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I am new at all this so any help would be great. I have bought Tom Hogans book, Capture 4.1, ps cs, and Scott Kelby's book photoshop cs for didital photographers. I am still confused by some of the workflow. What I need to do is take my collection of D70 Photo's (kids, vacation, soccer, etc) to the local Frontier for 4x6 prints. I have about 300 pictures all shot in nef. What I am thinking of doing is seting sharpening to medium high and running batch processing. Also in the destination section of batch I am going to save in a new folder as jpeg's. Is there any other overall setting you would add to a large variety of pictures in capture. Is this a decent methed to get the photo's on paper quick. my wife is getting a tad upset as I read all my new material and she has nothing to show family. Also since the Frontier is my final destination is there any difference saving to jpeg vs tiff for a 4x6 print?
 
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I am new at all this so any help would be great. I have bought Tom
Hogans book, Capture 4.1, ps cs, and Scott Kelby's book photoshop
cs for didital photographers.
That collection is an excellent choice - so you have all the tools :-)
I am still confused by some of the
workflow.
Yes, it's initally hard - but gets easier with practice - most folk end up with a small number (4-6) of workflows targetted at specific functions (web, printing small, printing large, etc.)
What I need to do is take my collection of D70 Photo's
(kids, vacation, soccer, etc) to the local Frontier for 4x6 prints.
OK. So make sure they use the sRGB color space.

Try the simple approach (for now) - but a later twaek is to use a Frontier printer profile, too - you should get better (more accurate and predictable) results that way.
I have about 300 pictures all shot in nef.
Good start (NEF).

Now, were they all shot under the same lighting conditions?

(If yes, use the same WhiteBalance for all; If no, you'll either need to change WB for the different batches, or, if you used a good in-camera WB use the camera's setting)
What I am thinking of
doing is seting sharpening to medium high and running batch
processing.
You don't say which len(es) you use - sharpening has three aspects: one to overcome the camera's anti-alias filter, two to cope with the lens, three for the final usage ("purpose") eg web, print, etc.

In Nikon Capture, for the batch run:

In the "Advanced Raw" tool, set "sharpening" to "none" (always! Yes, really!)

In the "USM" tool, try using 65,5,4 as the sharpening settings

(I'm assuming a medium-sharp lens, for a very sharp lens, use lower values than 65, eg for a 70-200 try 45. Conversely for a less sharp lens try higher values than 65, such as 75 or even 80)
Also in the destination section of batch I am going to
save in a new folder as jpeg's.
I would use NC in batch mode to run from NEf to TIFF (8-bit) - then run PhotoShop in it's batch mode (File/Automate) to run an action which does the final processing - final sharpening for printing, making sure the color space is sRGB, and finally saving as a JPG file each photo.
Is there any other overall setting
you would add to a large variety of pictures in capture.
For sharpening, see my previous comments - other than that, you may need to tweak WhiteBalance and or exposure compensation if either were'nt nailed spot-on in-camera. (Even I (LoL) make mistakes from time to time ;-)
Is this a
decent methed to get the photo's on paper quick.
Yes!

For all my normal photos (ie no extremes, and the in-camera WB and exposure were pretty good) I do all my processin using NC/batch and PS/automate.

Simple just requiring a few mouse clicks and a couple cups of coffee.
my wife is
getting a tad upset as I read all my new material and she has
nothing to show family.
Understandable - do print some for her - it will help!
Also since the Frontier is my final
destination is there any difference saving to jpeg vs tiff for a
4x6 print?
No, not if you do everything else well.

--
Cheers, Paul.
 
I am new at all this so any help would be great. I have bought Tom
Hogans book, Capture 4.1, ps cs, and Scott Kelby's book photoshop
cs for didital photographers. I am still confused by some of the
workflow. What I need to do is take my collection of D70 Photo's
(kids, vacation, soccer, etc) to the local Frontier for 4x6 prints.
I have about 300 pictures all shot in nef. What I am thinking of
doing is seting sharpening to medium high and running batch
processing. Also in the destination section of batch I am going to
save in a new folder as jpeg's. Is there any other overall setting
you would add to a large variety of pictures in capture. Is this a
decent methed to get the photo's on paper quick. my wife is
getting a tad upset as I read all my new material and she has
nothing to show family. Also since the Frontier is my final
destination is there any difference saving to jpeg vs tiff for a
4x6 print?
 
You have great feedback already. Only point I would add - every lab has different "default" settings, so be sure to experiment to ensure any tweaking by THAT lab doesn't surprise you.

Also - if I may add, in my experience many Frontiers are over sharpened. Test the one you choose AND if possible look for a Noritsu using the MLVA. This often creates a more film like appearance to photos than lasers. Just my 2 pennies worth ~
 
If you edit your images and get them just the way YOU like them, make certain you instruct them to turn off ALL corrections. My experience has been that the auto-correction (at least at the one Ritz I've tried) is unpredictable.

Bob Peters
I am new at all this so any help would be great. I have bought Tom
Hogans book, Capture 4.1, ps cs, and Scott Kelby's book photoshop
cs for didital photographers. I am still confused by some of the
workflow. What I need to do is take my collection of D70 Photo's
(kids, vacation, soccer, etc) to the local Frontier for 4x6 prints.
I have about 300 pictures all shot in nef. What I am thinking of
doing is seting sharpening to medium high and running batch
processing. Also in the destination section of batch I am going to
save in a new folder as jpeg's. Is there any other overall setting
you would add to a large variety of pictures in capture. Is this a
decent methed to get the photo's on paper quick. my wife is
getting a tad upset as I read all my new material and she has
nothing to show family. Also since the Frontier is my final
destination is there any difference saving to jpeg vs tiff for a
4x6 print?
 
In additon to the excellent suggestions already given, I'll share my own: Compared to inkjets, prints from the Frontier tend to be "flatter" looking -- less contrasty, so if an image already lacks contrast I usually boost it a bit in post processing first. Also the Frontier often tends to print darker than I like (even using a custom printer profile) so I use curves to lighten my files slightly as well. Your mileage may vary so I strongly suggest you have several different pics with varying lighting conditions/subject matter printed as 4x6's to see how they look before committing a larger print order to them.

Cassandra
--
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra/nikon_d70
 
I've seen that happen too. But most of the problems I've had boiled down to totally lost shadow detail on some images and not on others. And I don't see a pattern. However, once I began instructing them to disable all corrections I started getting pretty predictable prints. But even now, there are at least two images they can't print without hand-tuning: a red-orange door (the reesulting door is downright muddy) and another shot with orange-red poppies in the foreground (color shift relative to my Epson 1280).

Try asking them to disable corrections. That may save you the time and effort of adjusting the image for them.

Bob Peters
In additon to the excellent suggestions already given, I'll share
my own: Compared to inkjets, prints from the Frontier tend to be
"flatter" looking -- less contrasty, so if an image already lacks
contrast I usually boost it a bit in post processing first. Also
the Frontier often tends to print darker than I like (even using a
custom printer profile) so I use curves to lighten my files
slightly as well. Your mileage may vary so I strongly suggest you
have several different pics with varying lighting
conditions/subject matter printed as 4x6's to see how they look
before committing a larger print order to them.

Cassandra
--
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra/nikon_d70
 
Hi Bob,

They know not to use auto corrections on my files but I still get prints back that are too dark and muddy. However not on every single print, even in the same order. Some look very close to my on-screen proof while others aren't even close.

Cassandra
Try asking them to disable corrections. That may save you the time
and effort of adjusting the image for them.

Bob Peters
In additon to the excellent suggestions already given, I'll share
my own: Compared to inkjets, prints from the Frontier tend to be
"flatter" looking -- less contrasty, so if an image already lacks
contrast I usually boost it a bit in post processing first. Also
the Frontier often tends to print darker than I like (even using a
custom printer profile) so I use curves to lighten my files
slightly as well. Your mileage may vary so I strongly suggest you
have several different pics with varying lighting
conditions/subject matter printed as 4x6's to see how they look
before committing a larger print order to them.

Cassandra
--
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra/nikon_d70
--
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra/nikon_d70
 
And hello to you Cassandra,

Sometimes I've instructed tham to disable all corrections only to find later that the message got lost somewhere along the line. Fortunately I've never had them print a large order.

Oh, well.

Bob Peters
They know not to use auto corrections on my files but I still get
prints back that are too dark and muddy. However not on every
single print, even in the same order. Some look very close to my
on-screen proof while others aren't even close.

Cassandra
Try asking them to disable corrections. That may save you the time
and effort of adjusting the image for them.

Bob Peters
In additon to the excellent suggestions already given, I'll share
my own: Compared to inkjets, prints from the Frontier tend to be
"flatter" looking -- less contrasty, so if an image already lacks
contrast I usually boost it a bit in post processing first. Also
the Frontier often tends to print darker than I like (even using a
custom printer profile) so I use curves to lighten my files
slightly as well. Your mileage may vary so I strongly suggest you
have several different pics with varying lighting
conditions/subject matter printed as 4x6's to see how they look
before committing a larger print order to them.

Cassandra
--
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra/nikon_d70
--
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra/nikon_d70
 
Perhaps that's what happened, but I can't imagine them printing my files which use their custom printer profile and make further corrections. I'm having some of mine redone next time I'm up there so I'll ask then.

Cassandra
Sometimes I've instructed tham to disable all corrections only to
find later that the message got lost somewhere along the line.
Fortunately I've never had them print a large order.

Oh, well.

Bob Peters
They know not to use auto corrections on my files but I still get
prints back that are too dark and muddy. However not on every
single print, even in the same order. Some look very close to my
on-screen proof while others aren't even close.

Cassandra
Try asking them to disable corrections. That may save you the time
and effort of adjusting the image for them.

Bob Peters
In additon to the excellent suggestions already given, I'll share
my own: Compared to inkjets, prints from the Frontier tend to be
"flatter" looking -- less contrasty, so if an image already lacks
contrast I usually boost it a bit in post processing first. Also
the Frontier often tends to print darker than I like (even using a
custom printer profile) so I use curves to lighten my files
slightly as well. Your mileage may vary so I strongly suggest you
have several different pics with varying lighting
conditions/subject matter printed as 4x6's to see how they look
before committing a larger print order to them.

Cassandra
--
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra/nikon_d70
--
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra/nikon_d70
--
http://www.pbase.com/cassandra/nikon_d70
 
You already got a lot of sound advice, but let me add something else based on my experience with minilabs:

1. The final print "appearance" depends on the light source aging and its calibration on a given moment, plus, the chemistry condition on a given moment, plus, the paper type the lab is using on a given moment.

These complex combination of factors, plus the fact that there are not two machines alike, (same brand, same model), makes custom profiles to be a very vague reference.

2. To check who is the best lab for you, look in the first place for a store owner or a minilab operator with a very strong customer service attitude.

Photofinishing is a cut-throat competitive business and the new breed of DSLR users is a new market segment that, though still amateur, is a lot more demanding than the regular snap-shooter they are used to.

3. Convert 10 to 15 of your NEF files to the highest quality JPEG, taking care to select conventional images. Meaning, not too hight contrast, very good exposure, most daylight and a few indoors with flash.
DO NOT MAKE ANY CORRECTION, just take the files as they came out from your D-70.

4. Take those files to as many minilab sites you have around. Ask them to turn off all corrections, INCLUDING sharpening.

5. Compare all the sets and choose the one that you like the most. Then,
use the prints in your choosen set to do a visual adjustment of you monitor.

6. Do all the processing you need to the original NEF files, save them as
highest quality JPEGs, and ALWAYS in the sRGB color space.

7. Take the files to the lab that printed the "best" set, and also give a second chance to the second "best". If either is able to keep a consistent quality along time, then you made a good choice.

Somebody mentioned that MLVA driven minilabs print more "photo look" prints. This is not exactly accurate as the print final look depends on the machine settings and a miriad of other factors.

I got excellent results from MLVA driven Noritsu minilabs series 27xx and 29xx with this print engine, but its technology is obsolete and these machine models are discontinued.

The newer machines use laser print engines and technically speaking, you cannot do anything better than this.

Photographic paper is the best printing media because of its continuous tone properties, and it's also the most unexpensive. To get the best results you'll need to do some shopping around and demand the quality you are looking for.

Today's minilabs, most well above a quarter of a million, are amazingly sophisticated and automated, but the final touch is quite a human factor thing.

Wish you good luck.

Steven
I am new at all this so any help would be great. I have bought Tom
Hogans book, Capture 4.1, ps cs, and Scott Kelby's book photoshop
cs for didital photographers. I am still confused by some of the
workflow. What I need to do is take my collection of D70 Photo's
(kids, vacation, soccer, etc) to the local Frontier for 4x6 prints.
I have about 300 pictures all shot in nef. What I am thinking of
doing is seting sharpening to medium high and running batch
processing. Also in the destination section of batch I am going to
save in a new folder as jpeg's. Is there any other overall setting
you would add to a large variety of pictures in capture. Is this a
decent methed to get the photo's on paper quick. my wife is
getting a tad upset as I read all my new material and she has
nothing to show family. Also since the Frontier is my final
destination is there any difference saving to jpeg vs tiff for a
4x6 print?
--
Steven, from Canada
 

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