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I love Olympus cameras. Since the 70's I have used the OM system. I have tens of thousands of dollars tied up in their equipment, I love an OM2n with a winder and a 100mm f2....I have a 5000 dollar great white.....I still use them, my bag has an ompc (backup)........two om2's and several lenses... I carry all the time.....but I need to jump to digital in a big way.

The E1 is not to my liking....It's not up to Olympus standards (sue me..you guys......it's not!)....I cannot use any of my precious zuiko's with it, it's cumbersome, the controls are placed all wrong.........Canon and Nikon are whipping the sh** out of it in image quality. It's waaaaay too slow for the sports I shoot........I hate to say it.....it just burns me to the core to say it, but I am going to have to go to a Nikon or Canon full system of gear to do my job............everyone is passing me by....I have been secretly renting a d2H .........please Olympus, where is that innovative, groundbreaking company of the 70's and 80's???? give us a digital version of a now tired OM line.. a really good, rugged, pro digital that's got twice the image sharpness of the competition, and is a lot smaller and lighter.......easy to use quickly on the fly.........you did it before, your roots are in photography.......not copiers.

a 30 year loyalist
 
having had a pen F, OM1 and OM2 and also a slew of Minolta and Canon gear over the years, the E1 is quite in their mold. Innovative engineering where others are not going. They are the only company to scrape and make their DSLR on a whole new integrated design. Both Canon and Nikon are based on their 35mm systems with their attendent compromises (multiple zooms where E1 can use 1 for instance)

I have a Canon 1Ds and it does not have many compromises as you can use the whole canon lens line as they were designed. But the E1 has better mettering, flash, color balance, and weighs 1/2 as much (actually a tad less).

Not sure what's not to like on the ergonomics. You said you don't like where the controls are. To each their opinion. I have had the d30/D60 and now the 1Ds. The E1 is like the 1Ds and other high end DSLR's in that the controls you need to take pictures are dedicated on not buried in some menu. (like ISO)

I use the E1 now for most my shooting. The 1Ds I pull out when I need MF level resolution. The E1 does fine for 11x14 enlargements. The dynamic range of the sensor and the colors are very good. Better than I got/get on any of my canon gear. Not to mention I don't have to deal with dust which is a constant issue on the Canon.

Here is a size comparison most don't realize unless they have both systems:



On the left you have my 1Ds with 28-70mm L lens
On the right you have my E1 with 28-108 equivalant lens

Larger zoom range - closer focusing (near macro) - 1/2 the size and 1/2 the weight.

Looks innovative to me. Definately better to carry.

So, long term, as I get more 4/3rd's system lenses and the body technology follows moores law, which system will make more sense?

It's a silly question. If smaller gets you want you need at lower cost then it's a no brainer. It's the same equation that made MF displace view cameras and 35mm displace MF for most shooting. This trend will be even more true in the digital realm. The E1 is still a size you can hold still without being overly big.

You are cutting Olympus and the E1 short I'm afraid.
Nikonster said:
I love Olympus cameras. Since the 70's I have used the OM system.
I have tens of thousands of dollars tied up in their equipment, I
love an OM2n with a winder and a 100mm f2....I have a 5000 dollar
great white.....I still use them, my bag has an ompc
(backup)........two om2's and several lenses... I carry all the
time.....but I need to jump to digital in a big way.
The E1 is not to my liking....It's not up to Olympus standards
(sue me..you guys......it's not!)....I cannot use any of my
precious zuiko's with it, it's cumbersome, the controls are placed
all wrong.........Canon and Nikon are whipping the sh** out of it
in image quality. It's waaaaay too slow for the sports I
shoot........I hate to say it.....it just burns me to the core to
say it, but I am going to have to go to a Nikon or Canon full
system of gear to do my job............everyone is passing me
by....I have been secretly renting a d2H .........please Olympus,
where is that innovative, groundbreaking company of the 70's and
80's???? give us a digital version of a now tired OM line.. a
really good, rugged, pro digital that's got twice the image
sharpness of the competition, and is a lot smaller and
lighter.......easy to use quickly on the fly.........you did it
before, your roots are in photography.......not copiers.

a 30 year loyalist
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John Mason - Lafayette, IN
 
Well shukeedarns, Nikonster. Sorry to lose your loyalty to the family.The Don will be disappointed. We understand however. And you are still invited to my birthday party bash this Winter. You and your Canon digital. Even a Powershot or Sony will be permitted entry by my retainers.Just say "Four thirds" and you will get in. See you there .GS
Nikonster wrote
Nikonster said:
I love Olympus cameras. Since the 70's I have used the OM system.
I have tens of thousands of dollars tied up in their equipment, I
love an OM2n with a winder and a 100mm f2....I have a 5000 dollar
great white.....I still use them, my bag has an ompc
(backup)........two om2's and several lenses... I carry all the
time.....but I need to jump to digital in a big way.
The E1 is not to my liking....It's not up to Olympus standards
(sue me..you guys......it's not!)....I cannot use any of my
precious zuiko's with it, it's cumbersome, the controls are placed
all wrong.........Canon and Nikon are whipping the sh** out of it
in image quality. It's waaaaay too slow for the sports I
shoot........I hate to say it.....it just burns me to the core to
say it, but I am going to have to go to a Nikon or Canon full
system of gear to do my job............everyone is passing me
by....I have been secretly renting a d2H .........please Olympus,
where is that innovative, groundbreaking company of the 70's and
80's???? give us a digital version of a now tired OM line.. a
really good, rugged, pro digital that's got twice the image
sharpness of the competition, and is a lot smaller and
lighter.......easy to use quickly on the fly.........you did it
before, your roots are in photography.......not copiers.

a 30 year loyalist
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You said something about a microscope pen and sticky whatever to clean your 1Ds. What was that all about?

Also, thanks for your comparisons of the 1Ds & E1. It solidifies my choice to purchase the E1 system. I have a wedding shoot coming up next year in low-light, so I'll need a fast camera and a nice little flash system. I was told that the E1 could easily handle this and that my prosumer would not do what I needed it to do, which is to take multiple images when I want it to and have very little shutter lag. I know the D2H is the king of that realm, but I don't want to shoot 1,000 images, just get the kiss, ring, bouquet, and all that stuff. Did a wedding before as a backup and did a fine job, very creative non-traditional shots. The bride loved them. Anyway, looking forward to a smaller power camera that doesn't get dust gunk all over the CCD like my old DSLR did.
John Mason said:
I have a Canon 1Ds and it does not have many compromises as you can
use the whole canon lens line as they were designed. But the E1
has better mettering, flash, color balance, and weighs 1/2 as much
(actually a tad less).

Not sure what's not to like on the ergonomics. You said you don't
like where the controls are. To each their opinion. I have had
the d30/D60 and now the 1Ds. The E1 is like the 1Ds and other high
end DSLR's in that the controls you need to take pictures are
dedicated on not buried in some menu. (like ISO)

I use the E1 now for most my shooting. The 1Ds I pull out when I
need MF level resolution. The E1 does fine for 11x14 enlargements.
The dynamic range of the sensor and the colors are very good.
Better than I got/get on any of my canon gear. Not to mention I
don't have to deal with dust which is a constant issue on the Canon.

Here is a size comparison most don't realize unless they have both
systems:



On the left you have my 1Ds with 28-70mm L lens
On the right you have my E1 with 28-108 equivalant lens

Larger zoom range - closer focusing (near macro) - 1/2 the size and
1/2 the weight.

Looks innovative to me. Definately better to carry.

So, long term, as I get more 4/3rd's system lenses and the body
technology follows moores law, which system will make more sense?

It's a silly question. If smaller gets you want you need at lower
cost then it's a no brainer. It's the same equation that made MF
displace view cameras and 35mm displace MF for most shooting. This
trend will be even more true in the digital realm. The E1 is still
a size you can hold still without being overly big.

You are cutting Olympus and the E1 short I'm afraid.
Nikonster said:
I love Olympus cameras. Since the 70's I have used the OM system.
I have tens of thousands of dollars tied up in their equipment, I
love an OM2n with a winder and a 100mm f2....I have a 5000 dollar
great white.....I still use them, my bag has an ompc
(backup)........two om2's and several lenses... I carry all the
time.....but I need to jump to digital in a big way.
The E1 is not to my liking....It's not up to Olympus standards
(sue me..you guys......it's not!)....I cannot use any of my
precious zuiko's with it, it's cumbersome, the controls are placed
all wrong.........Canon and Nikon are whipping the sh** out of it
in image quality. It's waaaaay too slow for the sports I
shoot........I hate to say it.....it just burns me to the core to
say it, but I am going to have to go to a Nikon or Canon full
system of gear to do my job............everyone is passing me
by....I have been secretly renting a d2H .........please Olympus,
where is that innovative, groundbreaking company of the 70's and
80's???? give us a digital version of a now tired OM line.. a
really good, rugged, pro digital that's got twice the image
sharpness of the competition, and is a lot smaller and
lighter.......easy to use quickly on the fly.........you did it
before, your roots are in photography.......not copiers.

a 30 year loyalist
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--
John Mason - Lafayette, IN
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Nikonster said:
I love Olympus cameras. Since the 70's I have used the OM system.
I have tens of thousands of dollars tied up in their equipment, I
love an OM2n with a winder and a 100mm f2....I have a 5000 dollar
great white.....I still use them, my bag has an ompc
(backup)........two om2's and several lenses... I carry all the
time.....but I need to jump to digital in a big way.
The E1 is not to my liking....It's not up to Olympus standards
(sue me..you guys......it's not!)....I cannot use any of my
precious zuiko's with it, it's cumbersome, the controls are placed
all wrong.........Canon and Nikon are whipping the sh** out of it
in image quality. It's waaaaay too slow for the sports I
shoot........I hate to say it.....it just burns me to the core to
say it, but I am going to have to go to a Nikon or Canon full
system of gear to do my job............everyone is passing me
by....I have been secretly renting a d2H .........please Olympus,
where is that innovative, groundbreaking company of the 70's and
80's???? give us a digital version of a now tired OM line.. a
really good, rugged, pro digital that's got twice the image
sharpness of the competition, and is a lot smaller and
lighter.......easy to use quickly on the fly.........you did it
before, your roots are in photography.......not copiers.

a 30 year loyalist
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The problem you will face, no matter WHAT Olympus release in the next few months (leading up to PMA, say), is what is in your heart. Many here think that Olympus is currently doing "innovative,ground-breaking" stuff as you so badly want them to do.

Let me add this - I actually do not OWN an E-1. I also have an OM-2n with some lenses and have no real legacy lenses in the digital era. Sure, there is the 4/3's adaptor etc.

The legacy that I do have is in my heart - I too love my Olympus equipment. I happen to think that Olympus are on the right track for the future (this is my OPINION, you are entitled to yours). I still have the choice of buying Olympus again, Nikon or Canon - Minolta for that matter.

Before you jump the gun - wait - Photokina has not even opened yet and some of the companies are already stoking up the marketing for this ! Olympus will announce its products when Photokina is open - almost for sure.

ColesKing
 
The only thing we know coming out near term is the consumer version body.

Dang, you write just like Norman, I mean OMFan.

(Wow, I am really grumpy today...)
Nikonster said:
I love Olympus cameras. Since the 70's I have used the OM system.
I have tens of thousands of dollars tied up in their equipment, I
love an OM2n with a winder and a 100mm f2....I have a 5000 dollar
great white.....I still use them, my bag has an ompc
(backup)........two om2's and several lenses... I carry all the
time.....but I need to jump to digital in a big way.
The E1 is not to my liking....It's not up to Olympus standards
(sue me..you guys......it's not!)....I cannot use any of my
precious zuiko's with it, it's cumbersome, the controls are placed
all wrong.........Canon and Nikon are whipping the sh** out of it
in image quality. It's waaaaay too slow for the sports I
shoot........I hate to say it.....it just burns me to the core to
say it, but I am going to have to go to a Nikon or Canon full
system of gear to do my job............everyone is passing me
by....I have been secretly renting a d2H .........please Olympus,
where is that innovative, groundbreaking company of the 70's and
80's???? give us a digital version of a now tired OM line.. a
really good, rugged, pro digital that's got twice the image
sharpness of the competition, and is a lot smaller and
lighter.......easy to use quickly on the fly.........you did it
before, your roots are in photography.......not copiers.

a 30 year loyalist
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Nikonster said:
I am not a pro photographer, I am a recording engineer. I have been
taking snaps since the '60's, and have still refused to go digital,
I am just now considering a digital slr..... I liken it to
recording, for a long time I stuck with analog equipment, and
refused to go to digital, but alas, I relunctently did so as this
was my career and had to learn the technology, and now use it on a
daily basis to hone my craft. I am vital in creating beauty for
others.
As for photography... I still have thousands invested in
Rollieflex,Olympus, and Nikon equipment. I have a Bessler darkroom
set up, and I still enjoy the art. What attracted me to the lust
for my profession and lust for my hobby......was the art, and it
still is the reason I do what I do. Loving what you do is what is
important, not the technology, use but your creative mind, and let
the technology help you to achive. I bet that young feller that
took a thousand frames never snapped a single shot that is equal to
your experience, passion, and seasoned eye for balance, framing,
and composition.
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John Mason said:
I have a Canon 1Ds and it does not have many compromises as you can
use the whole canon lens line as they were designed. But the E1
has better mettering, flash, color balance, and weighs 1/2 as much
(actually a tad less).

Not sure what's not to like on the ergonomics. You said you don't
like where the controls are. To each their opinion. I have had
the d30/D60 and now the 1Ds. The E1 is like the 1Ds and other high
end DSLR's in that the controls you need to take pictures are
dedicated on not buried in some menu. (like ISO)

I use the E1 now for most my shooting. The 1Ds I pull out when I
need MF level resolution. The E1 does fine for 11x14 enlargements.
The dynamic range of the sensor and the colors are very good.
Better than I got/get on any of my canon gear. Not to mention I
don't have to deal with dust which is a constant issue on the Canon.

Here is a size comparison most don't realize unless they have both
systems:



On the left you have my 1Ds with 28-70mm L lens
On the right you have my E1 with 28-108 equivalant lens

Larger zoom range - closer focusing (near macro) - 1/2 the size and
1/2 the weight.

Looks innovative to me. Definately better to carry.

So, long term, as I get more 4/3rd's system lenses and the body
technology follows moores law, which system will make more sense?

It's a silly question. If smaller gets you want you need at lower
cost then it's a no brainer. It's the same equation that made MF
displace view cameras and 35mm displace MF for most shooting. This
trend will be even more true in the digital realm. The E1 is still
a size you can hold still without being overly big.

You are cutting Olympus and the E1 short I'm afraid.
Nikonster said:
I love Olympus cameras. Since the 70's I have used the OM system.
I have tens of thousands of dollars tied up in their equipment, I
love an OM2n with a winder and a 100mm f2....I have a 5000 dollar
great white.....I still use them, my bag has an ompc
(backup)........two om2's and several lenses... I carry all the
time.....but I need to jump to digital in a big way.
The E1 is not to my liking....It's not up to Olympus standards
(sue me..you guys......it's not!)....I cannot use any of my
precious zuiko's with it, it's cumbersome, the controls are placed
all wrong.........Canon and Nikon are whipping the sh** out of it
in image quality. It's waaaaay too slow for the sports I
shoot........I hate to say it.....it just burns me to the core to
say it, but I am going to have to go to a Nikon or Canon full
system of gear to do my job............everyone is passing me
by....I have been secretly renting a d2H .........please Olympus,
where is that innovative, groundbreaking company of the 70's and
80's???? give us a digital version of a now tired OM line.. a
really good, rugged, pro digital that's got twice the image
sharpness of the competition, and is a lot smaller and
lighter.......easy to use quickly on the fly.........you did it
before, your roots are in photography.......not copiers.

a 30 year loyalist
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John Mason - Lafayette, IN
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Good Shooting,
English Bob
 
Nikonster wrote:
Your nickname is already a give-away.
Nikonster said:
It's waaaaay too slow for the sports I
shoot.....
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Ah, that must be why you now use manual-focus gear from the eighties.
Nikonster said:
please Olympus,
where is that innovative, groundbreaking company of the 70's and
80's???? give us a digital version of a now tired OM line.. a
really good, rugged, pro digital that's got twice the image
sharpness of the competition, and is a lot smaller and
lighter.......easy to use quickly on the fly.........you did it
before, your roots are in photography.......
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You are describing the E-1 quite accurately here.

Lourens
 
What a bizarre stream of conciousness.

I'm not loyal to any camera brand. My first camera was a little, plastic Fujifilm compact which was just great - sharp lens, accurate metering and the rest up to you. My first SLR was a Nikon F-301 - just wonderful but it was stolen from my car after 2 years. By that time I was working as a junior press photographer and was heavily into Nikon gear (we had a 300/2.8 at work with an F-3/MD-4 combination, a 500/8 reflex, a 105mm Micro-Nikkor and sundry other items) but I made trhe mistake of handling a Contax and, as soon as I saw the strange, beautiful 'boke' I was hooked (it helped that the RTS III had just appeared offering the definite statement of an MF 35mm SLR). I got 2 167MTs from the 'states, a bunch of lenses and that was that until I moved on from photography to pastures new.

Then came digital. Like before, I bought a cheap Fujifilm compact which FAR exceeded any expectations I had of it, then onto a more advanced Fuji - the F601Z - which travels with me always to this day. I was waiting for a 'proper' DSLR to appear as I marvelled at the various pictures that were coming from the Canon D30s and Nikon D1s, then came the E-1 and it was the DSLR done RIGHT.

As many here know, you pick one up and you just know it's the camera for you. It's a photographer's camera, not a reviewers' one.

--
Adrian
 
Nikonster wrote:
Guess what he wrote...

Although I usually plead to leave trolls alone, if you've never seen one have a look at his post. A 24 carat troll!

Probably never held any camera in his hands.

Cheers!
--
Hans H. Siegrist
 
Nikonster said:
I love Olympus cameras. Since the 70's I have used the OM system.
I have tens of thousands of dollars tied up in their equipment, I
love an OM2n with a winder and a 100mm f2....I have a 5000 dollar
great white.....I still use them, my bag has an ompc
(backup)........two om2's and several lenses... I carry all the
time.....but I need to jump to digital in a big way.
The E1 is not to my liking....It's not up to Olympus standards
(sue me..you guys......it's not!)....I cannot use any of my
precious zuiko's with it,
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just try to use a Canon lens of the 70's on their EOS... stupid. The only slr-maker who makes this possible is Pentax - even Nikon has some lenses and some bodies that won't fit together any more.

it's cumbersome, the controls are placed
Nikonster said:
all wrong.........
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??? did you ever had one in your hands ? What's wrong with it ?

Canon and Nikon are whipping the sh** out of it
Nikonster said:
in image quality.
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You're telling this while you are saying that you only tried a D2H... Stupid. What is image quality ? Resolution, contrast, color - what is lacking with the E-1 ?

It's waaaaay too slow for the sports I
Nikonster said:
shoot........
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The E-1 is fast enough - even for fast motorbike-racing. So what is the sports shooting you cannot do with the E-1 ?

I hate to say it.....it just burns me to the core to
Nikonster said:
say it, but I am going to have to go to a Nikon or Canon full
system of gear to do my job............everyone is passing me
by....I have been secretly renting a d2H .........please Olympus,
where is that innovative, groundbreaking company of the 70's and
80's???? give us a digital version of a now tired OM line.. a
really good, rugged, pro digital that's got twice the image
sharpness of the competition,
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??? Olympus never had the goal of this, Leica and Zeiss had the top-of-the-line lenses. Twice the image sharpness ? Measured by what ? MP ? So YOU want a digital medium format slr !?!

and is a lot smaller and
Nikonster said:
lighter.......easy to use quickly on the fly.........you did it
before, your roots are in photography.......not copiers.
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No, but medical-optics, microscopes.... and Oly isn't the only one.
Nikonster said:
a 30 year loyalist
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--
:-) Paul
 
I love trolls. Since the 90's, I've been reading trolls on any forum that will allow them. I have tens of thousands of minutes tied up in reading trolls and the reactions they provoke.

This troll is not to my liking. The Canon and Nikon forums are whipping the out of you in troll quality. Why, the Oly forum residents actually want to discuss ways to get better photographs, not moan and groan on how to spend more money. Try something like - "my 20D can beat up your D70", even though the 20D isn't out yet, but that's the point of a troll - it has to be based on an unrealistic premise, like cameras that aren't out, or forum members who think great photos result from slightly better specs.

"Keeping up with the Joneses
Is killing me
It's just one more bad habit I was too blind to see"
 
Hans H. Siegrist said:
A 24 carat troll!
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C'mon: he's brass and cubic zirconia all the way, with rancid bait rehased from hundreds of other trolling efforts going back more than a year.

To be fair, it is only his third post in the DPReview forums; I suggest he review the archives and study the masters before he tries again.
 
Nikonster said:
a 30 year loyalist
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I too am a 30 year Olympus OM loyalist. I also have a "big white" Zuiko (350/2.8). I shot with an E10 to supplement film for a couple of years before making the switch to "the dark side" (aka Canon). I presently shoot with an EOS 10D and I bought a lens mount adapter that allows me to use my OM mount glass on the 10D (Kindai International is the lens mount adapter vendor). I would suggest you look that direction if you don't like the E1 offerings from Olympus. In general, Canon gear is less $ and has a much less "snooty" Pro Services organization. Sad but true....

Mike Veglia
http://www.motorsportvisions.com
 
BJL said:
Hans H. Siegrist said:
A 24 carat troll!
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C'mon: he's brass and cubic zirconia all the way, with rancid bait
rehased from hundreds of other trolling efforts going back more
than a year.

To be fair, it is only his third post in the DPReview forums; I
suggest he review the archives and study the masters before he
tries again.
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--
God is a comedian playing to an audience too afraid to laugh.
 
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