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What do people think will happen to the prices of 300D's now the 20D is about to go on sale? Drop? Rise? (due to the EF-S range being extended).

I'm considering getting a 300D in 6 months or so, and just am interested whether things will be cheaper then.

(And I guess 10D's may drop in price, certainly second hand, but I don't think I want a 2nd hand one (warranty etc), and a 300D is expensive enough for me!).

Thanks

David
 
Prices are always going to be coming down. That is the nature of technology. If you keep waiting because some new product is just around the corner, you will never end up with anything.

If the 300D still does what you need it to do in 6 months time (when you are going to buy one)...get it.
David Hearn said:
What do people think will happen to the prices of 300D's now the
20D is about to go on sale? Drop? Rise? (due to the EF-S range
being extended).

I'm considering getting a 300D in 6 months or so, and just am
interested whether things will be cheaper then.

(And I guess 10D's may drop in price, certainly second hand, but I
don't think I want a 2nd hand one (warranty etc), and a 300D is
expensive enough for me!).

Thanks

David
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Prices have already been declining somewhat. Frankly I don't think the bottom will drop out (because it looks like the 20D will be in the $1600 price range). There is still room for an entry level DSLR. The big question is whether there is a suitably "crippled" version of the 20D on the horizon that will functionally replace the Digital Rebel/300D.

I don't think the extension of the EF-S line by two lenses will make much difference.

The Digital Rebel/300D is, after all, year-old technology at this point.

Tom
David Hearn said:
What do people think will happen to the prices of 300D's now the
20D is about to go on sale? Drop? Rise? (due to the EF-S range
being extended).

I'm considering getting a 300D in 6 months or so, and just am
interested whether things will be cheaper then.

(And I guess 10D's may drop in price, certainly second hand, but I
don't think I want a 2nd hand one (warranty etc), and a 300D is
expensive enough for me!).

Thanks

David
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I Guess 10D is coming down somewhat....

10D is becoming obsolete with this new baby in town.
tominboston said:
I don't think the extension of the EF-S line by two lenses will
make much difference.

The Digital Rebel/300D is, after all, year-old technology at this
point.

Tom
David Hearn said:
What do people think will happen to the prices of 300D's now the
20D is about to go on sale? Drop? Rise? (due to the EF-S range
being extended).

I'm considering getting a 300D in 6 months or so, and just am
interested whether things will be cheaper then.

(And I guess 10D's may drop in price, certainly second hand, but I
don't think I want a 2nd hand one (warranty etc), and a 300D is
expensive enough for me!).

Thanks

David
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The introduction of the new EF-S lens will certainly keep the Rebel/300D prices stable if future buyers don't want to spend more money on the 20D and buy the less expensive Rebel/300D. This will definitely keep sales continuing on the Rebel/300D. As for the current 10D, it looks like it ready for the Canon Retirement Hall of Fame.
tominboston said:
I don't think the extension of the EF-S line by two lenses will
make much difference.

The Digital Rebel/300D is, after all, year-old technology at this
point.

Tom
David Hearn said:
What do people think will happen to the prices of 300D's now the
20D is about to go on sale? Drop? Rise? (due to the EF-S range
being extended).

I'm considering getting a 300D in 6 months or so, and just am
interested whether things will be cheaper then.

(And I guess 10D's may drop in price, certainly second hand, but I
don't think I want a 2nd hand one (warranty etc), and a 300D is
expensive enough for me!).

Thanks

David
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Former Kodak 280 user.
Current Olympus d-40 owner
Former Panasonic FZ10 user
Canon Rebel Semi-newbie
 
iwantje said:
10D is becoming obsolete with this new baby in town.
tominboston said:
I don't think the extension of the EF-S line by two lenses will
make much difference.

The Digital Rebel/300D is, after all, year-old technology at this
point.

Tom
David Hearn said:
What do people think will happen to the prices of 300D's now the
20D is about to go on sale? Drop? Rise? (due to the EF-S range
being extended).

I'm considering getting a 300D in 6 months or so, and just am
interested whether things will be cheaper then.

(And I guess 10D's may drop in price, certainly second hand, but I
don't think I want a 2nd hand one (warranty etc), and a 300D is
expensive enough for me!).

Thanks

David
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I love speculation....lol.

We only know rumours of what the "20D" will be like. But reading through here, through the 10D Forum and such, the 20D, as the rumours have it, isnt going to be a killer camera. Unless they get FAST read/write times, and a HUGE buffer (think D70 speed), then most people who already have 10D's wont be upgrading, unless their camera has reached the end of its life.

Who wants 8mps but a noiser image? The large sensor was the reason I decided on the DR, a year ago. Sure technology advances, and a year is a long time in the tech world (2 years = 1/2 life?) but it will be interesting to see sample pictures. And not ones Canon supplies. I want real-world pictures. Bad lighting, so we get dark (almost) underexposed images, to see what noise there is.

I wont be buying any EFS lenses. My lenses that I currently have are compatible with any body. I'd like to think one day I'll have a 1DmkII (or the equiv at the time) sitting in my sweaty hands, and I dont want to have a bunch of lenses that dont fit. I've already got a Sigma 70-300 sitting away in it's box again :)
Blue Breeze said:
The introduction of the new EF-S lens will certainly keep the
Rebel/300D prices stable if future buyers don't want to spend more
money on the 20D and buy the less expensive Rebel/300D. This will
definitely keep sales continuing on the Rebel/300D. As for the
current 10D, it looks like it ready for the Canon Retirement Hall
of Fame.
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David Hearn said:
What do people think will happen to the prices of 300D's now the
20D is about to go on sale? Drop? Rise? (due to the EF-S range
being extended).

I'm considering getting a 300D in 6 months or so, and just am
interested whether things will be cheaper then.

(And I guess 10D's may drop in price, certainly second hand, but I
don't think I want a 2nd hand one (warranty etc), and a 300D is
expensive enough for me!).

Thanks

David
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Canon has always done well by its owners to try to maintain the value of the original purchase as long as market conditions permit. List prices on all their dSLRs haven't moved a whit...and there is still no price competition for the dReb.

Sure, there is always a good deal to be had (especially if you can locate a loss-leader sale, I paid $825 for kit a month after it entered the stores), but Canon supports their users with carefully positioned product releases. The 20D is a case in point. Canon split the difference and has surrounded the D70 price point and are now attacking it head on. They left the 10D an arguably better camera (metal body, double dial, proven sensor)....and created a camera which may or may not be a slight upgrade on the dReb (black skin, ipod-like function dial, larger featureset, maybe 'experimental' 8mp @1.6x is worth something [we'll see]).

Consider, on the other hand, the sad story of the Nikon D100. Released at a bloated $2400, it's price dropped like a stone in the six months prior to the release of the D70....a $1000 loss in value. How would you feel if you paid $2500 for the D100 last September?
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Why does everyone assume that a higher MP count automatically results in more noise? If they've developed a new 1.6x crop 8MP sensor, surely its possible they've improved the noise etc.

I don't have the answer to this - but have Canon ever released a new Digital SLR which has worse noise than the one it 'replaces' (or is meant to improve upon)?

As for EF-S lenses - someone posted that Canon are just using them for the wide angle lenses as reducing the image circle for telephotos doesn't provide much benefit/cost saving. Therefore, if this is correct, the EF-S can get you cheaper wide angle lenses for the 1.6x DSLRs, whilst keeping EF for any telephoto lenses compatible between FF, 1.6x crop and 35mm cameras. Unless they start bringing out EF-S prime lenses (ie. you have a few to cover your desired ranges), having one or maybe two EF-S lenses isn't going to be a major problem for people upgrading - just sell them on. Obviously, if you're intending to get a FF SLR in the next year (or already have a 35mm body as well) then its probably pointless, but if its a "I hope to get" then probably EF-S would be an okay solution which isn't probably a big problem to solve. If you can afford non EF lenses (or want L glass) then stick with EF.

I couldn't afford some of the normal Canon wide lenses, so EF-S provides a good oppounity for cheaper lenses.
Spaz said:
We only know rumours of what the "20D" will be like. But reading
through here, through the 10D Forum and such, the 20D, as the
rumours have it, isnt going to be a killer camera. Unless they get
FAST read/write times, and a HUGE buffer (think D70 speed), then
most people who already have 10D's wont be upgrading, unless their
camera has reached the end of its life.

Who wants 8mps but a noiser image? The large sensor was the reason
I decided on the DR, a year ago. Sure technology advances, and a
year is a long time in the tech world (2 years = 1/2 life?) but it
will be interesting to see sample pictures. And not ones Canon
supplies. I want real-world pictures. Bad lighting, so we get
dark (almost) underexposed images, to see what noise there is.

I wont be buying any EFS lenses. My lenses that I currently have
are compatible with any body. I'd like to think one day I'll have
a 1DmkII (or the equiv at the time) sitting in my sweaty hands, and
I dont want to have a bunch of lenses that dont fit. I've already
got a Sigma 70-300 sitting away in it's box again :)
Blue Breeze said:
The introduction of the new EF-S lens will certainly keep the
Rebel/300D prices stable if future buyers don't want to spend more
money on the 20D and buy the less expensive Rebel/300D. This will
definitely keep sales continuing on the Rebel/300D. As for the
current 10D, it looks like it ready for the Canon Retirement Hall
of Fame.
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Somehow I don't think this will be the last lens Canon ever produces.

First, building a top-notch wide angle lens is a bit of an engineering challenge. We'll see how good this addition is. Second, there are lots of very good choices in the 55-70mm range. I don't see how this announcement changes anything. It raises the bar vs. the Nikon D70, that's about it.

But, by all means, feel free to pay more if it makes you happy.

Tom
brokenz said:
tominboston said:
I don't think the extension of the EF-S line by two lenses will
make much difference.

The Digital Rebel/300D is, after all, year-old technology at this
point.

Tom
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I have to disagree. I see this...

http://www.usa.canon.com/templatedata/pressrelease/images/hiRes/HiRes_EF-S%2010-22%20Slant.jpg
as a major advantage. Niwhat?
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Trust that little voice in your head that says, 'Wouldn't it be
interesting if....' And then do it. -Duane Michals
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David Hearn said:
What do people think will happen to the prices of 300D's now the
20D is about to go on sale? Drop? Rise? (due to the EF-S range
being extended).
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The new 20D is likely to be about the same as the current 10D on the street, I would imagine. It may soon be even less. Although the spec shows a minor improvent from the 10D, this does not warrant a price increase and the casing is apparently plastic and so should be cheaper than the 10D's magnesium alloy. The increase in pixels does NOT come with a corresponding increase in silicon real-estate. There is also the issue that this camera needs to compete aggressively with the excellent D70.

The price therefore must be within striking distance of the D70.

Current stocks of the 10D are not that high so I don't imagine that discounting them will lead to 300D price cuts - rather just a bargain for a few lucky punters. However I cannot see that the 300D will hold its price point if the 20D is more closely matched to the D70.

This is all interesting to me because.......I am one of those (sad) dinosours that still only uses film. The Rebel when I looked was near UK£1,000 against £500 for my EOS 3. Today I see the Rebel is UK£630. If the Rebel comes to nearer a £500 price point it would be ideal for me. I would have no problem forking out £1,000 for a 1.3 crop camera. At 1.6 I would prefer to use film and FF. However at £500 I could use a Rebel which, although less specified than my EOS3, would give me the advantages of digital and the use of FF when I require. Indeed I could see myself carrying my film body and 17-40L together with a Rebel and 70-200L.

Suddenly, I'm starting to get excited!
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Roger :o)
http://www.pbase.com/goat0063
 
...they're going digital. This could be a good time to make the move.

Tom
goat0063 said:
David Hearn said:
What do people think will happen to the prices of 300D's now the
20D is about to go on sale? Drop? Rise? (due to the EF-S range
being extended).
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The new 20D is likely to be about the same as the current 10D on
the street, I would imagine. It may soon be even less. Although the
spec shows a minor improvent from the 10D, this does not warrant a
price increase and the casing is apparently plastic and so should
be cheaper than the 10D's magnesium alloy. The increase in pixels
does NOT come with a corresponding increase in silicon real-estate.
There is also the issue that this camera needs to compete
aggressively with the excellent D70.

The price therefore must be within striking distance of the D70.

Current stocks of the 10D are not that high so I don't imagine that
discounting them will lead to 300D price cuts - rather just a
bargain for a few lucky punters. However I cannot see that the 300D
will hold its price point if the 20D is more closely matched to the
D70.

This is all interesting to me because.......I am one of those (sad)
dinosours that still only uses film. The Rebel when I looked was
near UK£1,000 against £500 for my EOS 3. Today I see the Rebel is
UK£630. If the Rebel comes to nearer a £500 price point it would be
ideal for me. I would have no problem forking out £1,000 for a 1.3
crop camera. At 1.6 I would prefer to use film and FF. However at
£500 I could use a Rebel which, although less specified than my
EOS3, would give me the advantages of digital and the use of FF
when I require. Indeed I could see myself carrying my film body and
17-40L together with a Rebel and 70-200L.

Suddenly, I'm starting to get excited!
--
Roger :o)
http://www.pbase.com/goat0063
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With the intro of the 20D, which will likely be less expensive than a currently priced 10D, the 20D will be a bargain compared to the current price of a 300D (when factoring in features).

But who knows...maybe the 300D prices will remain stable until it is replaced.
 
If enough 300D owners move to the 20D I would
think there would be some good deals on used 300Ds.
The 300D has re-introduced a lot of people to the fun
of SLR Photography and I'm wondering if many are
enjoying it enough to consider a 20D. Time will tell.
David Hearn said:
What do people think will happen to the prices of 300D's now the
20D is about to go on sale? Drop? Rise? (due to the EF-S range
being extended).

I'm considering getting a 300D in 6 months or so, and just am
interested whether things will be cheaper then.

(And I guess 10D's may drop in price, certainly second hand, but I
don't think I want a 2nd hand one (warranty etc), and a 300D is
expensive enough for me!).

Thanks

David
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I don't think so at least for the time being. If the difference in price between the Rebel & 20D is around the same as the 10-22mm lens, I would think more owners would stick with the Rebel and purchase the lens instead.
--
Former Kodak 280 user.
Current Olympus d-40 owner
Former Panasonic FZ10 user
Canon Rebel Semi-newbie
 
tominboston said:
Somehow I don't think this will be the last lens Canon ever produces.
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What made you think I was implying this?
tominboston said:
First, building a top-notch wide angle lens is a bit of an
engineering challenge. We'll see how good this addition is.
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Agree.
tominboston said:
Second, there are lots of very good choices in the 55-70mm range.
I don't see how this announcement changes anything. It raises the
bar vs. the Nikon D70, that's about it.
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Not alot in the 10-20 range (16-32) that I can see. I think the lack of an affordable wide angle lens has been an issue with many users of the "crop factor" cameras. What does Nikon have in response.
tominboston said:
But, by all means, feel free to pay more if it makes you happy.
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Pay more for what? I don't see what you are trying to say here.
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Trust that little voice in your head that says, 'Wouldn't it be interesting if....' And then do it. -Duane Michals
 
David Hearn said:
Why does everyone assume that a higher MP count automatically
results in more noise? If they've developed a new 1.6x crop 8MP
sensor, surely its possible they've improved the noise etc.

I don't have the answer to this - but have Canon ever released a
new Digital SLR which has worse noise than the one it 'replaces'
(or is meant to improve upon)?
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I hope you're right, but my 4MP S400 has more noise than the 3.2MP S30 that I before that, and the 8MP Sony 828 has more noise than the 5MP 717. I'll wait to see what Phil's detailed test will show.

Bob
 
brokenz said:
tominboston said:
Somehow I don't think this will be the last lens Canon ever produces.
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What made you think I was implying this?
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I'm just saying I it would not surprise me to see additional, perhaps L, entries that are standard EF mount.
brokenz said:
brokenz said:
Second, there are lots of very good choices in the 55-70mm range.
I don't see how this announcement changes anything. It raises the
bar vs. the Nikon D70, that's about it.
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brokenz said:
Not alot in the 10-20 range (16-32) that I can see. I think the
lack of an affordable wide angle lens has been an issue with many
users of the "crop factor" cameras. What does Nikon have in
response.
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I agree there is room for either a new L WA zoom or better quality primes. There is the 15mm fisheye, that gets decent reviews. There's the 14mmL that seems to be generally regarded as overpriced (or not nearly sharp enough for its current price).
brokenz said:
brokenz said:
But, by all means, feel free to pay more if it makes you happy.
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Pay more for what? I don't see what you are trying to say here.
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The thread is about the market pricing of 300D and 10D camera bodies. You appear to be disagreeing that the price will decline. I'm simply saying if you are in the market, someone will be happy to relieve you of your money and sell you either camera at a high price. If you think it's worth it, then everyone will be happy. Personally I think the remaining inventory of 10Ds will be available at very attractive prices. Digital Rebel/300Ds will continue a gradual decline until a direct replacement is announced.

Tom
 
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