Cindy Sheehan, Jesse Jackson, Anti-War Protest (pics)

[graywalker]

I'm sure they would say that if you are one, then you are the other. They are good photos.

 

[nikonmojo]

If anything, I think we've spent too few resources and sent too few troops there. So if anything, we ought to have sent more troops, and should have been MORE aggressive in going after Omar and OBL.

Gee, I guess our military commanders don't know half as much as you.

Yes, we DID bring it on ourselves, but NO we didn't deserve it. It's obvious that American foreign policy, particularly with regard to Israel & the Palestinians, is responsible for having created much of the antipathy toward us in the region.

Gee, I didn't know everything was so rosy in Israel during the Clinton years.

As for "NO we didn't deserve it": nobody deserves what happened to us on 9-11.

Glad you at least recognize that point...

Our leaders shouldn't have gone about "fixing the intelligence" to support their case for war (see 'Downing St. Memo').

I'm sorry, I missed the credibility that was given to this "memo." I again submit that the stakes changed after 9-11. We couldn't afford to wait and see if a country with a proven history of possession of WMD and use of WMD's would use such weapons (or sell/give such weapons to organizations willing to use them).

And finally, we shouldn't have protected torturers at Guantanamo

"Torturers?" Are you kidding? You need to re-examine what torture is. Secondly, I don't think you'll find OBL, Saddam or other human WMD's punishing their "torturers" as has the US.

 

[AstroPax]

This soldier finds these "peace" lovers repugnant. They haven't a
clue. I'd like to know what, if anything other than fighting a
Republican administration, they believe is worth fighting for. I'd
like to know if, how, and to what extent they'd fight against any
threat to our nation (aside from their standard "Bush is that
threat" line of bull). Their is nothing patriotic about running
your mouth in the street. A right? Yes. Patriotic? Hell no.
Protest with your vote and put in another administration that will
sit idly by and watch as one terrorist attack after another takes
it toll (the Achille Lauro hijacking/murder, '93 WTC attack, US
embassy bombings in Africa, USS Cole attack, Iraqi assassination
plot against the first Pres. Bush in Kuwait '93, payments by Saddam
Hussein to families of homicide bombers in Israel, etc.). I would
remind you that "peace" is not merely the absence of war. I would
prefer to not have to fight wars but we've tried the Neville
Chamberlain approach for far too long. I prefer to seek and
destroy these scum BEFORE they fully materialize as a threat to my
family and even the families of these protesters who have the
luxury to live in such blissful ignorance.

 

[DPFranz]

Good coverage. You really got right in there! And I can see where
it could be kind of fun, in a masochistic sort of way. I guess I'd
at least wear shoes with good, strong tops!

It is a bit masochistic! I was wearing tennis shoes, so I got my toes stomped a bit, but I found the nasty, bickering, shouting environment fascinating. Cheers,

--
Dana Paul Franz
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'You are the master of the unspoken word; once it is out of your mouth, you are the slave.'

 

[srogouski]

"peace" rally. Gotta love those shoving, pushing "peace" lovers.
I bet you could just feel the peace and love in the air. Not!

Well, here's what the right-wing counterprotesters look like. Jeez. No wonder they hate George Clooney and Ben Affleck.

 

[srogouski]

It is a bit masochistic! I was wearing tennis shoes, so I got my
toes stomped a bit, but I found the nasty, bickering, shouting
environment fascinating. Cheers,

I see no bickering or shouting in your photos.

 

[knox]

Jim Baker, Swaggart, Falwell, the 700 club guy Pat Robertson (who wants to assasinate someone / remember what they said about 9/11?) . . . The Christian Coalition (who have admitted were behind getting Bush in office and has had Bush on their shows). THERE are some real paramounts of "morals / integrity / ethics and loyalty".

I couldn't help myself either.

Julio

--Oh...so let's take them to church, instead. Sorry, could not
help myself.
jdoyle

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[Tom Ingrassia]

Good grief, you think the president is dumb. I don't think you can be dumb and get through Harvard.

 

[Tom Ingrassia]

Well said is right!

 

[Tom Ingrassia]

Oh and Jesse Jckson, there is a real leader (not). What a horrible representative of African Americans.

 

[knox]

I hear you, though I still feel, it was a backhanded comment . . (your sentence regarding Hitler etc)

It (your point) could have easily been made without the "liberal" preface before Hitler and the like.
Anyway, again . . you did a nice job on the shots.

You did a nice job on the photos, but we didn't need the off handed
comparison to Hitler and the like . . . because some of us may be
"liberal". I said more then I meant to say here, but I am so sick
of those type comments (and this post). We all know what is going
to happen to this thread (with the Hitler and zealots c r a p
comment), as this is obviously not the place. . . so . . . I'm not
going to say anymore or answer anymore, but will say . . . Nice
photos! Lousy, 'prejudicial' comment! ("Hitler" etc.) . . . .
it's a shame you opened the door.

I never compared anyone to Hitler. Read my sentence - I only
invoked his name as an example of someone we all don't like, but
who nevertheless I would photograph. I am not arguing about what's
right or wrong about the people I photographed. They were simply
interesting, no more, no less.

Not all liberals are zealots. Some are. And there sure are plenty
of conservative freaks as well. Fonda took her protests to a level
that was not beyond her legal rights, but was definitely beyond
helpful. Again, though, I only mentioned those names as examples of
people whose actions I don't like, but who are still great photo
subjects.

--
Dana Paul Franz
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'You are the master of the unspoken word; once it is out of your
mouth, you are the slave.'

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[Loansharkx]

Yes, better to have a lack of foreign policy like the last President.

My neighbor's son came home for the holidays last Christmas and he was shocked at the media and reporting here. He couldn't believe that actual Americans were putting out the kinds of nonsensical stories that he was hearing. He wondered if reporters got lost and had somehow been reporting on some other war and not the one in Iraq.

By his account the reason they are using road side bombs was because every other kind of effort to engage our troops left the enemy wiped out.

He told me that he believed Sheehan was a crackpot loon and that her son volunteered for dangerous duty (not his original assignment) and that many soldiers believed her to be dishonoring the memory of her son and what he believed in. They see her as opportunistic and basically using her son's body for her own self interest.

To each their own I guess.

 

[srogouski]

many soldiers believed her to be dishonoring

the memory of her son and what he believed in. They see her as
opportunistic and basically using her son's body for her own self
interest.

To each their own I guess.

Really?

 

[Loansharkx]

That's the typical nonsense from the far left radical wing of the DNC.

You can basically lump their entire position on everything this way.

1 Bush is dumb
2 Conservatives are stupid
3 Christianity is to be attacked and ridiculed
4 Corporations are evil.
5 Oil companies are evil

6 Israel is illegitimate and the Palestinians (Whatever that is) are oppressed (Bet not one can tell me how the territory became "Occupied")
7 Terrorists are good guys

8 The Constitution means whatever they think it does, today only. Tomorrow it could mean something else.
9 You are greedy for wanting to keep your own money
10 They are not greedy for wanting to take it from you.

11 The only reason communism and socialism fail is that the "Right" people haven't been in charge.

Hope I didn't miss anything.

If you disagree with them or try to debate, the name calling starts.

Disagreement with any liberal position means you are either stupid, a racist, a right wing zealot or part of the Christian coalition.

Well we've covered most of it.

 

[Loansharkx]

I can buy a marine class A at the local Army Navy.

For a paid protest, you never know what will show up. Moveon.org is paying Sheehan's bills.

Maybe he was a real marine. Neither of us know for sure and certainly I wouldn't take anything at that protest for granted as being truthful. Either way, even if true, I wouldn't say that one marine is representative of them all. Every person has a right to their opinion.

Let's agree that we disagree.

 

[Loansharkx]

factually accurate though.

He had an adulterous affair - morality and loyalty.

Ethics - his coalition has come under scrutiny for falsification of tax records as well as paying a mistress as if she was an employee.

Integrity - He calls himself a reverend and a man of God, yet he is not what I would call a man of integrity.

Didn't help morality, loyalty to spouse, ethics, or integrity in Jesse's case.

Because ad hominem attacks are soooo relevant...

 

[mtclimberdude]

Peace protesters? I didnt see any. I saw a bunch of militant anti-bush, anti-war, anti-anything folks. They were near the ellipse and WA monument. We originally parked there, but figured since Ive got a "W" sticker on my Jeep, it would end up being vandalized. We drove down to the pro-soldier rally and the mood was much more positive. We got a lot of good photos, I was pleased to see G. Gordon Liddy and got a couple excellent shots of him. Peace protestor, sounds like an oxymoron.

Scott
Washington DC

 

[nikonmojo]

(can't refer to him with the affectionate "jarhead") has a clue? I see no Combat Action Ribbon on his uniform. I suspect he's one of the malcontents that joined the service for selfish reasons (college money, etc.) and not to serve his country. He's just trying to guarantee a discharge for misconduct so his coward rearend doesn't get sent to do what the real men and women of "The Corps" are doing. And yes, I can call him a coward. I served in the initial assault on Iraq. He's a coward.

 

[Loansharkx]

Yep, lots of idiots on both sides of the aisle.

We can point to all those that started up with the "America deserved what they got on 9-11" nonsense.

 

[Loansharkx]

Very well said.

We've gone from a generation that would "pay any price" and "Bear any burden" to a whole new radical generation that believes that every price is too high and any burden is too great.

It's truly sad.