Canon 20D link here

Jonathan F/2 · Aug 18, 2004

I have no problem with the Canon system. In fact I think it's better in a lot a ways. It's just with ergonomics, I find the Nikons are far better field cameras in terms of handling. The D2H is in my opinion the best handling camera so far.

I remember when I was taking an interactive design class, I was taught the less steps it takes the user to get to the information the better. That's how cameras should be designed!

bimmerman said:
Jonathan F/2 said:

Darren Chesnut said:

It must be said to day for Nikon to read all this talk about Canon
in this Nikon Forum. But they are the only one producing cameras
for the semi to pro users right now. I am tired as all are hearing
the rummors of the D2x.

Here it is. Look at this link for the Canon 20D.

http://www.pictureline.com/digital/dcameras/dcanon/eos20D.html

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Marco Nero · Aug 18, 2004

I followed a link to the Canon website last night (Australian Time) and they had the 20D listed with some high rez pics. They page was visible for about 4 hours before Canon pulled it down again. I guess they were in the process of testing all the weblinks or something. The link was posted in one of the Canon SLR forums. Needless to say, the 20D and the two new lenses were authentic (especially as they were listed on the Canon pages). Not sure what you folks think of it just yet but I'm curious to see what the Nikon users would make of the 20D since you'll likely be a bit more critical of it's shortcomings and that's usually where the more interesting opinions and observations lie.

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T3 · Aug 18, 2004

Anyone with half a brain who has spent any time with Canon SLR cameras can easily get acquainted with the Canon layout. It's not any better or any worse. It's just different. Although admittedly, the 1D series layout could use a refresh because it basically dates back to the 1V film days. At any rate, it hasn't hurt Canon much at all, as evidenced by this recent photo:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=9909928

And you can probably bet that not all those photographers started out with Canon.

Jonathan F/2 said:
I remember when I was taking an interactive design class, I was
taught the less steps it takes the user to get to the information
the better. That's how cameras should be designed!

bimmerman said:

Jonathan F/2 said:

Darren Chesnut said:

It must be said to day for Nikon to read all this talk about Canon
in this Nikon Forum. But they are the only one producing cameras
for the semi to pro users right now. I am tired as all are hearing
the rummors of the D2x.

Here it is. Look at this link for the Canon 20D.

http://www.pictureline.com/digital/dcameras/dcanon/eos20D.html

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Gavin Cato · Aug 18, 2004

you really have no life do you?

whenever theres a canon thread in a nikon forum, it must send your heart rate soaring, you love getting into them. you are a technophile, nothing more.

T3 said:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=9909928

And you can probably bet that not all those photographers started
out with Canon.

Jonathan F/2 said:

I remember when I was taking an interactive design class, I was
taught the less steps it takes the user to get to the information
the better. That's how cameras should be designed!

bimmerman said:

Jonathan F/2 said:

Darren Chesnut said:

It must be said to day for Nikon to read all this talk about Canon
in this Nikon Forum. But they are the only one producing cameras
for the semi to pro users right now. I am tired as all are hearing
the rummors of the D2x.

Here it is. Look at this link for the Canon 20D.

http://www.pictureline.com/digital/dcameras/dcanon/eos20D.html

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Gavin Cato · Aug 18, 2004

it's not bogus. i saw it last night on canons web page.

8.2mp
5fps
25 shot buffer
9point AF
comes with some sort of general zoom lens, though i forget the measurements

and there was a 10-22mm EF-S 3.5-4.5 lens listed on the page as well.

Hamstor said:
http://www.sdcard.be/Nederlands/store/viewitem.asp?idproduct=8979348

that page says 8.2MB in one spot, but a file size of 3072x2048 in
another (6MP), and $2300 euro...

I won't believe anything until I see it on the manufacturer's web
site or DPReviews news page....

Darren Chesnut said:

It must be said to day for Nikon to read all this talk about Canon
in this Nikon Forum. But they are the only one producing cameras
for the semi to pro users right now. I am tired as all are hearing
the rummors of the D2x.

Here it is. Look at this link for the Canon 20D.

http://www.pictureline.com/digital/dcameras/dcanon/eos20D.html

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The Krakken · Aug 18, 2004

Stop trying to pick a fight. Be better than that.

T3 said:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=9909928

And you can probably bet that not all those photographers started
out with Canon.

Jonathan F/2 said:

I remember when I was taking an interactive design class, I was
taught the less steps it takes the user to get to the information
the better. That's how cameras should be designed!

bimmerman said:

Jonathan F/2 said:

Darren Chesnut said:

It must be said to day for Nikon to read all this talk about Canon
in this Nikon Forum. But they are the only one producing cameras
for the semi to pro users right now. I am tired as all are hearing
the rummors of the D2x.

Here it is. Look at this link for the Canon 20D.

http://www.pictureline.com/digital/dcameras/dcanon/eos20D.html

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'Compare it to WHAT? To the D2H? Why?

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T3 · Aug 18, 2004

The Krakken said:
Stop trying to pick a fight. Be better than that.

As if "craptacular" is "better than that" and not worthy of your same admonishment. LOL

The Krakken · Aug 18, 2004

What matters more to you? What they do? Or what you do?

All I'm saying is that there is this lonely road, known as the high road, and sometimes its better to take it.

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The Krakken said:

Stop trying to pick a fight. Be better than that.

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As if "craptacular" is "better than that" and not worthy of your
same admonishment. LOL

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Negative287 · Aug 18, 2004

I can't verify the specs of the machine but I followed the same link and verified the URL once I followed it... Canon had hi-res images of several new digicams and the 20D was the only DSLR they showed off.

Marco Nero said:
I followed a link to the Canon website last night (Australian Time)
and they had the 20D listed with some high rez pics. They page was
visible for about 4 hours before Canon pulled it down again. I
guess they were in the process of testing all the weblinks or
something. The link was posted in one of the Canon SLR forums.
Needless to say, the 20D and the two new lenses were authentic
(especially as they were listed on the Canon pages). Not sure what
you folks think of it just yet but I'm curious to see what the
Nikon users would make of the 20D since you'll likely be a bit
more critical of it's shortcomings and that's usually where the
more interesting opinions and observations lie.

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Negative287 · Aug 18, 2004

The lens info is in the picture...

It is a 17 - 85 USM + IS Kit Lens but it starts at f/4 (not bad for a bundle and the IS is nice but not needed).

Gavin Cato said:
8.2mp
5fps
25 shot buffer
9point AF
comes with some sort of general zoom lens, though i forget the
measurements

and there was a 10-22mm EF-S 3.5-4.5 lens listed on the page as well.

Hamstor said:

http://www.sdcard.be/Nederlands/store/viewitem.asp?idproduct=8979348

that page says 8.2MB in one spot, but a file size of 3072x2048 in
another (6MP), and $2300 euro...

I won't believe anything until I see it on the manufacturer's web
site or DPReviews news page....

Darren Chesnut said:

It must be said to day for Nikon to read all this talk about Canon
in this Nikon Forum. But they are the only one producing cameras
for the semi to pro users right now. I am tired as all are hearing
the rummors of the D2x.

Here it is. Look at this link for the Canon 20D.

http://www.pictureline.com/digital/dcameras/dcanon/eos20D.html

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Jonathan F/2 · Aug 18, 2004

It's funny when you jump in because you're so ridiculous. Dude, if Canon was paying me to hang out here all day and preach the Canon gossip...oops I mean gospel, I'd diss Nikon too! Hey hook me up with a job bro, who better to diss Nikon then a ninja like me who knows the Nikonian fortress inside and out!

Seriously though man, the best user interface has to be my iPod, that 1 thumb scroll wheel shiznitz is the bomb yo! That be the real OG interface! Ph3aR me!

T3 said:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=9909928

And you can probably bet that not all those photographers started
out with Canon.

Jonathan F/2 said:

I remember when I was taking an interactive design class, I was
taught the less steps it takes the user to get to the information
the better. That's how cameras should be designed!

bimmerman said:

Jonathan F/2 said:

Darren Chesnut said:

It must be said to day for Nikon to read all this talk about Canon
in this Nikon Forum. But they are the only one producing cameras
for the semi to pro users right now. I am tired as all are hearing
the rummors of the D2x.

Here it is. Look at this link for the Canon 20D.

http://www.pictureline.com/digital/dcameras/dcanon/eos20D.html

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Chris101 · Aug 18, 2004

You got bnaned?? Whafo... I fear you big time now!

Jonathan F/2 said:
Seriously though man, the best user interface has to be my iPod,
that 1 thumb scroll wheel shiznitz is the bomb yo! That be the real
OG interface! Ph3aR me!

T3 said:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1032&message=9909928

And you can probably bet that not all those photographers started
out with Canon.

Jonathan F/2 said:

I remember when I was taking an interactive design class, I was
taught the less steps it takes the user to get to the information
the better. That's how cameras should be designed!

bimmerman said:

Jonathan F/2 said:

Darren Chesnut said:

It must be said to day for Nikon to read all this talk about Canon
in this Nikon Forum. But they are the only one producing cameras
for the semi to pro users right now. I am tired as all are hearing
the rummors of the D2x.

Here it is. Look at this link for the Canon 20D.

http://www.pictureline.com/digital/dcameras/dcanon/eos20D.html

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T3 · Aug 18, 2004

Jonathan F/2 said:
It's funny when you jump in because you're so ridiculous. Dude, if
Canon was paying me to hang out here all day and preach the Canon
gossip...oops I mean gospel, I'd diss Nikon too! Hey hook me up
with a job bro, who better to diss Nikon then a ninja like me who
knows the Nikonian fortress inside and out!

I ain't 'ja bro. And if I were, I'd tell you to grow up, "dude". And no one's dissing Nikon. No one's being paid to do it either. But I'd gladly take a 1D MKII as payment for calling Nikon "craptacular".

Chris101 · Aug 18, 2004

Gavin Cato said:
8.2mp
5fps
25 shot buffer
9point AF
comes with some sort of general zoom lens, though i forget the
measurements

and there was a 10-22mm EF-S 3.5-4.5 lens listed on the page as well.

Hamstor said:

http://www.sdcard.be/Nederlands/store/viewitem.asp?idproduct=8979348

that page says 8.2MB in one spot, but a file size of 3072x2048 in
another (6MP), and $2300 euro...

I won't believe anything until I see it on the manufacturer's web
site or DPReviews news page....

Darren Chesnut said:

It must be said to day for Nikon to read all this talk about Canon
in this Nikon Forum. But they are the only one producing cameras
for the semi to pro users right now. I am tired as all are hearing
the rummors of the D2x.

Here it is. Look at this link for the Canon 20D.

http://www.pictureline.com/digital/dcameras/dcanon/eos20D.html

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Jonathan F/2 · Aug 18, 2004

T3 got me banned, because I stole his girlfriend.

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bimmerman · Aug 19, 2004

Jonathan F/2 said:
I have no problem with the Canon system. In fact I think it's
better in a lot a ways. It's just with ergonomics,

Did I imply otherwise?

Jonathan F/2 said:
I find the
Nikons are far better field cameras in terms of handling. The D2H
is in my opinion the best handling camera so far.

I actually loved the way the F4 handled once upon a time. Having used a F2 for many years, the F4 was second nature. Then came the F5 which was different and a little Canon-like if you're a traditionalist but the D2H. It's the best handling camera in the world! You could take the thing to war and have bullets zinging past your ear and still not lose touch of the camera operations.

Gavin Cato · Aug 19, 2004

when it's on the manufacturers web page, yes!!!

sheesh

rolling my eyes

Chris101 said:
Gavin Cato said:

8.2mp
5fps
25 shot buffer
9point AF
comes with some sort of general zoom lens, though i forget the
measurements

and there was a 10-22mm EF-S 3.5-4.5 lens listed on the page as well.

Hamstor said:

http://www.sdcard.be/Nederlands/store/viewitem.asp?idproduct=8979348

that page says 8.2MB in one spot, but a file size of 3072x2048 in
another (6MP), and $2300 euro...

I won't believe anything until I see it on the manufacturer's web
site or DPReviews news page....

Darren Chesnut said:

It must be said to day for Nikon to read all this talk about Canon
in this Nikon Forum. But they are the only one producing cameras
for the semi to pro users right now. I am tired as all are hearing
the rummors of the D2x.

Here it is. Look at this link for the Canon 20D.

http://www.pictureline.com/digital/dcameras/dcanon/eos20D.html

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dr_nikon · Aug 19, 2004

Played around with website...
http://www.pictureline.com/digital/dcameras/dcanon/eos30D.html

They said, "Sorry, The page you are looking for has been either moved or removed from our site."

dr_nikon · Aug 19, 2004

http://www.pictureline.com/digital/dcameras/dcanon/eos20D.html
Look at near bottom
August 20 - Announcement
September 20 - On Sale

I remember last year, they started to sell 300D on Sept 20 as my Birthday

Tomorrow will be Aug 20th. If, no Announcement. They will not release as soon as possible.

AlanG · Aug 19, 2004

I don't see what all the fuss is about. The "rumored" features for the 20D are about what anybody would expect on a 10D replacement as part of Canon's evolution for this market segment. It's not as if acheiving those features would be much of a stretch for Canon. They don't represent any real innovation over other offerings by Canon.

Alan Goldstein

http://www.goldsteinphoto.com

Canon 20D link here

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