Welp.....finally decided I'm switching :o<

Joe Marques said:

20D said:

1. clearly people care, otherwise they wouldn't respond! LOL!!
Got to love the post that says "no one cares" - yet they post
anyway. Too funny.

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What's funnier is how you just join the forum recently as "20D" and
are in a NIKON forum defending Canon. What a biased gear geek.
Get a life

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I have a wonderful life, thank you. I don't think that I recently joined and am posting my opinion is funnier than the paranoia here. I guess everyone has there own sense of humor.
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Joe Marques said:

Most people aren't concerned with quality - that's why Sears can
sell portraits. My sarcasm was clear and if you were a mature
individual you'd admit that a D2H is more than capable of producing
stellar prints at 13x19. BTW, where can I see your work?

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EXACTLY! You are right, the D2H is the PERFECT Sears camera!! Never thought of it like that! Brilliant.

If you want to see my work, you have to pay just like everyone else. No freebies here.

I don't know what maturity has to do with admiting that the D2H can produce prints at the small size of 13x19. Heck, a coolpix can also do great 8x10s. 24x36 is were my money is.

Joe Marques said:

Joe Marques said:

3. When you see the specs on the new 1Ds M2, you will be glad that
you invested in Canon glass.

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Yeah, we should all invest in a camera system based on an
unreleased top model that will be owned by significantly less than
1% of all photographers. LOL!!!

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No - I am saying that SINCE you switched, you will be happy with what you will shortly see. I didn't say anyone should switch. Also it will be owned by less that 1% - but they will also be the really influential 1%.

Joe Marques said:

Joe Marques said:

good luck and happy shooting.

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Now that's where we can agree. I too wish here luck. As for you . . .

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oh, you are such a nasty boy. you disagree with someone and that is enough to earn your scorn. And people wonder why there is conflict in the mid east for so long!

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Joe

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personally, I think the issue here is not the camera, I think you should dump the fiance.

bb.oz

tony field said:

Michelle said:

I guess I was thinking too much of people.I've seen other posts
about people pondering switching also.

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I find it odd that some strangers' pondering should be a primary
driving force in you decision process...

The D1x is quite superb - particularly in 10MB mode it may well
outperform the yet-to-be-available 20D 8mpix camera in terms of
resolution and overall mechanical quality.

The 10D is somewhat less noisy than the D1x but not "significantly"
and the 20D may be even better (but current examples on the web do
not live up to Canon's advertising). After image processing in
Photoshop, I usually cannot tell the differences in total grain
between the Nikon and Canon cameras. Since I tend use high ISO, the
Canon and Nikon were visually the same for noise. In addition,
Canon noise has a different characteristic than Nikon noise -
generally, it is easier to remove Nikon noise because is is more
truly random and less splotchy than Canon's. Even the infamous
high ISO noise of the Nikon D2h is easier to reduce than the Canon
1D noise at 3200 ISO and certainly nicer than the 10D's rather
splotchy noise.

The D1x will focus rapidly and more accurately than your fiancé's
10D. Who knows how the 20D will perform in this area - you will
have to wait for complete test - preferably get one in your hands
since you will be the final judge. Canon's past performance in
focus reliability for their mid range cameras (D30, D60 and 10D)
has not been all that good and is certainly is inferior to the D100
and D70 and much more inferior to the D1x. The 20D is, I suspect,
one of canon's "mid range" dslr's. Is precision focus one of your
concerns?

On my D1x, I only get about 400-1000 shots per battery charge,
depending upon the age of the battery and if the venue is cold
(skating arena) or warm (outdoor summer). Is this type of
performance a reason to dismiss a camera system?

Yes, the 20D will be lighter - which may be of advantage to a
woman. I am a big guy and even so carrying two D1-series cameras
all day on an assignment is a little hard on the neck/shoulders.

If your fiancé's Canon system lens / accessory system is larger /
better than your Nikon system, there might be some reason to
switch. If your Nikon lens / accessory system is larger / better,
maybe he should consider the switch.

I am curious, why did your fiancé buy the 10D and you are now
contemplating a switch of your entire system? Maybe you should be
waiting for the D200 or D2x and have him switch to Nikon?

I suspect that the next couple of months will show which of the
these three "soon to be available" cameras is the best choice for
you.

As far as I can see, in any practical sense as a photographer, the
only advantage of the 20D is the lower weight compared to the D1x.

Be practical about this consideration to switch. Both camera
systems are excellent.

tony
http://members.shaw.ca/eclat

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Welcome to Canon!

Great news that you decided to switch, you'll be able to take advantage of the latest and greatest in today’s photography technology and not have to worry about equipment obsolescence any time soon.

Please let me welcome you to the Canon forums, come on over, enjoy and celebrate your new purchase. We have many wonderful folks over there that are willing to answer any questions or help with critique your photos.

Don't worry about your decision. Many of the world’s best photographers use Canon gear including best in the world belonging to Agency VII (including my favourite James Nachtway, awesome photographer and one of the best human beings on the planet!). Oh, and have you been watching the Olympics lately? I'd say about 99% of the photographers you see conversing this great event are shooting with Canon gear! I mean look at some of the pics posted of the photographers in Athens, one or two black lenses in a crowd of 50+, these guys & gals know what they are doing.

Anyhow, I'll see you in the Canon forums; I post in the 10D & 1DMK2 forum as I own both cameras, and take a peak in the Nikon forums once in a while to enjoy some of the great photography here too. Talk to you soon! And to anyone else who might be thinking of switching over. But most of all, remember that it’s not the gear but the photographer behind the camera, his/her mind, inspirations and creative energy that matter!

Take Care,

Michelle said:

After my fiance' told me all about the new Canon D20 I gave it some
thought and will be selling my D1x and all my lenses/accessories
and will be switching to Canon. He switched from Nikon to Canon
earlier this year after he had problems with his D100. I told him
he went to the dark side but now after seeing what Canon is coming
out with I see how behind Nikon is. I will sell the D1x, set the
money aside and use the D100 with my lenses till the 20d comes out
then I'll sell all my lenses at that point. I've been a Nikon user
since I first started photography in 1987 and feel a bit like a
traitor but Nikon needs to get up to snuff. I'm sorry to
switch....sorta

Michelle
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Michelle wrote:
If someone else

Michelle151727 said:

has a product that is better for me I'll buy it if I can and if it
makes sense to upgrade.

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You had an understanding of your needs, looked at the options and made a rationale decision

By not factoring in emotion and brand-loyalty you have angered people! LOL!!

Since your decision conflicted with the emotional views of others they got even more upset! (since you don't like my dog, you must not like me!)

Good luck - don't let this thread get to you. If anything it is pretty instructive and insightful.

Bookmark it and go back to it later for a good laugh.

"If the picture matters, the camera matters"

I agree with you Seb, but it is interesting to see how Nikon views it.

Seb D wrote:
But most of all, remember that it’s not the gear

Seb D said:

but the photographer behind the camera, his/her mind, inspirations
and creative energy that matter!

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Load Rubish - the best bang for the buck you can get in terms of landscape photography is Large or Medium format Film. As to equipment obsolescence it seems to me that these first DSLRs are getting obsolete pretty quickly....

A.

Seb D said:

Welcome to Canon!

Great news that you decided to switch, you'll be able to take
advantage of the latest and greatest in today’s photography
technology and not have to worry about equipment obsolescence any
time soon.

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Seb D said:

Welcome to Canon!

Great news that you decided to switch, you'll be able to take
advantage of the latest and greatest in today’s photography
technology and not have to worry about equipment obsolescence any
time soon.

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Michelle,

I agree with Seb, no one obsoletes their own equipment faster than Canon. Their marketing department will have you upgrading your Canon body before you figure out how to turn it on. I hope you're rich. A few years down the road you'll look that the 3 bodies you've gone through and realize your photographic skills haven't improved, and your pictures don't look any better, but you won't have to hang your head in obsolescent shame. And in the end, that’s all that really matters. (At least to Canon folks.)

Seb D said:

Please let me welcome you to the Canon forums, come on over, enjoy
and celebrate your new purchase. We have many wonderful folks over
there that are willing to answer any questions or help with
critique your photos.

Don't worry about your decision. Many of the world’s best
photographers use Canon gear including best in the world belonging
to Agency VII (including my favourite James Nachtway, awesome
photographer and one of the best human beings on the planet!). Oh,
and have you been watching the Olympics lately? I'd say about 99%
of the photographers you see conversing this great event are
shooting with Canon gear! I mean look at some of the pics posted of
the photographers in Athens, one or two black lenses in a crowd of
50+, these guys & gals know what they are doing.

Anyhow, I'll see you in the Canon forums; I post in the 10D & 1DMK2
forum as I own both cameras, and take a peak in the Nikon forums
once in a while to enjoy some of the great photography here too.
Talk to you soon! And to anyone else who might be thinking of
switching over. But most of all, remember that it’s not the gear
but the photographer behind the camera, his/her mind, inspirations
and creative energy that matter!

Take Care,

Michelle said:

After my fiance' told me all about the new Canon D20 I gave it some
thought and will be selling my D1x and all my lenses/accessories
and will be switching to Canon. He switched from Nikon to Canon
earlier this year after he had problems with his D100. I told him
he went to the dark side but now after seeing what Canon is coming
out with I see how behind Nikon is. I will sell the D1x, set the
money aside and use the D100 with my lenses till the 20d comes out
then I'll sell all my lenses at that point. I've been a Nikon user
since I first started photography in 1987 and feel a bit like a
traitor but Nikon needs to get up to snuff. I'm sorry to
switch....sorta

Michelle
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And I wondered what you think the switch will give you... I don't see one pic that can't be done with any of the DSLRs, most of them probably even with a digital compact.

If its just out of being a camera fanatic and out of curiosity, o.k., no problem for me, but I dont see any technical reasons.

BTW, the 20d has just been announced, Nikon as well will announce something in the next weeks and months.

But I guess you just want to switch because it excites you to go Canon - so go and do it.

Bernie

For me though the D2X is in my future. Nothing wrong with my D100 but looking forward to 12megapixels, etc, etc.

Actually mames no difference what camera you use but nice that Canon has some cool new stuff......enjoy it!

Michelle said:

After my fiance' told me all about the new Canon D20 I gave it some
thought and will be selling my D1x and all my lenses/accessories
and will be switching to Canon. He switched from Nikon to Canon
earlier this year after he had problems with his D100. I told him
he went to the dark side but now after seeing what Canon is coming
out with I see how behind Nikon is. I will sell the D1x, set the
money aside and use the D100 with my lenses till the 20d comes out
then I'll sell all my lenses at that point. I've been a Nikon user
since I first started photography in 1987 and feel a bit like a
traitor but Nikon needs to get up to snuff. I'm sorry to
switch....sorta

Michelle
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I have NEVER, not in 30 years, EVER sold, or traded in, any camera equipment for what I paid for it. I recently sold a Pentax 67 system at a huge loss, camera, ttl meter, 300mm, 200mm, 165mm, 2x convertor, and 105mm, all for 1500 dollars. FYI, the dealer offered 600 for the package in a trade for the D70. I still have the 55mm lens and will ebay that. My point is that I took about a 3500 dollar hit by selling it and the trade in value was an insult. Poor trade in values are one of the reasons that I won't trade away any more equipment and you may be over estimating how much you'll recieve for your equipment. It certainly won't pay for the new gear. By waiting 6 or 9 months, you will be able to take advantage of Nikon's counter to the 20D and won't have to sell one single lens, all you have to do is buy a body.

Your battery life issues I do understand. I have an F5 and it eats batteries and I am sure the D1 is much worse. Battery technology has made some huge gains and I am astounded by the life of the battery in my D70. Nikon's answer to the 20D will take advantage of the newer battery technology.

to the other brand? Doesn't it make infinitely more sense to make that announcement at their new camp? Every time this happens people get all upset. Happens every single time without fail. Michelle, are you that much of a newbie here, that you haven't seen this same scenario played over and over again? As an analogy, why don't you try going to a Corvette club meeting, and announcing that you are selling your Vette for the new, yet to be released, '05 Mustang. See what kind of reaction you get there. Same thing, isn't it? :-/

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Until I started reading these forum, I never thought there was so much emotional attachment to the cameras a photographer uses. Gee I've used several 35mm systems and I switched from Hassy to Rollei some years ago. And I've probably owned about 10 view cameras and a variety of lenses from Zeiss, Schneider and Rodenstock. I never once thought about any sort of loyalty to a brand or had any emotional attachment. I simply made choices about what gear would best suit my immediate needs.

A year ago I was using two Linhof view cameras, 12 lenses, a Rollei 6006 system (two bodies, 6 lenses, 5 backs), 5 Nikon film cameras with about a dozen lenses, specialized wide angle and panorama cameras. Plus a few other cameras. I bought a 1Ds in October and have shot one roll of film since then. I've sold most of the Nikon gear, all the Rollei gear, one view camera and a couple of view camera lenses. I'm still hanging on to the Technikardan and 10 lenses although I haven't used it and surely can part with some lenses. So I not only wasn't loyal to Nikon, but was disloyal to a few other brands too. So what?

The images I'm getting with the 1Ds are excellent. It is incredible that one camera can be so versatile, but if something else comes along that I feel will better suit me, I'll switch again. I don't remember any friends feeling slighted years ago when I stopped using Hasselblads. If they were happy with them, why should they care? It's the same here.

I think the reason people post that they are buying into or selling a specific camera is to get feedback on their choices or to state their reasons why a given camera or system might be superior for their specific needs. I generally assume these types of opinions benefit prospective purchasers. Isn't this the primary reason that there are camera forums?

Alan Goldstein

http://www.goldsteinphoto.com

AlanG SNIP> I bought a 1Ds in October and

AlanG said:

have shot one roll of film since then. I've sold most of the Nikon
gear, all the Rollei gear, one view camera and a couple of view
camera lenses. I'm still hanging on to the Technikardan and 10
lenses although I haven't used it and surely can part with some
lenses. So I not only wasn't loyal to Nikon, but was disloyal to a
few other brands too. So what?

The images I'm getting with the 1Ds are excellent. It is
incredible that one camera can be so versatile, but if something
else comes along that I feel will better suit me, I'll switch
again. > SNIP>
Alan Goldstein
http://www.goldsteinphoto.com

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Well-stated Alan. The very most obvious point is that Nikon currently manufactures no amera which is in the same exact class as the Canon EOS 1Ds. Nikon's stuck at 5.4 MP with the D1x. The higher-end fashion,advertising,commericial, editorial people,as well as veritable legions of landscape shooters and nature photographers have bought into the Canon 1Ds. Within the Canon system, the 1Ds is a reality for those that have the means and the need and the desire. Nikon is stil stuck at 1.5x FOV. Nikon can barely manufacture enough of its hot new lenses to supply actual demand. 17-55's are in limited supply. Thom Hogan cannot even get his 200-400 lens,despite being on a months-long waiting list. 12-24's were scarce as hen's teeth for some months.

You bought a Canon 1Ds. So did jamess Russell, Mastrionni,all those types of high-dollar,industry-leading type shooters whose work defines Vogue, Italian Vogue,Cosmopolitan,some of the biggest cosmetics and beauty product brands, etc. Nikon simply is not catering to the "serious", high-rez, studio with Art Director and stylists type of shooters. Michael Reichman's The Luminous Landscape website is virtually an all-Canon fan club and appreciation society, as is Fred Miranda's site. Among serious landscape users, Canon digital has been awarded a high place of prominence. Nikon is still stuck at 1.5x and half the megapixels, and the F-mounts wanna-be full frame cameras have been filled with failed product launches and cameras that are nowhere near as robust or as desirable as the 1Ds. In other words, Canon has emerged as a system with FF, 1.3x,and 1.6x cameras spanning the $8,000 to $859 price ranges. Canon has a machine for EVERYBODY ,from snapshooting hobbyist to budget-minded semi-pro's (20D,10D), to working PJ/event shooters (!D Mark II), to high-dollar commerical/nature/fashion/editorial shooters with the 1Ds.

Nikon used to be the 35mm SLR leader. I remember those days well. Canon is now the leader in Digital SLR's, with a model for every shooter. Nikon is missing some cameras, like the full-frame,rugged,robust 1Ds, or the 8-MP one-camera-paradigmn-finally-here 1D Mark II.Canon has ofered, and is offering what the MARKET says it WANTS. Nikon OTOH,is trying to TELL the market what it NEEDS. And customers thin k they know their business better than Nikon does. So, Nikon has lost,and continbues to bleed, a lot of users. Film is being abandoned for digital at a redcord pace. Canon is set up for this transitional period with a camera for every-body. Nikon makes you buy two cameras to do what one Canon can do a passable job at. Canon has stuff Nikon does not have, both body and lens wise. Fact.

I still shoot Nikons and Fujis and have Nikkor glass. But I might buy a 20D and two lenses, 17-40L and 70-200L IS USM, just to see if I like the Canon system. No need to abandon Nikon just yet, for me. But if you need to go Canon, I say, go Canon. It's just a camera. If you need a good,robust full-frame 11 megapixel camwera, where is the NIKON model to fill that need for you? I doesn't exist. No amount of wishing will make it so.

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Happy Shooting!
Derrel

This whole high tech digital thing has really turned me off.. I'm switching back to a Kodak Baby Brownie, its back to basics for me... The retro camera revolution has begun !!! We shall vaquish alll Photoshop users and those who wish to resist us with your pitiful toutings of megapixels and frames per second !!!! :- P

DEJ said:

Michelle said:

After my fiance' told me all about the new Canon D20 I gave it some
thought and will be selling my D1x and all my lenses/accessories
and will be switching to Canon. He switched from Nikon to Canon
earlier this year after he had problems with his D100. I told him
he went to the dark side but now after seeing what Canon is coming
out with I see how behind Nikon is. I will sell the D1x, set the
money aside and use the D100 with my lenses till the 20d comes out
then I'll sell all my lenses at that point. I've been a Nikon user
since I first started photography in 1987 and feel a bit like a
traitor but Nikon needs to get up to snuff. I'm sorry to
switch....sorta

Michelle
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Emphasis on think - as in you THINK she's a troll, well, she IS a troll, no thinking required. By the way, I'm switching too. From Budhism to Unitarian. The churches, while not nearly so inspiring, are a lot closer. Should I move to Asia, I'll switch back. And I won't have to sell my beliefs, cause they fit both.

hidalgo said:

Yes, I beleive that is what I said. Not sure quite what your point is?

Here is a definition of Troll:

http://www.wordiq.com/definition/Internet_troll

"On the Internet, troll is a slang term used to describe:

A post (on a newsgroup, or other forum) thought to be intended to
incite controversy or conflict or cause annoyance or offense.
A person who posts these."

Posting to a Nikon group that Nikon is not up to it and you are
switching to Canon looks like a Troll to me.,

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Er...it's not a fan club, and it's not here for lovers of Nikon?Canon or whatever - the site is here for discussion of photography and the technical aspects of cameras.

It would be pretty boring if all that were allowed were unfailingly positive opinions!

Now note that I get pretty bored by people who repeatedly post some particular issue with a camera or repeatedly knock, but Micelle just said that she was changing and politely gave her reasons - once.
So she is not allowed to do that?
So all that are allowed are fan-club members?

Don't be so insecure, and don't try to dictate others use of the forums, as long as they are within the rules.

I suppose it is up to you if you wish to be impolite about it, but for goodness sake, why?

If she is still poting why she is leaving in a couple of weeks, fair enough, get after her - but posting once?

Steven S said:

to the other brand? Doesn't it make infinitely more sense to make
that announcement at their new camp? Every time this happens
people get all upset. Happens every single time without fail.
Michelle, are you that much of a newbie here, that you haven't seen
this same scenario played over and over again? As an analogy, why
don't you try going to a Corvette club meeting, and announcing that
you are selling your Vette for the new, yet to be released, '05
Mustang. See what kind of reaction you get there. Same thing, isn't
it? :-/

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Please see profile for equipment

And we have all dutifully given our feedback Alan!

LOL.

AlanG said:

I think the reason people post that they are buying into or selling
a specific camera is to get feedback on their choices or to state
their reasons why a given camera or system might be superior for
their specific needs. I generally assume these types of opinions
benefit prospective purchasers. Isn't this the primary reason that
there are camera forums?

Alan Goldstein

http://www.goldsteinphoto.com

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Seb D said:

Welcome to Canon!

Great news that you decided to switch, you'll be able to take
advantage of the latest and greatest in today’s photography
technology and not have to worry about equipment obsolescence any
time soon.

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What nonsense, Canon cameras are obsolete every few months, they are so busy marketing to suckers who always need to upgrade....
D30, D60, D10, D20.....and so on
Must cost big money to keep up with the Jones'es
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http://www.imagessouthafrica.co.za

David Martin said:

Steven S said:

to the other brand? Doesn't it make infinitely more sense to make
that announcement at their new camp? Every time this happens
people get all upset. Happens every single time without fail.
Michelle, are you that much of a newbie here, that you haven't seen
this same scenario played over and over again? As an analogy, why
don't you try going to a Corvette club meeting, and announcing that
you are selling your Vette for the new, yet to be released, '05
Mustang. See what kind of reaction you get there. Same thing, isn't
it? :-/

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http://www.pbase.com/sshyone

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