Nightmare professional photography scenario

" 2. He was using only one camera"
You don't know that. He might have had another camera available but
wasn't using it at the time. Remember, the post said the shutter
didn't open even though it sounded ok. How was the photographer to
know there was a defect?
He could either develop his film a few seconds after shooting or
use a digital. What he should have done is shoot with two cameras
at the same time (as much as possible).
3. He was being greedy.
No he wasn't. How do you know if his contract didn't specify that
no other cameras allowed?
Oh, I don't, but I can logically deduce that by even including such
a clause in a contract that there was greed involved. What other
reasons can you think of to forbid other cameras at the event?
-How can you shoot with two cameras at once. It's a nightmare and you would spend all your time worrying about the gear and missing the shots.

You'd also look incompetent. If shooting weddings worries people this much then why bother?
Chris Clark
 
After reading your message again I'm rather suspicious of its content.

You stated that Photographer shot 4 rolls of film but failed to capture any of ceremony/formals or reception. Well! I don't/can't believe that. It incredible the any decent Photographer would keep on pressing shutter for hours and not realize he was not using any film, its standard procedure at weddings to plan to insert a new reel for start of ceremony and another on leaving church and another 2/3 for formals. Perhaps he thought he was using a digi with a 4gig card.

Perhaps you or your informant are exagerating or simply having a bit of fun with us?

Carl
 
OUCH!

You were a gentleman... the photographer was not, and he made a number of mistakes.

1] ALWAYS HAVE A BACKUP
  • always take at least two cameras (I normally take three to weddings)
  • I primarily shoot digitally (S2Pro) so I can check lighting etc HOWEVER
I also have a film body with me and take a film capture of the critical
shots as well (just in case memory card decides to die)
  • I try to take an assistant, who will also be shooting with another body
2] polite guests with cameras are to be treated as friends / unpaid assistants... they are always free to snap away when I shoot, with the exceptions being posed formals when I dont want eyes wondering, and during the ceremony IF the JP or minister objects to flash; if they don't use flash they can snap away to their hearts content

3] Charge enough for the time or package so you don't have to rely on back end print sales... i give the couples a CD of the images as they come from my ditigal camera; they can pay for me to retouch them, or make retouched prints

4] ALWAYS HAVE BACKUP (yes, I am repeating myself)
I attended my niece's wedding yesterday. I usually cart my camera
and a couple of lenses to family affairs to get the candid shots
that the hired photog usually tries to avoid. You know, the kind
you can use for blackmail later. ;-)

Anyway, he didn't like seeing my setup at all. He spoke to the
parents and they asked me to refrain from taking flash pictures
during the ceremony or during the formal setups after the ceremony.
No problem during the reception. I asked if I could take no-flash
pictures during the ceremony. That's when the real issue surfaced
-- he didn't want anyone else taking pictures at all so as to
maximize print revenue later. No problem. I can respect their
contract.

Anyway, I shot about 150 frames during the reception. Rather than
duplicating the traditional cake-cutting, face stuffing,
thigh-groping fare the hired guy was getting I stuck to funnier
shots of people eating, kids dancing, and my two-year-old son
falling head-first into the tub filled with ice and drinks.

I got a call about an hour after leaving the reception from my
brother, the father of the bride. He asked how my reception
pictures turned out. Since I hadn't even looked at them yet I told
him I had no idea. Then he told me that the photographer's Nikon F4
had malfunctioned 20 shots into the fourth roll of film. Every shot
after that was completely blank. The film advanced after each shot
and it sounded right, but the shutter stayed shut on every shot. He
had four and fraction rolls of my niece fitting her dress and
people decorating the reception hall but nothing at all of the
ceremony, formal poses, or reception. My brother says the guys
hands were shaking. To his credit he returned to the church and
told them face-to-face.

So anyway, they are going to re-do the formal poses without the
out-of-towners who were in the wedding party, but the ceremony is a
wash and my shots are the only ones of the real deal. ;-)

Film is scary -- I'm not sure I would do paid-for work without the
immediate feedback of seeing those images on the card.
--
http://whphotography.com/
 
An hour after returning home from the reception you got a call from the father of the bride saying that after the fourth roll of film, there were no more pictures. Sounds like the photographer went down to the local Walmart or Walgreens, Sams or Costco for processing, and maybe they messed up the film. Sounds astonishing that a pro would not check to see if film was advancing through the camera. And even then, when rewinding it, there would be a VERY short rewind time. And you can tell when a focal plane shutter is malfunctioning, especially if you are having to change the shutter speed to accommodate available light shots, etc. Now, you may not know that it is malfunctioning, but you sometimes get that queasy feeling. And as another poster said, "I always check shutter operation when changing rolls." Which points out another problem. He should have had an assistant loading cameras and checking shutters between rolls. But something smells about this story. I, for one, would be asking to see those rolls of film to check for the fog at the beginning of each roll. It should have a pattern to it. Just a random rant. gc
 
I asked why "professional" wedding photographers don't use a
second shooter as backup.... not the camera....

Small point I guess, until a situation like this happens.

Good idea to have assistant to back you up on all the
important work (formals/portraits).
He might have had a backup but didn't realize the F4 was defective.
An unusual situation. Very rare in my opinion.

I sometimes shot with a Kowa 6, Rolleiflex 2.8F, Olympus, etc.
Fortunately I always knew when there was a problem.
 
I attended my niece's wedding yesterday. I usually cart my camera
and a couple of lenses to family affairs to get the candid shots
that the hired photog usually tries to avoid. You know, the kind
you can use for blackmail later. ;-)
Very Real Story, I've been shooting weddings for a little over 18 Years and have a couple of simular stories but not that bad. We had a lab distroy half our film when the processor dropped the film rack into the bottom of the developer tank..... As far as film being more risky then digital... I doubt it is that simple. The main difference is putting your images in the hands of a third party to develope and print. With digital you can keep your images in hand and still have them printed, safely. We carry several CF cards and NEVER erase a card until it is transfered and burned to CDs.

AND yes seeing the image on the back of the camera is a real stress reducer but we find that the displayed image is rarely a good indication of image quality.

We also never, never keep people from shooting at weddings. It's a real PR thing and a bit of a safety net if something awful should happen.
--

A pro photographer was once asked which camera to buy to take pictures like he did, he answered: which piano would you buy to play like mozart.......
 
You think an F4 is primitive? Now that's funny!

He should have noticed the shutter not working. In any case, a backup camera would have solved his issue. Having just the digital would not have solved his problem.

Maybe next time I have a big wedding, I'll bring my old coffee can pinhole, because its shutter is 100% reliable... :)
Not having a histogram doesn't make calculating exposure
impossible. You could use a light meter.
And he still wouldn't have known that his his shutter conked out...
Also, Nikon F4 isn't
exactly 'primitive equipment.'
It is compared to what is available today. He would have been
better off with PS digital

You make it sound like he had a
pinhole camera.
At least the shutter works all the time on a pinhole, thereby it is
better than an F4 ;^)

M
 
No, it's not a nightmare. I do it at every wedding. One camera with flash and 400 film, and one without, with "limited" (as another poster put it) 3200 speed film which I push to 6400. Any "competent" photographer can do it. Ever see a photojournalist? They often have two or three cameras around their necks.

Sometimes I'll carry three, with the third being a panoramic camera, to get the shots that no digital, as yet, can get. There is usually enough time to get what I need with all three cameras.
-How can you shoot with two cameras at once. It's a nightmare and
you would spend all your time worrying about the gear and missing
the shots.
You'd also look incompetent. If shooting weddings worries people
this much then why bother?
Chris Clark
 
You think an F4 is primitive? Now that's funny!
Yep. I used to have one. It wasn't one of Nikons best cameras, and compared to what is available today it is primitive, not stone age like an F Photomic, but there is better technology available, both film and digital. And the photog was pretty dim to cover a wedding using one 10+ year old camera. (OK, now all the people using 25 year old Hassys can jump in).
But if you think the F4 is up to date, that's ok too.

M
 
. And you can tell when a focal plane shutter is
malfunctioning, especially if you are having to change the shutter
speed to accommodate available light shots, etc. Now, you may not
know that it is malfunctioning, but you sometimes get that queasy
feeling.
How can you tell if a FP shutter is malfuctioning without seeing it?

Quesey feeling comes later, when you are at the lab...

M
 
Not having a histogram doesn't make calculating exposure
impossible. You could use a light meter.
And he still wouldn't have known that his his shutter conked out...
Also, Nikon F4 isn't
exactly 'primitive equipment.'
It is compared to what is available today. He would have been
better off with PS digital
You're not really dumb enough to believe that a PS camera of any kind is better than an F4 for pro work, are you? Naw, of course not..you know you're spouting propaganda. Blech! The F4 is a fine camera. I've heard of few of them failing even after taking horrid abuse. My F4 bodies have been dropped on concerete streets, soaked with water, assulted by dust on farms and factories, and have never, ever needed service. The guy "Got Lucky". It had nothing to do with film vs. digital because he was using a camera built to a higher standard of reliablity than any digital SLR made today except the Canon D series, which equal the F4. He could have had a failure with a D-SLR, as other posters have mentioned with flash card problems
--
Chris Crawford

http://www.crawfordandkline.com
Featured in the November, 2003 issue
Popular Photography
 
Yes, yes yes!

Still shooting with 500CM/503CX bodies. In fact, I am not doing digital on weddings except for the sidelights that the assistant/second shooter takes. I do this because i still believe a negative film has advantages over the digital media, like a -2/+5 exposure latitude. The lab takes care of almost all of the work, so no digital post-processing headaches.

Like a previous poster have mentioned: I check the sync regularly!

BTW, PPA offers an excellent "re-shoot" insurance policy.

dan
You think an F4 is primitive? Now that's funny!
Yep. I used to have one. It wasn't one of Nikons best cameras, and
compared to what is available today it is primitive, not stone age
like an F Photomic, but there is better technology available, both
film and digital. And the photog was pretty dim to cover a wedding
using one 10+ year old camera. (OK, now all the people using 25
year old Hassys can jump in).
But if you think the F4 is up to date, that's ok too.

M
 
Sometimes I'll carry three, with the third being a panoramic
camera, to get the shots that no digital, as yet, can get. There is
usually enough time to get what I need with all three cameras.
So it was you I saw in Kansas at Christmas! I thought it was a Xmas tree, surely 3 cameras in deep snow could be cosidered dangerous?
 
You're not really dumb enough to believe that a PS camera of any
kind is better than an F4 for pro work, are you?
A working PS is better than a broken F4.

Naw, of course
not..you know you're spouting propaganda. Blech!
?
The F4 is a
fine camera.
OK. YOu have your opinion and I have mine. I used to own an F4 I was never impressed with it , compared to the F2, Now that was a camera!
It had
nothing to do with film vs. digital
Didn't say film v digital. I was saying working v non working. And he should not be using one camera unless he can verify that it's working by using polaroid or digital.
because he was using a camera
built to a higher standard of reliablity than any digital SLR made
today except the Canon D series, which equal the F4. He could have
had a failure with a D-SLR, as other posters have mentioned with
flash card problems.
If he was checking the LCD on a digital camera, he would have lnown earlier that the card or camera was wonky.

It's not really blaming the camera, they all will fail at some time, it's the cheapskate or incompetent photographer who only used or only has one camera to cover a once in a lifetiime event.

M
 
Sometimes I'll carry three, with the third being a panoramic
camera, to get the shots that no digital, as yet, can get. There is
usually enough time to get what I need with all three cameras.
-How can you shoot with two cameras at once. It's a nightmare and
you would spend all your time worrying about the gear and missing
the shots.
You'd also look incompetent. If shooting weddings worries people
this much then why bother?
Chris Clark
--How do you organize your the order of the shots with 3 different camera bodies and different films all shooting at different times during the ceremony ? Does it take you much time? I assume you use the panoramic camera for groups etc. Sounds diffrent but I suppose everyone has their own way of working.
Chris Clark
 
I just arrange them by roll of film, and put those in order, in separate categories. I use the panorama for a number of things: sometimes groups, sometimes "artsy." It's a wonderful thing to have. The only downside is that it doesn't focus, and is set for infinity. So I have to stop down to get nearby things sharp. But it works pretty well. Here's how I arrange the proofs:

http://www.stevemelvinbw.com/buster_saving/
--How do you organize your the order of the shots with 3 different
camera bodies and different films all shooting at different times
during the ceremony ? Does it take you much time? I assume you use
the panoramic camera for groups etc. Sounds diffrent but I suppose
everyone has their own way of working.
Chris Clark
 
After reading your message again I'm rather suspicious of its content.
I'll be happy to introduce you to the participants.
You stated that Photographer shot 4 rolls of film but failed to
capture any of ceremony/formals or reception. Well! I don't/can't
believe that. It incredible the any decent Photographer would keep
on pressing shutter for hours and not realize he was not using any
film, its standard procedure at weddings to plan to insert a new
reel for start of ceremony and another on leaving church and
another 2/3 for formals. Perhaps he thought he was using a digi
with a 4gig card.
I would suggest a quick re-read of the original post. Particularly this part:

"The film advanced after each shot and it sounded right, but the shutter stayed shut on every shot. "

He changed rolls many, many times. I was next to him on several occasions at the reception and heard the mirror on each shot. Never having owned one I don't know what an F4 is supposed to sound like, but it sounded remarkably like a film camera taking a picture.
 
After reading your message again I'm rather suspicious of its content.
I'll be happy to introduce you to the participants.
You stated that Photographer shot 4 rolls of film but failed to
capture any of ceremony/formals or reception. Well! I don't/can't
believe that. It incredible the any decent Photographer would keep
on pressing shutter for hours and not realize he was not using any
film, its standard procedure at weddings to plan to insert a new
reel for start of ceremony and another on leaving church and
another 2/3 for formals. Perhaps he thought he was using a digi
with a 4gig card.
I would suggest a quick re-read of the original post. Particularly
this part:

"The film advanced after each shot and it sounded right, but the
shutter stayed shut on every shot. "

He changed rolls many, many times. I was next to him on several
occasions at the reception and heard the mirror on each shot.
Never having owned one I don't know what an F4 is supposed to sound
like, but it sounded remarkably like a film camera taking a picture.
Your hearing the mirror is no indication that the shutter is working properly. As for "knowing" it is malfunctioning, there is a caveat, which I tried to explain, but apparently failed. If you use one of those cameras for any extended period of time, you get used to the sounds and the feel of the camera as it cycles. And they sometimes fail at other shutter speeds than others. But you can sometimes pick up a hint that all is not right. Not so with the sync failing, etc.; but it points to the fact that the shutter should be quickly checked between rolls or as soon as shooting permits. It is a horrible situation that every pro dreads and every amateur is totally unaware of until it happens. gc
 
but it points to the fact that the shutter
should be quickly checked between rolls or as soon as shooting
permits. It is a horrible situation that every pro dreads and
every amateur is totally unaware of until it happens. gc
An excellent tip for the aspiring or established pro who wants to shoot film.
 
The F4 is a
fine camera.
OK. YOu have your opinion and I have mine. I used to own an F4 I
was never impressed with it , compared to the F2, Now that was a
camera!
The F2 is awesome. The thing I didsliked about my F4 was the plasticy feeling of it's controls and it's outer cover. The insode's metal and HEAVY, but the outside feels cheap comared to an F2 or an F3. Someday when i get a little money i'm going to buy an old F2 to shoot with..but man they're still so darned expensive! You can get an F4 cheaper than an F2 in nice condition.
It had
nothing to do with film vs. digital
Didn't say film v digital. I was saying working v non working. And
he should not be using one camera unless he can verify that it's
working by using polaroid or digital.
Agreed; i always take backups to shoots. You'd be foolish not to, especially at a wedding!
because he was using a camera
built to a higher standard of reliablity than any digital SLR made
today except the Canon D series, which equal the F4. He could have
had a failure with a D-SLR, as other posters have mentioned with
flash card problems.
If he was checking the LCD on a digital camera, he would have lnown
earlier that the card or camera was wonky.
It's not really blaming the camera, they all will fail at some
time, it's the cheapskate or incompetent photographer who only used
or only has one camera to cover a once in a lifetiime event.
True. Would the LCD tell you if the card was wonky? Still it would have told him the shutter wasn't working. I've used Kodak 14n and Nikon D1x cameras numerous times when clients demanded digital capture but I don't own one yet. Most of my work is still black and white fine art, and my Mamiya 645 with Tmax 100 developed in rodinal beats all the 35m based digital systems for that so far. I wish someone would make a black and white only digital!
--
Chris Crawford

http://www.crawfordandkline.com
Featured in the November, 2003 issue
Popular Photography
 

Keyboard shortcuts

Back
Top