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It's a fascinating question - why are the Canon users so threatened by the D2x?

Is it that they they're threatened by the possibility that a smaller sensor could outperform their flagship full frame?

Are they threatened by the lower pricing?

Are they threatened by the 6MP crop? An advancement that Canon didn't adopt first?

Fact is, they're threatened and they shouldn't be. Nikon and Canon can and should co-exist. Each are a better system because of the other.

I just wish they'd stop whinging everytime Nikon comes out and kicks a goal.

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bb.oz said:
It's a fascinating question - why are the Canon users so threatened
by the D2x?

Is it that they they're threatened by the possibility that a
smaller sensor could outperform their flagship full frame?
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I think this is the main sore point. Its actually more of a full frame vs 'Crop' issue if you ask me.

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They sure are an insecure lot. It's pathetic to watch how some will look for anything to say negative. They'll look for shots taken by folks as "test shots" and dissect them saying how bad the shots are when they are poorly taken to begin with. Now that folks who know how to shoot are taking and posting great images, you dont see or hear from them. They'll have one of their own "pros" do poorly taken test images, then beat their chests how Canon is still #1.

Funny yet sad to watch this poor measurebators who never post a shot, yet love to talk trash how great their gear is. The real pros use whatever they got and dont complain. I met a pro taking wedding shots, and had no clue about the specifics of her camera, just how to shoot.

They sure do seem quiet there now, bawhahahahaha.
bb.oz said:
It's a fascinating question - why are the Canon users so threatened
by the D2x?

Is it that they they're threatened by the possibility that a
smaller sensor could outperform their flagship full frame?

Are they threatened by the lower pricing?

Are they threatened by the 6MP crop? An advancement that Canon
didn't adopt first?

Fact is, they're threatened and they shouldn't be. Nikon and Canon
can and should co-exist. Each are a better system because of the
other.

I just wish they'd stop whinging everytime Nikon comes out and
kicks a goal.

bb.oz

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I also met a pro wedding photographer once, shooting and enjoying his 1D Mark II beyond word... so I asked him if it was worth switching. His answer really got me excited (that was way before the D2x announcement btw): "If you have even ONE Nikon pro lens, you should never switch, just wait and see what's coming up." After talking some more, he told me HE wouldn't switch from Nikon to his most beloved 1DMarkII even though he's clearly used to that camera.

My take on this is: don't blame the Canon shooters for being "threatened" by the D2x, mainly because those "threatened" by it aren't photographers. Just as people in the Nikon forum feeling threatened by the 20D or Rebel XT or whatever shouldn't be, but are. That's measurbating to the extreme.

People call buying the camera when it comes out "blind faith". Why ? because they can't afford it ? There's is no faith to be blinded, it's a tool, it's gonna be good. it might not be up to expectations, but it's still gonna be good. Take the D2x, it doesn't realistically allow the use of ISO 3200 and people expected clean 6400 !

So my point in the end is that both companies have similar quality camera, both sides are pushing the R&D beyond imagination and both forums have measurbators threatened by the opposing forum's camera equivalent (equivalent being the prime word here, both cameras are practically the same except price point).
Backdoctor said:
Funny yet sad to watch this poor measurebators who never post a
shot, yet love to talk trash how great their gear is. The real pros
use whatever they got and dont complain. I met a pro taking wedding
shots, and had no clue about the specifics of her camera, just how
to shoot.

They sure do seem quiet there now, bawhahahahaha.
bb.oz said:
It's a fascinating question - why are the Canon users so threatened
by the D2x?

Is it that they they're threatened by the possibility that a
smaller sensor could outperform their flagship full frame?

Are they threatened by the lower pricing?

Are they threatened by the 6MP crop? An advancement that Canon
didn't adopt first?

Fact is, they're threatened and they shouldn't be. Nikon and Canon
can and should co-exist. Each are a better system because of the
other.

I just wish they'd stop whinging everytime Nikon comes out and
kicks a goal.

bb.oz

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Harris

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http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
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Point well taken. I totally agree. However, both Cameras are equal until you get to the issue of price....A full$2900 ....less. And for me that is the bottom line.

Still waiting for the D200.....I really need that vertical grip.

-Robert
Marco Birri said:
My take on this is: don't blame the Canon shooters for being
"threatened" by the D2x, mainly because those "threatened" by it
aren't photographers. Just as people in the Nikon forum feeling
threatened by the 20D or Rebel XT or whatever shouldn't be, but
are. That's measurbating to the extreme.

People call buying the camera when it comes out "blind faith". Why
? because they can't afford it ? There's is no faith to be blinded,
it's a tool, it's gonna be good. it might not be up to
expectations, but it's still gonna be good. Take the D2x, it
doesn't realistically allow the use of ISO 3200 and people expected
clean 6400 !

So my point in the end is that both companies have similar quality
camera, both sides are pushing the R&D beyond imagination and both
forums have measurbators threatened by the opposing forum's camera
equivalent (equivalent being the prime word here, both cameras are
practically the same except price point).
Backdoctor said:
Funny yet sad to watch this poor measurebators who never post a
shot, yet love to talk trash how great their gear is. The real pros
use whatever they got and dont complain. I met a pro taking wedding
shots, and had no clue about the specifics of her camera, just how
to shoot.

They sure do seem quiet there now, bawhahahahaha.
bb.oz said:
It's a fascinating question - why are the Canon users so threatened
by the D2x?

Is it that they they're threatened by the possibility that a
smaller sensor could outperform their flagship full frame?

Are they threatened by the lower pricing?

Are they threatened by the 6MP crop? An advancement that Canon
didn't adopt first?

Fact is, they're threatened and they shouldn't be. Nikon and Canon
can and should co-exist. Each are a better system because of the
other.

I just wish they'd stop whinging everytime Nikon comes out and
kicks a goal.

bb.oz

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THIS IS WHY!
bb.oz said:
It's a fascinating question - why are the Canon users so threatened
by the D2x?

Is it that they they're threatened by the possibility that a
smaller sensor could outperform their flagship full frame?

Are they threatened by the lower pricing?

Are they threatened by the 6MP crop? An advancement that Canon
didn't adopt first?

Fact is, they're threatened and they shouldn't be. Nikon and Canon
can and should co-exist. Each are a better system because of the
other.

I just wish they'd stop whinging everytime Nikon comes out and
kicks a goal.

bb.oz

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Nice, but i don't get it. what do you mean?
rolex50 said:


THIS IS WHY!
bb.oz said:
It's a fascinating question - why are the Canon users so threatened
by the D2x?

Is it that they they're threatened by the possibility that a
smaller sensor could outperform their flagship full frame?

Are they threatened by the lower pricing?

Are they threatened by the 6MP crop? An advancement that Canon
didn't adopt first?

Fact is, they're threatened and they shouldn't be. Nikon and Canon
can and should co-exist. Each are a better system because of the
other.

I just wish they'd stop whinging everytime Nikon comes out and
kicks a goal.

bb.oz

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How would you feel if you plunked down $7000+ (1DsII) for a camera body and found that you could buy a different camera that you could get something producing images just as good if not better for $5000 (D2x)

or

How would you feel if you plunked down $4000+ (1DII) for a camera body and found that you could buy a different camera that you could get something producing images just as good if not better for $3000(D2Hs) or $2000 (D2H)

And then realized that the money you saved could be put towards buying a sharp, fast prime lens instead of having only enough to buy some cheap consumer lens that saddles the quality of your camera?

Seriously, they're all great cameras. Put one in the hands of any knowledgable, skilled photographer, and we will get great results (I still do with the D1H 2.74MP ... at least my target audience is impressed).

The different manufacturers make different systems with different features at different price points. There is really something for everyone out there, but the jealousy and brand loyalty that comes out in these forums is just each individual trying to rationalize in their own minds why in the world they spent so much money on what they have purchased.

The rest of us just go out there and find the right tool for the job and capture the image we want or our the image or clients want.

Think about it ... even SI accepts images from the D2H, D1x, and all the different Canon upgrades. So what is important is what the photographer can do with the camera, not what the camera can do for the photographer.

And for all the bragging about how great Canon or Nikon dSLRs are, the SI swimsuit issue is shot with medium format (at least that what it looks like to me) and even some of the images were OOF (at least on the magazine print). I didn't notice a $25000 digital back on the camera.

Mr. PictureMan
 
It is mostly gear-heads who probably don't even own DSLR camera's.
And most definitely do not use them for pro work or even advanced
amateur work.

Unfortunately there are a lot of people on these forums who are only
here to look for a fight. By answering their posts they win, they get
their thrills by provoking a response.

You will never hear a carpenter saying that their hammer is better
than the other guys hammer, and because of that the nails he drives
are straighter than the other guys. Tools are to be used!
 
Marco Birri said:
My take on this is: don't blame the Canon shooters for being
"threatened" by the D2x, mainly because those "threatened" by it
aren't photographers. Just as people in the Nikon forum feeling
threatened by the 20D or Rebel XT or whatever shouldn't be, but
are. That's measurbating to the extreme.

People call buying the camera when it comes out "blind faith". Why
? because they can't afford it ? There's is no faith to be blinded,
it's a tool, it's gonna be good. it might not be up to
expectations, but it's still gonna be good. Take the D2x, it
doesn't realistically allow the use of ISO 3200 and people expected
clean 6400 !

So my point in the end is that both companies have similar quality
camera, both sides are pushing the R&D beyond imagination and both
forums have measurbators threatened by the opposing forum's camera
equivalent (equivalent being the prime word here, both cameras are
practically the same except price point).
Backdoctor said:
Funny yet sad to watch this poor measurebators who never post a
shot, yet love to talk trash how great their gear is. The real pros
use whatever they got and dont complain. I met a pro taking wedding
shots, and had no clue about the specifics of her camera, just how
to shoot.

They sure do seem quiet there now, bawhahahahaha.
bb.oz said:
It's a fascinating question - why are the Canon users so threatened
by the D2x?

Is it that they they're threatened by the possibility that a
smaller sensor could outperform their flagship full frame?

Are they threatened by the lower pricing?

Are they threatened by the 6MP crop? An advancement that Canon
didn't adopt first?

Fact is, they're threatened and they shouldn't be. Nikon and Canon
can and should co-exist. Each are a better system because of the
other.

I just wish they'd stop whinging everytime Nikon comes out and
kicks a goal.

bb.oz

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Harris

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Egret Stalker #4, WSSA #29

http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
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Harris

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http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
I'm waiting for the first reviews off the Leica digital back. It ha "only" 10 MPixel but is full 16 bit! Wow! Dynanic Range!
 
... you've made a serious error by comparing D2h/hs shots with anything but the ancient and venerable 1D, which can be had for $1500 in very good shape. I think you'll find the order of ultimate image quality like this: D2h/1D/D2hs. Feel free to shuffle ... they aren't that different. That ain't bad for a 40 month old digital camera. It's still my main studio camera, as I wasn't too pleased with folks ordering 5 x 7 prints from 11mp 1Ds files!!

The 1D Mk. II is cleaner, and captures more detail, than any D2h model. Can it make prints of twice the area with comparable specific resolution? Nope ... but it's definitely better than the 1D Mk. I in many areas. I'm gonna also guess that five minute exposures are a bit more useful than those from the D2h.

The D2x and 1Ds Mk. II debate is still out for testing, with the D2x showing up very, very well. Canon needs some great ultra-wide glass that works well with digital sensors ... hey Canon, 12mm FF would do it! Nikon has very good UWA stuff already.
Ken
Mark Estrada said:
How would you feel if you plunked down $7000+ (1DsII) for a camera
body and found that you could buy a different camera that you could
get something producing images just as good if not better for $5000
(D2x)

or

How would you feel if you plunked down $4000+ (1DII) for a camera
body and found that you could buy a different camera that you could
get something producing images just as good if not better for
$3000(D2Hs) or $2000 (D2H)

And then realized that the money you saved could be put towards
buying a sharp, fast prime lens instead of having only enough to
buy some cheap consumer lens that saddles the quality of your
camera?

Seriously, they're all great cameras. Put one in the hands of any
knowledgable, skilled photographer, and we will get great results
(I still do with the D1H 2.74MP ... at least my target audience is
impressed).

The different manufacturers make different systems with different
features at different price points. There is really something for
everyone out there, but the jealousy and brand loyalty that comes
out in these forums is just each individual trying to rationalize
in their own minds why in the world they spent so much money on
what they have purchased.

The rest of us just go out there and find the right tool for the
job and capture the image we want or our the image or clients want.

Think about it ... even SI accepts images from the D2H, D1x, and
all the different Canon upgrades. So what is important is what the
photographer can do with the camera, not what the camera can do for
the photographer.

And for all the bragging about how great Canon or Nikon dSLRs are,
the SI swimsuit issue is shot with medium format (at least that
what it looks like to me) and even some of the images were OOF (at
least on the magazine print). I didn't notice a $25000 digital back
on the camera.

Mr. PictureMan
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Mark Estrada said:
How would you feel if you plunked down $7000+ (1DsII) for a camera
body and found that you could buy a different camera that you could
get something producing images just as good if not better for $5000
(D2x)
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If I had to turn down assignments 'cause I have no camera producing the results the client wants

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Volker Hett said:
nolt said:
Volker Hett said:
I'm waiting for the first reviews off the Leica digital back. It ha
"only" 10 MPixel but is full 16 bit! Wow! Dynanic Range!
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Dynamic range has little to do with precision of conversion.
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That's not precision, that's recorded data! Have a look at the MF
backs with true 16bit sampling.
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Sensor do not capture bits. It captures light. Dynamic range depends on how much light can be captured, and what in the noise level. Now, ADC converts that, and smoothness depends on the precision and quality of ADC.
Volker Hett said:
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No, it's really not a fascinating question. Nor is the whole "Nikon vs. Canon" attitude some people on this board take. It's just a way for you and whoever else is involved in the pointless little war of words to justify your own beliefs.

Over in the Canon forum there are probably threads like "Why do Nikon people insist the D2x is better - why are they so threatened?"

And my answer to both of your questions is that neither of you have anything better to do apparently. Arguing Canon vs. Nikon is like arguing politics or religion. Usually cliche, rarely pleasant and almost never informative. People like to claim they are "informing themselves" over these kinds of debates, which of course would be irritating if it weren't so funny that you can lie to yourselves so well.
bb.oz said:
It's a fascinating question - why are the Canon users so threatened
by the D2x?
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