D2h ore not to D2h?

[NRothschild]

There has been a lot of discussion on this because of the meter/af failures. Most of the fialures seem to be in the 201 - 202 series. The current numbers are running 204xxxx. I think there were some 203 failures reported (at least one) and most likely the 204 models are too new. I don't think anyone knows. Sorry, as far as I know it is all speculation.... you may want to review the threads.

Regards,
Neil

Anything special to look fore when buying?
Hi Serialnumber? Anything?

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[StillLearning]

Regards,
Neil

Anything special to look fore when buying?
Hi Serialnumber? Anything?

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Had a 2040xxx. Got a bad case of the 'flashing err' at about 100 clicks. Ritx camera let me use the display model 2032xxxx (had 262 clicks) for 4 weeks. Had no problems and switched it for a new one(?) (also 2032xxx). It turned out to have 2100+ clicks. I decided to keep the display model. They can't locate anymore new D2H(s). So you better buy a new one while you can before all thats left are the demos.

 

[Eric Ferro]

Inanola,

I have a D100, see my profile for all of my equipment. I love the lens that is supplied with the D70. In fact when I bought my D2H from Cameta camera through E-Bay I bought the camera with the 18-70 3.5-4.5 DX Lens, which IMHO is one of the best starter lenses you can buy for the price, Nikon sure knew what to offer as a kit with the D70, and I love it for my D100 and D2H also. I paid 2199 for my D2H and the Lens from Cameta camera on Ebay, All I can say is that my D100 has been on the shelf ever since my D2H arrived.

Eric

i'm so close to ordering my d70 kit from buydig but now i'm
thinking of upgrading for a little more. if i did, is the same kit
lens the d70 comes with a good starter lens or is there a better
all around lens by nikon for the d2h at about the same price?

 

[Dominique Dierick]

I would say, playing the devils advocate, to wait.

I took the time to have a look at your gallery. What I see there is excellent, and all taken with a D70. What would the D2h offer more that contributes to your photography, except for the speed (which you manage very well with the birds in flight already it seems ).

Do not forget that the D2h is discounted because it is end of series and made into a D2hs (be it that it is an excellent camera by what I have seen taken with it and read here over the last year, and I have been wrestling too if I would get one or not).

But nobody knows what the successor of the D100 will bring. All is still speculation. And if I may speculate as well, perhaps it is to the D2x what the F100 was to the F5? Who will tell..., certainly nobody on this forum really knows for sure. I would sit on the fence, enjoy the D70 and first have a look at that successor. Most likely it could arrive late this year or early next.

It will always be possible to get a D2h on the used market. Lot's of bodies around.

But as I said, I am only playing the devils advocate...

D.

Hi....
Am a proud owner of a D70. But The prices of the D2h is so low
in Norway now that this is interesting.(half of what it was!)
Shoot mostly landscape (and birds(in flight) +++++
Like the big wiewfinder and shorely need more focuspoints.
A little consernd about the 4m pix sensor.
Annybody her swithed from a d70? Pros and cons?

I have:
70-200 2.8 vr
24-120 vr
50 1.8D
12-24 sigma
Tc 1.7eII

http://www.kkm.smugmug.com

 

[Dominique Dierick]

If birds is your major thing, yes, but I noticed your gallery is balanced more than only birds. I don't think it will be sold out. Plenty available in Germany on Ebay I noticed..

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[D70Norway]

Thaks.... but not easy to get birds in flight with d70..even with the 70-200 ! looks like d2h fore me. if not sold out tomorrow

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[NRothschild]

Just peeked at your gallery.... I LIKE this one:



They are all excellent but the wings are just perfect on that one. What was the exposure? About 1/100 ?

The other poster did not realize you had to shoot 10,000 images to get each one you posted to the gallery

You will like the increased yield of the D2H. Shooting AF-C in focus priority makes life much easier, plus the various group dynamic options.

Regards,
Neil

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Neil

 

[Dominique Dierick]

Neil,

That was missing info to me. At 10,000 tries to get a sharp one, that means a D70 is indeed only able to take 10 sharp images of a bird before the shutter is end of life In that case i would get a D2h too. Damn birds

D.

They are all excellent but the wings are just perfect on that one.
What was the exposure? About 1/100 ?

The other poster did not realize you had to shoot 10,000 images to
get each one you posted to the gallery

You will like the increased yield of the D2H. Shooting AF-C in
focus priority makes life much easier, plus the various group
dynamic options.

Regards,
Neil

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Regards,
Neil

 

[NRothschild]

Jan, I agree that the 204 series is too new. I don't think they would "recall" them since it is not a safety issue. From the threads here, it seems they are seeing most of them over due course of time ))

Regards,
Neil

Jan

Regards,
Neil

Anything special to look fore when buying?
Hi Serialnumber? Anything?

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Regards,
Neil

Had a 2040xxx. Got a bad case of the 'flashing err' at about 100
clicks. Ritx camera let me use the display model 2032xxxx (had 262
clicks) for 4 weeks. Had no problems and switched it for a new
one(?) (also 2032xxx). It turned out to have 2100+ clicks. I
decided to keep the display model. They can't locate anymore new
D2H(s). So you better buy a new one while you can before all thats
left are the demos.

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Jan

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Regards,
Neil

 

[Jan Struyf]

Most failures happens after 6 to 12 months so far. Who says that the new 204xxxx are not affected by it?

I read on this forum from a guy that says that the failure was due to eprom (programmable chip) in a socket, when it pops out, the failure could expose itself. This also could explain that most failures came just after they firmware upgraded their camera. Why? If you re-program a chip and one of the contact is not 100%, you could have a problem.

Anyway this only affect maybe 1% of users anyway (just a guess). I can't imagin if more then 10% of the units are affected, that Nikon wouldn't recall all units for inspection.

Jan

Regards,
Neil

Anything special to look fore when buying?
Hi Serialnumber? Anything?

--
http://www.kkm.smugmug.com

--
Regards,
Neil

Had a 2040xxx. Got a bad case of the 'flashing err' at about 100
clicks. Ritx camera let me use the display model 2032xxxx (had 262
clicks) for 4 weeks. Had no problems and switched it for a new
one(?) (also 2032xxx). It turned out to have 2100+ clicks. I
decided to keep the display model. They can't locate anymore new
D2H(s). So you better buy a new one while you can before all thats
left are the demos.

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Jan

 

[D70Norway]

Sorry but the picture you reply to dont show!
Like the d70.. but everything has its limitasions.
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[NRothschild]

Try this:

http://kkm.smugmug.com/gallery/383369/1/15288841

It is image# 4 of 12 in Animals.

Regards,
Neil

Sorry but the picture you reply to dont show!
Like the d70.. but everything has its limitasions.
--
http://www.kkm.smugmug.com

--
Regards,
Neil

 

[NRothschild]

OK... I exaggerated. One in 5,000?



The yield can be very low, as in 5% or so. Since birds do not fly across the sky in exactly the right light on que, it can be very frustrating.

Regards,
Neil

That was missing info to me. At 10,000 tries to get a sharp one,
that means a D70 is indeed only able to take 10 sharp images of a
bird before the shutter is end of life In that case i would get
a D2h too. Damn birds

D.

They are all excellent but the wings are just perfect on that one.
What was the exposure? About 1/100 ?

The other poster did not realize you had to shoot 10,000 images to
get each one you posted to the gallery

You will like the increased yield of the D2H. Shooting AF-C in
focus priority makes life much easier, plus the various group
dynamic options.

Regards,
Neil

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http://www.kkm.smugmug.com

--
Regards,
Neil

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Regards,
Neil

 

[D70Norway]

http://kkm.smugmug.com/gallery/383369/1/15288841

It is image# 4 of 12 in Animals.

Regards,
Neil

Sorry but the picture you reply to dont show!
Like the d70.. but everything has its limitasions.
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Regards,
Neil

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[D70Norway]

Thanks everbody for ther reply...Time to go to bed her!
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[Bill T]

Go for it. You will love using it so much that your concern will quickly evaporate.

BillT

Hi....
Am a proud owner of a D70. But The prices of the D2h is so low
in Norway now that this is interesting.(half of what it was!)
Shoot mostly landscape (and birds(in flight) +++++
Like the big wiewfinder and shorely more focuspoints.
A little consernd about the 4m pix sensor.
Annybody her swithed from a d70? Pros and cons?

I have:
70-200 2.8 vr
24-120 vr
50 1.8D
12-24 sigma
Tc 1.7eII

http://www.kkm.smugmug.com

 

[Dan Wells]

My wildlife yield has gone up drammatically with the D2h (coming from a D70). Surprisingly,so has my yield for other types of shots-the D2h is just a great handling camera (the D70's not bad, but the D2h is something special).

-dan

 

[flashfenton]

Neil,

How do you find the picture quality compared to the D70? Is the D2H really that much better or are just trying to capture more shots?

http://kkm.smugmug.com/gallery/383369/1/15288841

It is image# 4 of 12 in Animals.

Regards,
Neil

Sorry but the picture you reply to dont show!
Like the d70.. but everything has its limitasions.
--
http://www.kkm.smugmug.com

--
Regards,
Neil

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Seeing Him is all I see...
D 7 0, 17-35 2.8 AFS, 24-85 AFS, 70-200 VR AFS, 60 2.8
Veni, Vedi, Snappi

 

[NRothschild]

I think they are both good and I have never measurebated it once I was satisfied that 4 mp would do the job. I got the D2H for the mechanics and it goes way beyond raw speed. The focus options such as AF-C focus priority and the various group dynamics options increase the yield tremendously. The Cam2000 is fantastic and you just stop worrying about focus. It has 11 AF sensors and the active sensor is the spot meter sensor. Nine of the sensors are full blown cross sensors. That means that when I have to focus and recompose, the adjustments are more minor and I don't have to worry as much about focus plane shifts. Spot metering is much easier and I am using it more than I do on the D70.

Also have and use AIS lenses and the ability to meter them is also important. I find used AIS lenses to be relatively cheap entertainment compared to more expensive AF lenses.

Any benefit in image quality is icing on the cake. I'm not as tuned into subtle imaging differences as others are. With all the PP I think the whole issue is very grey.

If I were primarily shooting landscapes, I would not have bought the camera. That is not a statement about the relative merits of the sensors. It is a statement of what I was looking for and what I think is worth the price of admission. I would have put the money into glass.

Regards,
Neil

http://kkm.smugmug.com/gallery/383369/1/15288841

It is image# 4 of 12 in Animals.

Regards,
Neil

Sorry but the picture you reply to dont show!
Like the d70.. but everything has its limitasions.
--
http://www.kkm.smugmug.com

--
Regards,
Neil

--
Seeing Him is all I see...
D 7 0, 17-35 2.8 AFS, 24-85 AFS, 70-200 VR AFS, 60 2.8
Veni, Vedi, Snappi

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Regards,
Neil

 

[RomanJohnston]

I did......I love my D70......and absolutly obsessed with my D2H.

Not gonna get rid of my D70 just yet...maybe when I get my D2X....I think that I will use my D70 for static landscape shots....and my D2H for anything fast moving...general shooting etc.

I have to say.....owning the D2H has taught me a bt about my lesser focusing of the D70.......and the D2H is just a little under pixeled for super detailed duty...so the D70 will stay till the D2x comes to town for me.

But the D2H is such a joy to use.....it becomes transperant in use....kinda steps out of the way to let you concentrate on photography.

Roman

http://www.pbase.com/romansphotos/

http://www.romanjohnston.com