Photosig has tons of solid work

[Tim Johnstone]

What an odd question to ask. No, I don't still live with your mom. We seperated a few years back...

It would seem that you decided not to pursue your rather biased and wholly misleading claims regarding Photosig, then..? That's just splendid

 

[Tim Johnstone]

Sure it does. Then don't respond...

 

[Tim Johnstone]

Hilarious. You claim utter indifference and show a fair degree of contempt for a site you are clearly keen to avoid using, and yet you've invested far more time bashing it than I have defending it's good points.

How odd then that you make such a ridiculous statement when the evidence shows that you are the one displaying all the signs of an unhealthy obsession, while I merely object to the repetitive bullsh*t. Sorry, but I just don't like bullsh*t...

You're far more interested in the sound of your own voice, while I'm one of those unfortunate people who can't stand the injustice brought about by those whose desire to influence is stronger than their grasp on reality and the truth. I'm ashamed, but I'd sooner have my problem than yours, any day

As with Charles, I'd be delighted to give you the last word here. You need it far more than I do...

 

[Tim Johnstone]

Yes. I also contracted herpes and several strains of malaria while critiquing a shot of an elephant driving a greyhound bus through Queens....

Get a grip, will ya..?

 

[Wulfespirit]

That the best you can do? I'll take that as a concession. =)
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http://www.photoalberta.ca

 

[Robert Land]

I’m not for or against sig. I’ve seen some great photos there in the past and I’ve seen a lot of what I would call trash. I’ve been inspired as well as bored and disgusted with some of the photos. on both art and photo sig.

However, you’ve indicated in your posts that you really can’t define art so I’m not sure why you keep bashing the site other than the conformity issue. I agree with you on this simply because the insecure need a pat on the back and when they get it, they may never progress and explore their full potential.

I’m not really sticking up for photo or artsig, I’m merely pointing out the weakness you admittedly have by relying on the “thumbs up” issue. Everyone doesn’t have that problem but you bash the site because you do. Surprisingly enough, some of us can tell the difference between good and bad critiques.

Granted, you pointed out an important issue but let’s not dwell on it. Your dissatisfaction with the site keeps going back to the same old argument: thumbs up; thumbs down and some useless critiques by who knows who. Your comments lead everyone to believe that the site is destructive to a person’s growth in creative photography. I disagree.

I can’t imagine calling myself a photographer because I feel that anyone who does, should have skills far exceeding mine.

You’ll no doubt either snip my post to pieces in rebuttal or state: “not worth responding”. Wondering which you’ll choose.
Regards,
Robert

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Nothing more completely baffles one who is full of trick and duplicity, than straightforward and simple integrity in another - Charles Cales Colton

 

[Tim Johnstone]

I see. So yours is the voice of reason is it..? Uh huh...

Get off your pompous high horse and understand that my argument in defence of aspects of'Sig (which is detailed and available in this thread....assuming you can read it without assistance...), is as vaild and considered as the various attacks are misplaced and unnecessary. I didn't come here to "finish" anything, I came here to counter the misleading and peculiarly passionate attacks on what is essentially a decent (but not perfect) website.

I'm amused by your vigorous little rant, but before you preach to me with your anti-Sig predjudice firmly behind you, you should arm yourself with something other than sweeping statements and generalisations. Nothing I've said here could be considered misleading or unbalanced - I've been as honest and unbiased as possible, and my only motive has been to offer some balance to what is mostly resentful and vitriolic, rather than considered and rational.

Be a self-righteous individual by all means, but keep your lectures for those who appreciate them.

 

[Tim Johnstone]

For someone whose best isn't quite keeping me awake, I think that was pretty rich. At least the other guy appears capable of accessing some wit and intellect, despite his blind predjudices....

I'll pass thanks. It's just not "doing it" for me

 

[Wulfespirit]

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[Tim Johnstone]

Brilliant. You got me.....

 

[Petteri Sulonen]

I mostly got dumbed down. Or, rather, I started dumbing down myself: shooting pictures that would score thumbs on Photosig. It worked. However, at some point I realized that the pictures were starting to look more and more like everyone else's pictures, and less and less like my pictures, and I quit.

And I honestly can't think of a single thing that I actually learned from Photosig.

Petteri
--
Me on photography: [ http://www.prime-junta.tk/ ]
Me on politics: [ http://p-on-p.blogspot.com/ ]

 

[Petteri Sulonen]

(NT)

 

[Tim Johnstone]

I heard you got a little upset when people didn't treat your images with the reverence you thought they deserved....

Of course, that rumour is probably a complete lie, right..?

 

[Tim Johnstone]

There you go. Nothing, if not predictable...

Ooops, I've pinched the last word spot. Go on, you have it

 

[Petteri Sulonen]

Robert Land wrote:
[snip]

However, you’ve indicated in your posts that you really can’t
define art so I’m not sure why you keep bashing the site other than
the conformity issue. I agree with you on this simply because the
insecure need a pat on the back and when they get it, they may
never progress and explore their full potential.

The conformity issue is the only reason I dislike Photosig. It's the lab-rat reward/punishment thing. There really is nothing else.

I’m not really sticking up for photo or artsig, I’m merely pointing
out the weakness you admittedly have by relying on the “thumbs up”
issue. Everyone doesn’t have that problem but you bash the site
because you do. Surprisingly enough, some of us can tell the
difference between good and bad critiques.

Oh, some of us can. And, as I said, some of us do have a vision that's strong enough to withstand the lure of the tidbit and the electro-shock. However, most of us aren't. I'm not.

Granted, you pointed out an important issue but let’s not dwell on
it. Your dissatisfaction with the site keeps going back to the same
old argument: thumbs up; thumbs down and some useless critiques by
who knows who. Your comments lead everyone to believe that the site
is destructive to a person’s growth in creative photography. I
disagree.

But it is destructive to a person's growth in creative photography. All it takes is TU and TD -- reward and punishment, administered consistently and repeatedly. We are more like lab rats than most people like to admit, you see.

I can’t imagine calling myself a photographer because I feel that
anyone who does, should have skills far exceeding mine.
You’ll no doubt either snip my post to pieces in rebuttal or state:
“not worth responding”. Wondering which you’ll choose.

Photography is only partly about skills. Skills are an enabling factor. But in the end what counts is having something to say -- and that's what gets very effectively smothered by the tid-bits and electro-shocks.

Petteri
--
Me on photography: [ http://www.prime-junta.tk/ ]
Me on politics: [ http://p-on-p.blogspot.com/ ]

 

[Petteri Sulonen]

I heard you got a little upset when people didn't treat your images
with the reverence you thought they deserved....

Of course, that rumour is probably a complete lie, right..?

When? Where? Which images?

I really don't care how people treat my images. As long as they retain attribution, of course. [ http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by/1.0/fi/ ]

Petteri
--
Me on photography: [ http://www.prime-junta.tk/ ]
Me on politics: [ http://p-on-p.blogspot.com/ ]

 

[Tim Johnstone]

.....whereas now you're shooting some really original and inspirational images, right..?

I'm not attacking your work at all, but I think you should haul your ass back down from those clouds of delusion. Having looked through it, I see absolutely nothing that I haven't seen in the "mediocre" shots back at Photosig.

Whatever you did gain from leaving (and it certainly wasn't fulfillment), it didn't transform your photography into anything I'd describe as "great" or "inspirational" work.

 

[Tim Johnstone]

Dunno. Go back and check the forums if you really care....

 

[Petteri Sulonen]

.....whereas now you're shooting some really original and
inspirational images, right..?

I really don't know. However, I do know I'm shooting images that are more mine than before. Some people like them. Others find them indifferent. A few hate them. Nothing much has changed there, except perhaps the type of person who likes, dislikes, or ignores them.

I'm not attacking your work at all, but I think you should haul
your ass back down from those clouds of delusion. Having looked
through it, I see absolutely nothing that I haven't seen in the
"mediocre" shots back at Photosig.

Hm. The question is, is it my work, or your vision?

Whatever you did gain from leaving (and it certainly wasn't
fulfillment), it didn't transform your photography into anything
I'd describe as "great" or "inspirational" work.

It would've been a bit of a tall order to expect it to have done that. However, one thing that it did do was to free me to pursue the kind of stuff that I want to do. My enjoyment of photography has gone up immensely -- and in the end that's the only thing that counts, since I'm not making money off it.

Petteri
--
Me on photography: [ http://www.prime-junta.tk/ ]
Me on politics: [ http://p-on-p.blogspot.com/ ]

 

[Petteri Sulonen]

(NT)