you wrote

So you would have preseumably beat the tar out of the security
guards? Not that I would blame you per-se - But that could result
in quite a bit of a hassle, especially if the whole bunch claim you
attacked them.

cant see where they forced me and i had to use force to defend
myself. All i can see is that you asked if i would beat the tar out
of them

First you will have to get out of jail after they turn you over to
the police for "attacking" them.

That may be the case where you live but where i live people have
rights and in case of a venue like this there are at least a few
hundred witnesses not to even think of the media that is there
making sure that it gets on tape and in pictures.

So what if you do refuse, and they use force? Do you think that
that's what they will say? Oh no, they;'ll say you attacked them
and they had to defend themselves. In fact, this is amost standard
procedure with many (not all) of these companies.

Good, you have a lot to learn about $8 an hour security guards.

You seem to have a lot to learn about live. I think my initial
observation about the hot head was quite right. At some point you
will learn as well though probably ...

--
Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com

 

[PalmsWestPhoto]

Dave

you need to learn a lot.

You sound like a teenager that doesnt have any real life experience immediately thinking of using violence.

One day you will probably grow up too

--
Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com

 

[Chato]

Patronising is wonderful. So is ignorance. I've worked in the field of law.

Enjoy

Dave

Dave

you need to learn a lot.

You sound like a teenager that doesnt have any real life experience
immediately thinking of using violence.

One day you will probably grow up too

--
Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com

 

[jk]

make a stink send your story to every newspaper you can think of including the morning radio show you listen to .. you never know

the nerve of them to take your card and destroy it

i understand if they just want to kick you out but to take your property?

Obviously they are not allowed to take or destroy your personal
property

I would certainly make sure they remember this from now on by
making sure they pay for it

--
Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com

--
beam me up scotty

im giving it all shes got captain

 

[brn]

As someone else said, go to the police. This may not merely be a civil issue, but also a criminal one. Theft by intimidation.

 

[peter s cook]

--
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Question did they give you a recept for the card?
Could you adentify the person.

Does this person work full time for the people or was he or she hired just for this event .

If you do plan to sue them make sure you cover every thing because if you do not word it right in serving the correct way you automately loose your law suit .
So do it this way cover your ass in every way you can .
Good luck and sorry you had this experiance .
Next time have a card that you can hand them so you do not loose all your work

 

[Paul D163713]

Peter, good advice but as you write below your signature line it will never get indexed by the search engine.

 

[keithallenlaw]

I think thats why he does. Incognito perhaps?
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