Pop-up flash on pro type bodies.

zunico · Aug 7, 2004

The D70 and the D100 both have a pop-up flash that I regard as useless.

I wonder if anybody finds that they should stay?

Will the D200 for example, need a pop-up? Wouldn't it be better without one?

Do pop-ups have any real value?

paratom · Aug 7, 2004

zunico said:
The D70 and the D100 both have a pop-up flash that I regard as
useless.

zunico said:
I wonder if anybody finds that they should stay?

Do they hurt?

zunico said:
Will the D200 for example, need a pop-up? Wouldn't it be better
without one?

zunico said:
Do pop-ups have any real value?

I think sepecially with the limited DR of digital cameras a pop-up can help if you use it for fillflash

AstroPax · Aug 8, 2004

zunico said:
The D70 and the D100 both have a pop-up flash that I regard as
useless.

I wonder if anybody finds that they should stay?

Will the D200 for example, need a pop-up? Wouldn't it be better
without one?

Do pop-ups have any real value?

Why would it be better?

Anyway, the D100 and D70 are not exacly what I would consider "pro type" bodies.

Furthermore, IMO, the pop-up flash on my D100 is not exactly what I would consider "useless". Of "limited use", yes, but "Useless", no.

Even though I own an SB800 Speedlight, I actually use the intgrated flash, occasionaly.

Personally, I don't see a problem with leaving it on the prosumer models.

-Astro

zunico · Aug 8, 2004

... resolution and x500. The D70 is the best digital wedding pro camera on the market, by far!

With iTTL/SB800 there can be no doubt.

Once upon a time the FM2 was the wedding Nikon... not the F1,2,3,4 or 5or 6 if it comes.

I lined up my D2h, D100 and D70. They all look professional to me.

But I still dislike the pop-up.

MarkLe · Aug 8, 2004

I basically agree about the limited use of the internal flash on cameras like 10D and D100: but sometimes I use it as fill for shots outside the church. Still they are limited on range and intensity and the fact that they are there can make us..using it. So, let's pretend that they're not there..let's don't push that switch and they won't pop-up .

D100, 10D, D70 are professional cameras in the meaning that they bring money home

but D2h (and 1D/1Ds) are professional cameras because the shutter mechanism is built to last a little longer, because they all have much better autofocus tolerances and because they can take abuses. So they are in fact more reliable.

That said I (again) agree with you about the use of prosumer gears (also because the 1Ds and the metz 54 were way too heavy to hold for hours.. that's my reality).

Mark

http://www.imagingphotographics.com

Ming Thein · Aug 8, 2004

The pop up is useful when you don't want to carry your SB800 with you, but need to have an emergency flash for fill or snapshot pics.

It's less useful when it doesn't clear most of your lenses - I seldom used the popup on the D70 because it didn't clear my 12-24 at the wideangle settings without leaving a noticeable shadow in the bottom of the image

It's also easy to break off accidentally. I managed to accidentally open my D70 popup a number of times becuase it wasn't designed that well, and the vertical edge tended to catch on your fingers (or anything else).

All in all, I don't really miss it though...

Ming

zunico said:
The D70 and the D100 both have a pop-up flash that I regard as
useless.

I wonder if anybody finds that they should stay?

Will the D200 for example, need a pop-up? Wouldn't it be better
without one?

Do pop-ups have any real value?

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Chris101 · Aug 8, 2004

In addition to fill flash and emergency use, you can put a piece of IR filter over it, and use it to trigger slave flashes.

zunico said:
The D70 and the D100 both have a pop-up flash that I regard as
useless.

I wonder if anybody finds that they should stay?

Will the D200 for example, need a pop-up? Wouldn't it be better
without one?

Do pop-ups have any real value?

--
http://radio.weblogs.com/0101365/categories/photos/

zunico · Aug 8, 2004

MarkLe said:
http://www.imagingphotographics.com

About January, I went to a good camera store and boldly told them to get me some Fm2 or 3's for my return to pro(namely wedding and event) photography. After about twelve years doing something else.

They talked me into the new "DIGITAL" thing and sold me a D100.
Sounded good but D100 was 5 times the price of a 2nd hand FM2.

I'm convinced they were right.
I wanted to test the gear....

I went to a 'biker clubhouse' with the Producer and Director of a film I'm working on to continue our research.
While we were there... We found out that it was the Club Presidents birthday.

Many family friends at the event and all the 'wenches' had "happy snap" digitals 'a shootin'.

I wanted to try the ISO settings and fooled around taking mixed ISO photo's to see what this 'D100 baby' was capable of...

Ultimately I was noticed by the "Brotherhood" and it was pointed out to everyone that they should all look my way for the "PRO SHOTS"; even the production got into the act.

I suddenly realised that I needed a flash and that the D100 had one on board.

My basic understanding of photography told me to get in close/that the onboard flash may be inadequate.

Anyway... I took a lot of group shots and eventually went home.

"If soon" this forum stops hearing from me; It'll be because I was killed by bikers cause even photoshop couldn't bring those snaps up to task.

I hate built in flash and without one... I'd've brought another along!

Sander Meurs · Aug 8, 2004

Not even kidding, a well designed pop-up flash, that will do the same trick as the D70: act as remote commander unit for the SB-800 and SB-600 that you are firing from another position. The pop-up flash on top wouldn't even fire but just trigger the other 2.

And just maybe it could come in handy on some other unexpected occassion.

Cheers,

Sander Meurs
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George DeCamp · Aug 8, 2004

Sander Meurs said:
Not even kidding, a well designed pop-up flash, that will do the
same trick as the D70: act as remote commander unit for the SB-800
and SB-600 that you are firing from another position. The pop-up
flash on top wouldn't even fire but just trigger the other 2.

And just maybe it could come in handy on some other unexpected
occassion.

Cheers,

Sander Meurs
------------------------------------------------------------------

'..fools rush in, where fools have been before..'

--
George
http://www.decamp.net/gallery/

B Petterson · Aug 8, 2004

Yes I wish that the D2H had a pop up flash.
Maybe the D2X will.

Birger

Sander Meurs said:
Not even kidding, a well designed pop-up flash, that will do the
same trick as the D70: act as remote commander unit for the SB-800
and SB-600 that you are firing from another position. The pop-up
flash on top wouldn't even fire but just trigger the other 2.

LBrentG · Aug 8, 2004

I take my D100 & 24-120 with me everywhere. I might be gone the entire day (who wants to carry a flash around) and the pop up comes in very handy when it starts getting late.

I dont need anything more than the D100 but if money wasnt an issue the thing that would deter me from upgrading would be the onboard flash.

Also, whats the harm of having it? It there if you need in a pinch. If you know you will need a flash, pack it.
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wantabe · Aug 8, 2004

AstroPax said:
zunico said:

The D70 and the D100 both have a pop-up flash that I regard as
useless.

I wonder if anybody finds that they should stay?

Will the D200 for example, need a pop-up? Wouldn't it be better
without one?

Do pop-ups have any real value?

Click to expand...

Why would it be better?

Anyway, the D100 and D70 are not exacly what I would consider "pro
type" bodies.

Furthermore, IMO, the pop-up flash on my D100 is not exactly what I
would consider "useless". Of "limited use", yes, but "Useless", no.

Even though I own an SB800 Speedlight, I actually use the intgrated
flash, occasionaly.

Personally, I don't see a problem with leaving it on the prosumer
models.

-Astro

Are you all sport pros if yes than take them off, if you want a oversized cam and flash for backlit subjects or quik fill flash so you do not miss a shot then keep it. A pro cam comes in many shapes and sizes, look at what some of the real high payers are using, or how they got into the industry.
Pro cams please! You get paid for talent and unmissed/uneque shots
Have seen a pro use a g1 and make alot of money,he did not miss a shot.
Not potraits.

muskiemouth · Aug 8, 2004

Sander Meurs wrote:

Ken Plotkin · Aug 8, 2004

zunico wrote:
[snip]

zunico said:
"If soon" this forum stops hearing from me; It'll be because I
was killed by bikers cause even photoshop couldn't bring those
snaps up to task.

[snip]

I'll keep that in mind if I ever photgraph bikers. Couldn't you have just told them your underexposed images captured the darkness of their souls?

In the meantime, the popup flash has enabled me to get some images I never would have otherwise. My last film camera was an N80. I chose that over an N90 (which a pro friend had recommended) because of the popup. In my first outing with the N80, I had a very brief photo-op without my external flash in hand - popup to the rescue! The D100's popup has been equally useful, even in planned situations where I know I won't need much light.

Ken Plotkin

Douglas A. Clark · Aug 8, 2004

zunico said:
The D70 and the D100 both have a pop-up flash that I regard as
useless.

I wonder if anybody finds that they should stay?

Will the D200 for example, need a pop-up? Wouldn't it be better
without one?

Do pop-ups have any real value?

I had a D100 and I upgraded to a D2h, Although I love the D2H that pop up flash was great for fill shots, I kind of miss it.
I'm thinking of adding a D70 to my collection because of that pop up.
Doug Clark

MarkLe · Aug 8, 2004

The point here is not (really) how to use the pop-up flash: is actually a good advice to not use it at all, for professional photography.
Zunico made a very good point, and a good advice to all of us.

I know that in (very) particular circumstances the internal flash can give us a valid support (fill and close-ups in emergency).. but that will be all. Pros or advanced amateurs should always use a real flash instead.

That's what Zunico said, and I fully agree.

Mark

http://www.imagingphotographics.com

Duncan C · Aug 8, 2004

This is a VERY cool feature of the pop-up flash on the D70. Without the pop-up, you're forced to put an (expensive) SB-800 or SB-600 on your camera to control off-camera iTTL flashes, even if you don't want any on-camera flash in your pictures.

I haven't had the opportunity to use iTTL yet, but it sounds very cool.

I do sometimes wish I had a popup on my D1X, especially for fill in bright sunlight.

Duncan C
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Sander Meurs said:
Not even kidding, a well designed pop-up flash, that will do the
same trick as the D70: act as remote commander unit for the SB-800
and SB-600 that you are firing from another position. The pop-up
flash on top wouldn't even fire but just trigger the other 2.

And just maybe it could come in handy on some other unexpected
occassion.

Cheers,

Sander Meurs
------------------------------------------------------------------

'..fools rush in, where fools have been before..'

--
dpreview and PBase supporter.

http://www.pbase.com/duncanc

jo ann · Aug 8, 2004

To Zunico...Why do you say the D70 is THE camera for wedding shots? I do weddings and I use the D100. Have you used the 100, because if not, then because the two are so similiar, I have to agree with you. If you have, then what makes the D70 better?

To Astro Pax...What is intergrated flash? I don't have any formal schooling on photography, I just love it.

To all who are so "over my head"... The problem I am having is lighting. I

also shoot weddings. I have the SB800, but since most of my clients are African American, and I have trouble getting enough light to see all faces clearly. Even with the speedlight is usually not enough. Since I can't run around moving an extra slave flash, I want to know if there is a special setting I should be using, or is there a bracket that would hold two speedlights and the camera. My local camera store says NO.

I would appreciate all the help I can get. Jo Ann

ps, Even when I can get the subjects clearly, I need fill light for the background. This is not the case everytime, but unless the church is well lit, which is usually not the case, I can't get, what I consider, good enough shots.

zunico · Aug 8, 2004

jo ann said:
To Zunico...Why do you say the D70 is THE camera for wedding shots?
I do weddings and I use the D100. Have you used the 100, because
if not, then because the two are so similiar, I have to agree with
you. If you have, then what makes the D70 better?

To Astro Pax...What is intergrated flash? I don't have any formal
schooling on photography, I just love it.

To all who are so "over my head"... The problem I am having is
lighting. I
also shoot weddings. I have the SB800, but since most of my
clients are African American, and I have trouble getting enough
light to see all faces clearly. Even with the speedlight is
usually not enough. Since I can't run around moving an extra slave
flash, I want to know if there is a special setting I should be
using, or is there a bracket that would hold two speedlights and
the camera. My local camera store says NO.

I would appreciate all the help I can get. Jo Ann

ps, Even when I can get the subjects clearly, I need fill light for
the background. This is not the case everytime, but unless the
church is well lit, which is usually not the case, I can't get,
what I consider, good enough shots.

It's only my opinion but I'm positive the x500(sync speed) of the D70 makes for sharper images.
The D100 syncs up to x180.

The D70 is also a little lighter.
The SB800 flash in the D70 will give you a much better lighting situation.
This may fix your problem.

Intergrated flash means "the flash that comes as part of the camera".
That's the one I don't like but I'm convinced now that there is some use for it.

I'm sure that more currently practised photogs will answer your questions so hang in there.

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