Women and the new Kodaks...

Petteri Sulonen

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I have to say that if I was a woman, I would be offended by Kodak's marketing spiel. "The new EASYSHARE V-Series cameras make it incredibly simple to take and share videos and pictures, while being chic, fashionable and small enough to slip into the newest designer handbag." Plus more about it coming in "the season’s hottest colors -- Absolute Pink, Red Shimmer, Midnight Black and Silver Essence."

That's like something that's straight from the 1950's. Jeez!

Petteri
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Get real. This is an idiotic opinion, not unlike most I've read from you.

Your real target here is America. Kodak, an American company, is just a convenient middleman.

Take a hike.

And, BTW, if u were a woman, most men would be offended.
I have to say that if I was a woman, I would be offended by Kodak's
marketing spiel. "The new EASYSHARE V-Series cameras make it
incredibly simple to take and share videos and pictures, while
being chic, fashionable and small enough to slip into the newest
designer handbag." Plus more about it coming in "the season’s
hottest colors -- Absolute Pink, Red Shimmer, Midnight Black and
Silver Essence."

That's like something that's straight from the 1950's. Jeez!

Petteri
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I have to say too that this way of promoting is not what I would like to see from a company (no matter what country they are from).

This is an ancient stereotypical way of thinking
 
I work in Market Research and I dead set guarantee you there is a DEFINITE market out there for slim/chic/stylish cameras with form over function and the buyers are almost all Female.

It's chicken and the egg really ......... IMHO Kodak are reacting to demand not trying to create it or box women in.
 
Well, it would be a bit too long for a complete anthropological discussion now and here, but I can say that this is no chicken and egg thing.

There might be a market, but why don´t they just let the people decide whether they like that "stylish" cam instead of saying they know what women like and therefore implying it is for a woman. (by the way, promoting it as very easy to use in the same breath---there was news just a few weeks ago about that---is just an offend saying...women and technology just can´t come together).
I work in Market Research and I dead set guarantee you there is a
DEFINITE market out there for slim/chic/stylish cameras with form
over function and the buyers are almost all Female.

It's chicken and the egg really ......... IMHO Kodak are reacting
to demand not trying to create it or box women in.
 
Because they do, you ring 2,000 women appropriately randomly selected and ask them.

Simple.
 
I think it is brilliant marketing. All the women I know have bought their camera for its case colour. Not everyone is dribbling over technical details like many of the people on this forum.

Brian
 
The marketing startegy of Kodak is the same usad by other camera makers from long time ago. I remembered of several cameras designed for women like the Olympus Pen EE series, the Canon Demi and other half-frame simple-to-use cameras of the sixties. In the 80's and 90's several Poit&shot AF cameras have special version oriented to women. Actually there are several digicams that are marketed with women in mind, making them with several "fashion" colors like the Olympus Stylus Verve, Canon Powershot SD20, Panasonic Lumix FX-8, etc.. In Japan they are very popular and you can find a lot more cameras models with special color versions like Pink or purple.

I consider that is not bad to make cameras versions for non tech oriented womens (or men) in mind, but considering that a lot of women in these are more involved with technology, the press article of Kodak is not the best one. If you read the text of the the Kodak press article and change some words, you can have an ad of the 50's from General Electric or Oster!!!

In a resume I consider the cameras good, but the ad not.

Alvaro.

P.D. Kodak marketing strategy for women in the past was very good, because they are N°1 selling digicams to women in U.S.
 
please bear in mind that lots of people out there just are not techies or photo freaks like us ,they just want a simple camera that takes nice sharp trouble free shots of their friends ,relatives kids boyfriends ,girl friends etc places they have visited .My wife likes her "simple " Kodak but uses my 10D plus L lenses if I set it up for her ,charge the battery ,and download everything ,she is not stupid, just is not interested in the process of taking photographs only the result .Kodak are bang on
 
The black Canon XT is outselling the silver version -- I guess color does matter and not just to women! And I suppose it is a sign of a maturing section of the market.
 
Sorry chicks like color and fasion. Why do you thin the AREN"T represented in the sceinces and become primary scool teachers, social workers or psychotherapists instead? As Larry Summers, president of our finest insitution of higher learning, Harvard, said: Do the math. Cause chicks cain't. Simple.

So Kodak is spot on. Hot pink anyone?
 
I have to say that if I was a woman, I would be offended by Kodak's
marketing spiel. "The new EASYSHARE V-Series cameras make it
incredibly simple to take and share videos and pictures, while
being chic, fashionable and small enough to slip into the newest
designer handbag." Plus more about it coming in "the season’s
hottest colors -- Absolute Pink, Red Shimmer, Midnight Black and
Silver Essence."

That's like something that's straight from the 1950's. Jeez!

Petteri
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Jeez, straight from the centre-left textbook!

I have serious difficulties with what appear to me to be attempts to de-legitimise those who have an opposing point of view or attitude having any right to hold that.

Perhaps it is also pertinent that advertising neccessarily addresses averages - there is very little point in talking to a total minority, and so to one degree or another it will speak to a 'stereotype' - but it also appears to me that most of the difficulties with this originate rather in an attempt to replace one stereotype with another rather than difficulty with 'stereotype' as such - IOW this is rather more ideological and polemical than something which bears much analysis.

It is a little like those who decry 'stereotypiccl' pre-judgements based on appearance - take it from me, in the abscence of more information, such as a personal acquaintance with the people in question, if you see a group of young men in hoods approaching you in a dark alleyway, you are more likely to be in genuine danger than if you see a 60 year old lady, smartly dressed at noon in the high street!

Of course,she may be packing a gun, and be a paranoid schizophrenic, but your initial impulse was correct, and most of these cries of 'steriotypical thinking' are in fact an invitation to abandon all commonsense and to react rather on the basis of the common middle-class predjudices and perceptions of correct thinking in despite of everything your instincts are rtelling you to do.

More women than men are going to be attracted to colourful and conveniently sized cameras, whereas most although not all men may be more attracted to a more bulky, look I've got a new-toy look.

I find attempts to prevent people reacting honestly to these basic facts of their perception very controlling, and can assure you that many of us react just as stronglyo this as you do to what you perceive as disrespectful and sexist comments.
Sorry for the ramble!
Hope you are well, Petteri, if a little pink!
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Yup.

And a reminder to the unpersuaded, it is largely women, not men, who are mostly impressed by, assign value to, and wear shiney objects that have no practical value.

DeBeers would not be in business if this was not so.
 
usually find some of these "your little pretty head" type of remarks are highly distasteful, especially now that we are into the 21st century. Then again I am not anyone typical chic in any imaginationable form. Obviously, their marketing department had done some research and though it would sell a lot to a lot of fashion slaved women/girls... Well, I prefer graphite because it is strong and light, strong enough to hit any chauvenist p@# heads until they see the lights...do they have the graphite?
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I have to say that if I was a woman, I would be offended by Kodak's
marketing spiel. "The new EASYSHARE V-Series cameras make it
incredibly simple to take and share videos and pictures, while
being chic, fashionable and small enough to slip into the newest
designer handbag." Plus more about it coming in "the season’s
hottest colors -- Absolute Pink, Red Shimmer, Midnight Black and
Silver Essence."

That's like something that's straight from the 1950's. Jeez!

Petteri
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Petteri Sulonen wrote:
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That's like something that's straight from the 1950's. Jeez!

Petteri
Petteri,

Certainly you should know by now that all too many of the most responsive dpreview forum members are those who assure themselves that they are the gumdrop of social advancement...simply because they own a digital camera. :^)

You are exactly right about the retrogradeness of the ad. But it will be a long time before the local citizens of Boy's Town get anything that could be mistaken for a clue.

Nevertheless, keep on keepin the faith,

Ed

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