ennacac
Senior Member
Here is a scan from my dedicated film scanner from 35mm negative film.
Tom
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Scanner vs *IstDS
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ennacac
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I had to reduce the resolution to 25% of the original for it to fit on this fourm.
Tom
You can certainly see the grain of the film and the oversaturation of the red flowers.
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ennacac
Senior Member
All that goes away with slide film.
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Godfrey
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It shouldn't be there from negative film either, if you set up your scanner right and then process the image properly!
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stefaan
Senior Member
above samples:
'proves' that for small web samples/pics any scanner may do fine.
I can only say that any epson flatbed result, compared against a good +4MP native digipic will pale when it comes to detail and 'default' sharpness.
This does not mean that I dislike my epson scanned slides.
An expensive dedicated film scanner may tell another story, but still
nothing (that I know off) beats +6MP DSLR pics (vs 35mm scans).
But does this mean I should stop shooting slides ?
No monitor (res.) that I can afford can (without zooming the pic) really show much difference anyway.
Bottom line: if you want digital, no question: Ds.
Only exceptions I can think of: maybe B/W, and slides of course (but who cares about those, besides me ?).
'proves' that for small web samples/pics any scanner may do fine.
I can only say that any epson flatbed result, compared against a good +4MP native digipic will pale when it comes to detail and 'default' sharpness.
This does not mean that I dislike my epson scanned slides.
An expensive dedicated film scanner may tell another story, but still
nothing (that I know off) beats +6MP DSLR pics (vs 35mm scans).
But does this mean I should stop shooting slides ?
No monitor (res.) that I can afford can (without zooming the pic) really show much difference anyway.
Bottom line: if you want digital, no question: Ds.
Only exceptions I can think of: maybe B/W, and slides of course (but who cares about those, besides me ?).
K1000Photographer
Veteran Member
The scans of the girlfriends look good but the bird is another story. I do not think we can say scanning is inferior due to one bad example, when we have good examples that show otherwise.
ennacac
Senior Member
It doesn't show up on the original file, but at 50MB it was a bit large to post to the forum and I expect all the sizing I did to make it fit has a lot to do with the grain showing. Also, the color was changed to match what the person I did the print for wanted and I was too lazy to re scann the file just to change the color.
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Todd Kindred
Active member
I actually deleted the photos of my ex-girlfriend in the first post because I chickened out but I will go ahead and show it. Here is one of Hong Kong too. I like the photos I have seen taken with the Pentax DSLR. That is not an issue. For me the scanner is buying me time. I would highly recommend it for the price.
K1000Photographer
Veteran Member
Xie Xie! Xin nien kaui le! Nice photo of Hong Kong!
Todd Kindred
Active member
Hey thanks. I will be back in Hong Kong in April. I hope to improve on my photos. Ultimately I would like to have a Pentax DSLR body with my film body, carry both and takes shots with both. But I'm guessing once I go to digital I won't use the film body that often.Xie Xie! Xin nien kaui le! Nice photo of Hong Kong!
K1000Photographer
Veteran Member
I noticed some noise in the photos, but you can download neatimage for free.
Todd Kindred
Active member
Hey thanks. I am checking the site out now. It's worth a try. I was using cheap 400 speed Fuji film from Wal-Mart in those photos. I am switching to Fuji Reala 100 speed film from now on. I think that is a big part of the problem. I am going to Paris this Friday and will be using that film plus some techniques I read up on. I believe the scanner is very capable and it is more the user, the film and technique. Just my opinion. So, what did you decide? Are you going to be getting the Pentax DSLR soon?
K1000Photographer
Veteran Member
I tried the *istDS out this weekend with my 50mm f2. Works great but they did not let me keep the photos I took in the store. I will get the scanner first to digitize my old film. Not too far in the future, I will get the DSLR. It will either be a *istDS or a new one they come up with. I already have a DX7590, which is a great P&S. It is well built, small, good ergonomics, good color, good metering but is criticized for the photos being "soft" at the standard setting. Sound familiar?
Todd Kindred
Active member
Sounds like a good idea. I really like the *istDS. I also checked one out at the camera store. Nice and compact and solid. As soon as I put it in my hand I had a big smile on my face. I am hoping Pentax makes an announcement at the PMA. That would go a long way in helping me decide my next move.I tried the *istDS out this weekend with my 50mm f2. Works great
but they did not let me keep the photos I took in the store. I will
get the scanner first to digitize my old film. Not too far in the
future, I will get the DSLR. It will either be a *istDS or a new
one they come up with. I already have a DX7590, which is a great
P&S. It is well built, small, good ergonomics, good color, good
metering but is criticized for the photos being "soft" at the
standard setting. Sound familiar?
I search PBase alot for Pentax photos. EDWARD LAI has alot of shots taken from many different cameras in and around Hong Kong. Some of his Pentax shots can be seen at
http://www.pbase.com/ed1215/maon_istds&page=1
Oh, the first shots I posted were using 100 speed film. The last two of my ex and Hong Kong were using 400 speed. I think that makes a big difference.
stefaan
Senior Member
I am also waiting for the PMA before actually getting the Ds.
But I am expecting more news from e.g. Canon cause the successor for the 300D is imminent.
Pentax, being only about 4 months in the running with the Ds, might get a hard time, if that proves to be the case.
I am hoping it will drive prices down for all 6MP DSLR's... again.
If Canon is going to surprise everyone again like it did 2 years ago (very likely), Pentax might have to speed up development of the successor to the Ds. Anyhow, I am not gonna wait that long.
But the only way Canon would get my money now would be with a DSLR of 8MP, SD, AA batteries, small and beautifull, anti-dust, anti-shake and of course dirt cheap (in other words... a DS II?).
But I am expecting more news from e.g. Canon cause the successor for the 300D is imminent.
Pentax, being only about 4 months in the running with the Ds, might get a hard time, if that proves to be the case.
I am hoping it will drive prices down for all 6MP DSLR's... again.
If Canon is going to surprise everyone again like it did 2 years ago (very likely), Pentax might have to speed up development of the successor to the Ds. Anyhow, I am not gonna wait that long.
But the only way Canon would get my money now would be with a DSLR of 8MP, SD, AA batteries, small and beautifull, anti-dust, anti-shake and of course dirt cheap (in other words... a DS II?).
K1000Photographer
Veteran Member
I do not think you will get close to getting all of those things for cheap. I would expect them to possibly make an 8MP Rebel with the cheap plastic body or a really cheap 6MP Rebel that is even more cheaply made.
I took a long look at the *istDS with the kit lens. It is very well executed. It does not have all the buzz words people look for, but it is designed better.
For example, people tell me the Nikon kit lens is better because it has ED. (It also says Nikon on it) I ask them if they know what ED glass is. They only know that it is "better". I tell them that if you do not use ED, they can easilly use a combination of a couple different kinds of glass to get the same results. Telescope makers have been doing this for centuries to get rid of chromatic aberations. The problem with Pentax, is they do not market their superior quality nor give big enough spiff's to compete with Nikon and Canon.
stefaan
Senior Member
K1000...
I agree. Pentax always had and still has great quality stuff.
That is why I only bought slrs from either Pentax or Nikon in the past.
Those manufacturers have 'quality' written all over their equipment.
The reason I am leaning towards Pentax Ds now is mainly the bulk/weight advantage of the Ds vs D70.
I always loved Nikon cameras & lenses, but the size and weight of the equipment (body + lenses) is superb with Pentax (some might surely feel the opposite to be true, depending on personal reasons and taste).
I agree. Pentax always had and still has great quality stuff.
That is why I only bought slrs from either Pentax or Nikon in the past.
Those manufacturers have 'quality' written all over their equipment.
The reason I am leaning towards Pentax Ds now is mainly the bulk/weight advantage of the Ds vs D70.
I always loved Nikon cameras & lenses, but the size and weight of the equipment (body + lenses) is superb with Pentax (some might surely feel the opposite to be true, depending on personal reasons and taste).
K1000Photographer
Veteran Member
After looking at comparison photos, I also have a lot more respect for the 18-55 kit lens. It was a lot better at wide angle than the Nikon ED kit lens.
I have a great 50mm already and would be onterested in more of the wide angle abilities.
Todd Kindred
Active member
I have more Epson scans. The first 9 shots are new scans using better film, Fuji Reala. When I upload PBase seems to add artifacts. I do not know why.
http://www.pbase.com/toddk/night
You can see the artifacts in this shot.
http://www.pbase.com/toddk/image/39882405
http://www.pbase.com/toddk/night
You can see the artifacts in this shot.
http://www.pbase.com/toddk/image/39882405
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