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fvsimon said:
Amazon.com has it for pre-sale, US$649 and free shipping starting
Sept. 30.
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Oh thank goodness I thought there might be something fishey about the $750.00 estimate after seeing the the prices of the G6 and the the S70 from Canon. As usual Pentax goes for the middle of the road both in price and feature set.

Suddenly my credit card has become very hot.
 
http://img2.dpreview.com/gallery/canong6_samples1/originals/040711-1420-02.jpg

If you look at that G6 image you will see significant noise in the sky, where the light should be bright enough to make noise nearly non existant. I dont think Canon has Pentax licked in the quality department at all. I know the only way anyone will know for sure is owning both. The Pentax looks to have excellent image quality quite obviously IMO. I don't know what the rip is on it for noise, the noise is very low for a 7MP pro-sumer camera....
simkna said:
Alfisti said:
Ummm .. take a look at a full size shot of the girl on the bike
.... noise in her face is harsh.

I am very keen on this cam but i need to see independant shots.
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I agree. All those samples show lots of grain IMHO. Compare them
to sample images from the new Canon G6 (also 1 1/8" 7mp CCD)
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canong6/page11.asp (click images
to show full size orig.) and the difference is night and day. As a
Pentax and Canon user, I have no axe to grind either way, but I
would definitely say that Canon have got the O750Z licked on image
quality here.

S.
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Since the tiny Pentax Optio S50 can have a f/2.6 lens, why can't the larger Pentax 750Z have a lens faster than its present f/2.8?
lharris said:
Hi,

I have the D70, A2, 8700 and trusty V1.

My V1 is mint with about 10 MS. It is my most carried camera and I
have 4 batteries for it.

That said, the new Optio looks darn good and if anyone has
comparisions who gets a chance to use the new Optio 7 mp, I would
appreciate an e-mail.

It will be hard ti retire the V1 on EBay. It is like new and a
gem--but the
new Pentax caughtmy eye as I nearly bought the 555 a while back.

Thanks.

Linda
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I kind of agree too...

But mostly because, I think its ludicrous to go knocking this camera, and practically making up faults for it!! I mean, NONE of us have even touched it, and to say its bad in anyway, even looking at the few sample images posted, is REALLY jumping the gun a bit... I think it pays to keep a positive outlook on anything until a person has a sure idea of what exactly they are talking about. Otherwise, I do believe that the tendency to rip on a product before it is out reflects on a certain amount of immaturity in and of itself...

If you look at the images from the G6 full-size, you will see SIGNIFICANT noise in the SKY, which is sad.... Because the noise in the sky should be minimal, if non existant. It's well known that bright areas of a digital image have less noise, and shadowed areas have higher noise.

Also I think the Canon has a slightly worse case of CA. Something I've noticed in almost all the outdoor pics taken with it! The CA in the pentax 750 is present, but less noticeable than that from the G6.
 
mark30pwr said:
Since the tiny Pentax Optio S50 can have a f/2.6 lens, why can't
the larger Pentax 750Z have a lens faster than its present f/2.8?
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I'm no expert, but the S50 uses a 1/2.5" ccd, and the 750 has a 1/1.8" ccd, so the real focal length is smaller in the S50 when they are at the same 35equiv focal length.

The aperrtures are described in fractions of focal lengths so this must mean 2 things
  • it's easier to get a faster "notation" like f/2 with a small ccd
  • the f/2.6 of the S50 is still a smaller aperture than the f/2.8 of the 750 in physical terms
I could be way off here, please correct me if I am
 
I am not a conon oner or preacher ... i just noticed the noise on the pentax shot. The G6 has noise and CA actually.

I am interested int he Pentax so i hop eit is OK .. i wonde rif the AWFUL 555 menu has been iomproved?
istDuser said:
If you look at that G6 image you will see significant noise in the
sky, where the light should be bright enough to make noise nearly
non existant. I dont think Canon has Pentax licked in the quality
department at all. I know the only way anyone will know for sure
is owning both. The Pentax looks to have excellent image quality
quite obviously IMO. I don't know what the rip is on it for noise,
the noise is very low for a 7MP pro-sumer camera....
simkna said:
Alfisti said:
Ummm .. take a look at a full size shot of the girl on the bike
.... noise in her face is harsh.

I am very keen on this cam but i need to see independant shots.
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I agree. All those samples show lots of grain IMHO. Compare them
to sample images from the new Canon G6 (also 1 1/8" 7mp CCD)
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/canong6/page11.asp (click images
to show full size orig.) and the difference is night and day. As a
Pentax and Canon user, I have no axe to grind either way, but I
would definitely say that Canon have got the O750Z licked on image
quality here.

S.
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I am interested in replacing my canm but i love it' s230mm zoom. The C750 has what 188mm? If I crop 7mp to 3mp, what is my equivilent focal length??

Can i get a number for 4mp too please! thanks.
 
Ermac said:
fvsimon said:
Amazon.com has it for pre-sale, US$649 and free shipping starting
Sept. 30.
Click to expand...
Oh thank goodness I thought there might be something fishey about
the $750.00 estimate after seeing the the prices of the G6 and the
the S70 from Canon. As usual Pentax goes for the middle of the road
both in price and feature set.

Suddenly my credit card has become very hot.
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Yes, mine, too.

I was all set to get the Optio 555 (5x zoom/size of camera/quite decent output) but have been putting it off, and now since it's been discontinued, the price has skyrocketed, if you can find it at all. Can't find it much cheaper than US$540 after the Pentax rebate. I figure for another $100, I'll take the 750z ... I like its look, and the faux-leather rubber will make for a much firmer grip (I found the 555 a bit slippery), and I like the larger LCD and the swivel, also, I like the addition of the AF assist lamp. And I don't think the increase of 2MP will be a noise problem as I don't plan on making very many, if any, giant prints, mostly 4x6 or 8x12.

I'm not positive, but I believe that $750 is the MSLP. I think the street price at some vendors will be even lower than Amazon, which is not usually the lowest. I think we'll see it come down a little closer to $600. That's my guess/hope, anyway.
 
istDuser said:
http://img2.dpreview.com/gallery/canong6_samples1/originals/040711-1420-02.jpg

If you look at that G6 image you will see significant noise in the
sky, where the light should be bright enough to make noise nearly
non existant. I dont think Canon has Pentax licked in the quality
department at all. I know the only way anyone will know for sure
is owning both. The Pentax looks to have excellent image quality
quite obviously IMO. I don't know what the rip is on it for noise,
the noise is very low for a 7MP pro-sumer camera....
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AMEN!!
 
fvsimon said:
Ermac said:
fvsimon said:
Amazon.com has it for pre-sale, US$649 and free shipping starting
Sept. 30.
Click to expand...
Oh thank goodness I thought there might be something fishey about
the $750.00 estimate after seeing the the prices of the G6 and the
the S70 from Canon. As usual Pentax goes for the middle of the road
both in price and feature set.

Suddenly my credit card has become very hot.
Click to expand...
Yes, mine, too.
I was all set to get the Optio 555 (5x zoom/size of camera/quite
decent output) but have been putting it off, and now since it's
been discontinued, the price has skyrocketed, if you can find it at
all. Can't find it much cheaper than US$540 after the Pentax
rebate. I figure for another $100, I'll take the 750z ... I like
its look, and the faux-leather rubber will make for a much firmer
grip (I found the 555 a bit slippery), and I like the larger LCD
and the swivel, also, I like the addition of the AF assist lamp.
And I don't think the increase of 2MP will be a noise problem as I
don't plan on making very many, if any, giant prints, mostly 4x6 or
8x12.

I'm not positive, but I believe that $750 is the MSLP. I think the
street price at some vendors will be even lower than Amazon, which
is not usually the lowest. I think we'll see it come down a little
closer to $600. That's my guess/hope, anyway.
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$750 was, I believe, the price you get if you convert (pounds to dollars) the Brittish suggested list price. The press release on Steve's has always said the list price was $649.95.

-barry
 
Barry Margolius said:
$750 was, I believe, the price you get if you convert (pounds to
dollars) the Brittish suggested list price. The press release on
Steve's has always said the list price was $649.95.
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Even better ... then we should see a street price at $600 or below. Amazon often charges full list price for electronics.

Fred
 
Hi,

This is just a guess, but I suspect the new "V2" should
be announced pretty soon (This week?) towards the
Photonica show, and will have pretty much the same
features. I also suspect it will be cheaper (around 600$)
and if you like your V1 you'll probably like it successor.

Having said that, I also think the 750z looks great, but
it's a bit too expensive.

EAS_IL
 
I think the V2 (if it's coming) would lack these features found in the 750Z:
  • 5x zoom
  • high performance macro
  • swivelling lcd
  • compact size (not this compact at least)
The V2 would have these features lacking from the 750Z
  • laser assisted focusing
  • IR (Nightshot) mode for complete darkness
EAS_IL said:
EAS_IL wrote:
Hi,

This is just a guess, but I suspect the new "V2" should
be announced pretty soon (This week?) towards the
Photonica show, and will have pretty much the same
features. I also suspect it will be cheaper (around 600$)
and if you like your V1 you'll probably like it successor.

Having said that, I also think the 750z looks great, but
it's a bit too expensive.
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I dunno about the price. The V2 can't be much cheaper, maybe $50-100 tops?

--

 
I agree when it comes to the features, but believe
Sony will replace the 600$ V1 (Original price) with a
camera with the same price. I think it will be slightly
larger than the W1 and resemble it build. Sony shows
they're able to produce cheeper cameras than their
competitors. The V1 competed with the G5 & 5700
originally and was 100-150$ cheeper. I believe they
will keep that rule. Regarding image quality, the V1
was indeed good. Lets see if they can still compete
with the traditional camera manufacturers in the V2
(or X1?)

EAS_IL
Arn said:
  • 5x zoom
  • high performance macro
  • swivelling lcd
  • compact size (not this compact at least)
The V2 would have these features lacking from the 750Z
  • laser assisted focusing
  • IR (Nightshot) mode for complete darkness
Arn said:
EAS_IL wrote:
Hi,

This is just a guess, but I suspect the new "V2" should
be announced pretty soon (This week?) towards the
Photonica show, and will have pretty much the same
features. I also suspect it will be cheaper (around 600$)
and if you like your V1 you'll probably like it successor.

Having said that, I also think the 750z looks great, but
it's a bit too expensive.
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I dunno about the price. The V2 can't be much cheaper, maybe
$50-100 tops?

--

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Look at what Canon has done with its 7 MP
From http://www.dcresource.com

"If I just saw the photos taken by the G6 without knowing what camera they were from, I would've guessed that they came from a digital SLR -- they're that good. When I first heard of the G6 and its 7.1 Megapixel CCD I feared the worst: would images be noisy and full of purple fringing like the 8 Megapixel cameras from earlier this year? The answer is no. While images are a bit noisier than, say, the Digital Rebel, the G6 takes beautiful, "smooth" photos with accurate color and exposure. That smoothness does tend to soften details a bit on things like grass, though. I also noticed the occasional jagged edge, but overall, I'm really impressed. Canon has also done a good job at keeping purple fringing levels down."
andersf said:
andersf said:
Noise? Have you heard of technology pal? It has a habit of MOVING
FORWARD!
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Yeah, and there's also the laws of physics which have a habit of
not being circumvented by taiwanese engineers.
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The interesting thing with the 750, is that it doesn't have any natural contender. It's like a Canon PowerShot S70 with many features from the G6, in a Leica outfit.

It's too small to compete with the G6 (and that's why it doesn't have a socket for an external flash, it would be impossible to balance such a combination and one could also question if the tiny 750 could stand the weight of, say, AF360FGZ...).

I don't believe in a larger "prosumer" Optio serie, like G6 with socket for external flash etc, I believe Pentax will concentrate on DSLR's for that market. Making a small DSLR instead of a big digicam... Makes perfect sense to me!!!

About the wide-angle "problem"... I believe that Pentax are working on an Optio "W" serie. Say... Perhaps.... Optio W30 (3Mp) and W50 (5Mp) (or whatever it will be called), that would be quite likely. Pentax just needs to make the lens. Probably some sort of 28-90 or 28-100 (in 35mm figures).

I hope for Photokina, but I feel that PMA show in February is more possible.
lharris said:
Hi,

I have the D70, A2, 8700 and trusty V1.

My V1 is mint with about 10 MS. It is my most carried camera and I
have 4 batteries for it.

That said, the new Optio looks darn good and if anyone has
comparisions who gets a chance to use the new Optio 7 mp, I would
appreciate an e-mail.

It will be hard ti retire the V1 on EBay. It is like new and a
gem--but the
new Pentax caughtmy eye as I nearly bought the 555 a while back.

Thanks.

Linda
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The Optio S50 has 3x zoom, the new 750z has a 5x zoom. A longer zoom means a more complex optical construction and this reduces the amount of light that can pass through (the lens must be bigger, bigger lens elements, to have a faster aperture). Considering the big difference in focal lengths, I feel that the difference between f/2.6 and f/2.8 are very minor, quite impressive actually.
mark30pwr said:
lharris said:
Hi,

I have the D70, A2, 8700 and trusty V1.

My V1 is mint with about 10 MS. It is my most carried camera and I
have 4 batteries for it.

That said, the new Optio looks darn good and if anyone has
comparisions who gets a chance to use the new Optio 7 mp, I would
appreciate an e-mail.

It will be hard ti retire the V1 on EBay. It is like new and a
gem--but the
new Pentax caughtmy eye as I nearly bought the 555 a while back.

Thanks.

Linda
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I agree that the Pentax 750Z is a bit too expensive. I think that this camera will be a winner, but at a lower price point. I'm considering getting one, but only after the prices come down. In the meantime, my Canon S50 does the trick for me.
EAS_IL said:
Hi,

This is just a guess, but I suspect the new "V2" should
be announced pretty soon (This week?) towards the
Photonica show, and will have pretty much the same
features. I also suspect it will be cheaper (around 600$)
and if you like your V1 you'll probably like it successor.

Having said that, I also think the 750z looks great, but
it's a bit too expensive.

EAS_IL
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