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Regarding the price...

I think you would do well to compare the prices of similarly featured cameras. It is 7MP camera, and I believe it priced lower than the current crop of 8MP cameras.... So, perhaps it isnt all that overpriced?? Pentax has always had a habit of charging an arm and a leg for their quality products...
2boys said:
Laimis said:
I have a 555, and I like it. I always wanted a swivel LCD, and this
new camera has it. This feature for me is amazing.

Of course those who write/read here are at least a little aware of
digital photography and they know that 7MP from 5MP it's not a big
deal given there's a huge risk on noise. But most buyers just look
at these simple criteria: MP, Zoom, Camera size and price. So
Pentax is just staying on a market.

Most features cannot be discussed well untill full review or until
someone of us will have it on our hands.

Also, that retro style. Some say it's nice. Sorry, I don't like it
:~ Call me stick-in-the-mud, but I don' like it. I think Pentax
should release a 750Z's younger brother called some 755Z with
common modern style (for those who think like me).

As for me, so I guess I'll wait for next new model. I just don't
think it's worth moving from O555. By the way - it's damn expensive.

Laimis
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You got the point, but please read carefully...
Arn said:
Arn said:
cecile wrote:
Yes, hot shoe, 28mm, Compact flash TypeII, RAW, Converters, ...
Pls don´t get me wrong, I was just hoping to see how other
companies like Pentax would have managed to build a real prosumer.
I think they are doing a great job with in with their current cameras.
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This is an ultracompact, it's not supposed to have everything. Why
not just buy the Minolta A2 if you crave what you list here?

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I think the price for this and the 8MP cameras are excessive, unless you simply are not interested in a DSLR. $750 is getting to be DRebel territory. That's not as much DSLR as I want, but it's certainly more camera than this crop of prosumers.
istDuser said:
I think you would do well to compare the prices of similarly
featured cameras. It is 7MP camera, and I believe it priced lower
than the current crop of 8MP cameras.... So, perhaps it isnt all
that overpriced?? Pentax has always had a habit of charging an arm
and a leg for their quality products...
2boys said:
Laimis said:
I have a 555, and I like it. I always wanted a swivel LCD, and this
new camera has it. This feature for me is amazing.

Of course those who write/read here are at least a little aware of
digital photography and they know that 7MP from 5MP it's not a big
deal given there's a huge risk on noise. But most buyers just look
at these simple criteria: MP, Zoom, Camera size and price. So
Pentax is just staying on a market.

Most features cannot be discussed well untill full review or until
someone of us will have it on our hands.

Also, that retro style. Some say it's nice. Sorry, I don't like it
:~ Call me stick-in-the-mud, but I don' like it. I think Pentax
should release a 750Z's younger brother called some 755Z with
common modern style (for those who think like me).

As for me, so I guess I'll wait for next new model. I just don't
think it's worth moving from O555. By the way - it's damn expensive.

Laimis
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Steven Maniscalco
http://www.pbase.com/dazedgonebye
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Steven Maniscalco
http://www.pbase.com/dazedgonebye
 
I have a Canon S50 5 megapixel camera that produces outstanding images. I also have 1 gig of CF memory that goes along with it.

As a result, I'm in no rush to upgrade... so the right camera will have to come along at the right price (memory prices included).

With that said this Pentax does look interesting, but not at the list price.

It would also be a shame if I had to switch from CF memory and re-invest in another memory format, in this case SD. If I went 7 mp... I'd probably be wanting about 2 gigs of memory to go with it.
2boys said:
Laimis said:
I have a 555, and I like it. I always wanted a swivel LCD, and this
new camera has it. This feature for me is amazing.

Of course those who write/read here are at least a little aware of
digital photography and they know that 7MP from 5MP it's not a big
deal given there's a huge risk on noise. But most buyers just look
at these simple criteria: MP, Zoom, Camera size and price. So
Pentax is just staying on a market.

Most features cannot be discussed well untill full review or until
someone of us will have it on our hands.

Also, that retro style. Some say it's nice. Sorry, I don't like it
:~ Call me stick-in-the-mud, but I don' like it. I think Pentax
should release a 750Z's younger brother called some 755Z with
common modern style (for those who think like me).

As for me, so I guess I'll wait for next new model. I just don't
think it's worth moving from O555. By the way - it's damn expensive.

Laimis
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Steven Maniscalco
http://www.pbase.com/dazedgonebye
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The 750Z is popping up on the Swedish web stores I usually 'visit' - they all state that the 750Z comes with no memory card.

Actually I think this is a good idea. It's a waste of money and material. I've never used the 16MB SD that came with my O555 because I bought decent capacity cards along with the camera.

Personally, I think the initial price here (600 EUR or 740 USD) is attractive for anyone who happen to have a decent SD card laying around somewhere. Wouldn't mind upgrading to get the swivelling LCD. Going to look at in the stores when it arrives late September/early October...

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Lars Ugleberg
http://www.pbase.com/larugl
 
Ermac said:
Optio 750z Samples from Pentax Japan website.

http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/compact/optio750z/ex.html

they look pretty good to me.
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I only felt I needed to look at the watch one. If you look at the out of focus area in the top right corner you can see the noise. I'd say it was acceptable.

What is impressive is the sharpness and detail - look at the texture of the paper further down the right edge, and the edge detail on the watch where it is in sharp focus. The problem with small sensors packing lots of Pixels, is getting a lens (especially a zoom lens with a 5x ratio) to resolve details at least as small as the pixels. I suspect they're near the limits of what is acheivable, but it doesn't look like they've hit them yet.
 
Is it for sale already in Japan? And how much does/will it cost there?

Are the pentax cameras much cheaper there? As I know someone who goes there twice a year, I could ask him to bring one back...
James O'Neill said:
James O'Neill said:
Optio 750z Samples from Pentax Japan website.

http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/compact/optio750z/ex.html

they look pretty good to me.
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I only felt I needed to look at the watch one. If you look at the
out of focus area in the top right corner you can see the noise.
I'd say it was acceptable.

What is impressive is the sharpness and detail - look at the
texture of the paper further down the right edge, and the edge
detail on the watch where it is in sharp focus. The problem with
small sensors packing lots of Pixels, is getting a lens (especially
a zoom lens with a 5x ratio) to resolve details at least as small
as the pixels. I suspect they're near the limits of what is
acheivable, but it doesn't look like they've hit them yet.
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I don't know if it's for sale in Japan... possible I suppose. My concern is how easy (or not) it will be to get in the U.S. I had to order my Optio 555 off the net and I still haven't seen one in a camera shop to this day. Weird.
ed33 said:
James O'Neill said:
ed33 said:
Optio 750z Samples from Pentax Japan website.

http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/compact/optio750z/ex.html

they look pretty good to me.
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I only felt I needed to look at the watch one. If you look at the
out of focus area in the top right corner you can see the noise.
I'd say it was acceptable.

What is impressive is the sharpness and detail - look at the
texture of the paper further down the right edge, and the edge
detail on the watch where it is in sharp focus. The problem with
small sensors packing lots of Pixels, is getting a lens (especially
a zoom lens with a 5x ratio) to resolve details at least as small
as the pixels. I suspect they're near the limits of what is
acheivable, but it doesn't look like they've hit them yet.
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James O'Neill said:
James O'Neill said:
Optio 750z Samples from Pentax Japan website.

http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/compact/optio750z/ex.html

they look pretty good to me.
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I only felt I needed to look at the watch one. If you look at the
out of focus area in the top right corner you can see the noise.
I'd say it was acceptable.

What is impressive is the sharpness and detail - look at the
texture of the paper further down the right edge, and the edge
detail on the watch where it is in sharp focus. The problem with
small sensors packing lots of Pixels, is getting a lens (especially
a zoom lens with a 5x ratio) to resolve details at least as small
as the pixels. I suspect they're near the limits of what is
acheivable, but it doesn't look like they've hit them yet.
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I am not a big fan of cramming more pixels on smaller CCDs either but that is the way it is going to go, I like the results though. Chromatic Abborations (1 B or 2?) seem to be pretty well under control too.
 
Lars Ugleberg said:
The 750Z is popping up on the Swedish web stores I usually 'visit'
  • they all state that the 750Z comes with no memory card.
Actually I think this is a good idea. It's a waste of money and
material. I've never used the 16MB SD that came with my O555
because I bought decent capacity cards along with the camera.

Personally, I think the initial price here (600 EUR or 740 USD) is
attractive for anyone who happen to have a decent SD card laying
around somewhere. Wouldn't mind upgrading to get the swivelling
LCD. Going to look at in the stores when it arrives late
September/early October...

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Lars Ugleberg
http://www.pbase.com/larugl
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Agreed. Whenever they inlcude memory cards it's usually a pathetic 16 or 32Mb. Anything less than 256Mb is useless with a camera like this one.
 
Don't know if it's just me, but speaking strictly as an amateur here, those images look darned grainy to me.
James O'Neill said:
James O'Neill said:
Optio 750z Samples from Pentax Japan website.

http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/compact/optio750z/ex.html

they look pretty good to me.
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I only felt I needed to look at the watch one. If you look at the
out of focus area in the top right corner you can see the noise.
I'd say it was acceptable.

What is impressive is the sharpness and detail - look at the
texture of the paper further down the right edge, and the edge
detail on the watch where it is in sharp focus. The problem with
small sensors packing lots of Pixels, is getting a lens (especially
a zoom lens with a 5x ratio) to resolve details at least as small
as the pixels. I suspect they're near the limits of what is
acheivable, but it doesn't look like they've hit them yet.
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Here they are:

http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/compact/optio750z/ex.html

Brilliant photos, just as I thought - and only what you can expect from Pentax! Pentax rocks!

These pics give the stinking dirty lie to the pro-Canon jerks who yell noise, noise, noise. Well, the only 'noise' is coming from them! The noise of losers who cannot appreciate high quality photography and hide their ignorance by coming up with technical gobbledegook arguments about pixels.

Get a life Geeks!!
 
Hi,

Thanks for the links. I was going to buy an O555 about 6 months back but decided to hold out. I'm glad Pentax have release few new cameras and I wish them well with the new range. I have to say, I was disappointed to hear about the problems people were having with the O550 with regards to noise and lag, and Pentaxs' solution; just release a O555. I hope they have tested this camera out thoroughly so people are not disappointed should the 755 come out shortly.

Again, thanks for the links.

Gizmo
 
Mark LV -

So you're still at it. "Losers....jerks....geeks" You're like an ADD kid...you'll get attention, all right, but no respect! Take a hike!
Mark LV said:
Here they are:

http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/compact/optio750z/ex.html

Brilliant photos, just as I thought - and only what you can expect
from Pentax! Pentax rocks!

These pics give the stinking dirty lie to the pro-Canon jerks who
yell noise, noise, noise. Well, the only 'noise' is coming from
them! The noise of losers who cannot appreciate high quality
photography and hide their ignorance by coming up with technical
gobbledegook arguments about pixels.

Get a life Geeks!!
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opps, I misunderstood the info regarding the rotation feature. dunno if its auto. damnit Canon has it and its just so convenient! Not fair.. we should get it too :(
Lars Ugleberg said:
MarkKLC said:
It has the size and convenience of a 555, and several key features
I've been waiting for, such as auto-orientation, .......
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Are you sure it has auto-rotation? I read the specs in the press
release again, and it talks of image-rotation and resizing. Many
previous models also have this, for example the O555, which I use.
I have never tried any of these features, I keep forgetting to
rotate in-camera after having taken a picture. Plus the rotated
picture becomes too small in the already fairly small LCD when
rotated.

But I somehow doubt that the 750Z has a sensor that detects how the
camera is held when the picture is taken. Or am I wrong?
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'Fear is a darkroom where negatives develop'
 
Finally. I'd rather they spend the money painting a switch or 2 in chrome.

Seriously though, those 16MB cards are useless... you spend time switching to the 16MB card for a few extra photos and end up losing the 512MB one you just took out.

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'Fear is a darkroom where negatives develop'
 
Mark LV said:
http://www.digital.pentax.co.jp/ja/compact/optio750z/ex.html

Brilliant photos, just as I thought - and only what you can expect
from Pentax! Pentax rocks!

These pics give the stinking dirty lie to the pro-Canon jerks who
yell noise, noise, noise. Well, the only 'noise' is coming from
them! The noise of losers who cannot appreciate high quality
photography and hide their ignorance by coming up with technical
gobbledegook arguments about pixels.
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Not being a fanboy of any particular brand, I'd still wait with any judgements until we have pictures from an independent source. Everything looks great in marketing of course.

I still say that even if pentax have succeeded in keeping the noise level acceptable, I'd still prefer this model with a 5 megapixel sensor, simply because I know the noise level would have been even better with the same technology but with larger sensor pixels. That's not saying the noise levels are bad just becuase it's 7mp.

Most people (pro-canon or not) on the forum actually post polite and technically accurate comments in most cases. There are only a few posters who can't behave.
 
simkna said:
Don't know if it's just me, but speaking strictly as an amateur
here, those images look darned grainy to me.
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Considering all of those samples seem to be shot at ISO 80, yes they are quite grainy. My Phil type measurement on flat areas of a couple of those images indicates a noise spec (as per Phil) of over 2 on the medium grey increasing to about 2.7 in the shadow details. Considering that most of us find a spec of 3 to be the maximum just acceptable (noticable but not too objectionable) for viewing at monitor sizes with good down sampling interpolation, this indicates the camera will only produce acceptable images compared to the O555 at ISO 80 and 100 unless Noise Reduction is employed, which will reduce resolution to 5 MP type levels (or even less for ISO 400) anyway.

I also notice that Pentax have reduced default sharpenening yet again in order to achieve even this level of noise, but that I consider a good thing. With Low Sharpening, one may be even find the ISO 200 images acceptable after post processing without too much loss of fine detail/resolution.

We need images shot at ISO 200 and 400 to be able to form a better opinion.

Regards, GordonBGood
simkna said:
James O'Neill said:
I only felt I needed to look at the watch one. If you look at the
out of focus area in the top right corner you can see the noise.
I'd say it was acceptable.
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