Z3's are starting to show up in US...

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After being encouraged by the availability in the UK, I did a "froogle" and found 8 or 9 places that either claimed "in-stock" or "shipping within a week"...including some big names.

I think the camera is about here...

Ken
 
Thanks Ken!!!

I looked on Froogle, and actually found one that DOES have them in stock. With next-day shipping, I should have it early next week. Don't trust the web sites availability info, though. I called a few before finding one that really does have them available to ship.

Ann
After being encouraged by the availability in the UK, I did a
"froogle" and found 8 or 9 places that either claimed "in-stock" or
"shipping within a week"...including some big names.

I think the camera is about here...

Ken
 
Hi Ann,

Glad that was useful to you - if you don't mind me asking, what did you wind up paying for it? And, of course, when you get it would you be so kind as to post your experiences?

Ken
I looked on Froogle, and actually found one that DOES have them in
stock. With next-day shipping, I should have it early next week.
Don't trust the web sites availability info, though. I called a
few before finding one that really does have them available to ship.

Ann
After being encouraged by the availability in the UK, I did a
"froogle" and found 8 or 9 places that either claimed "in-stock" or
"shipping within a week"...including some big names.

I think the camera is about here...

Ken
 
Ann:

Most of the online dealers don't "really" stock anything. They are just drop shipping from the distributors.

So, if one dealer has it, and nobody else does (unless you are dealing with a very large, well established dealer that is buying direct), Caveat Emptor!

Did you check the vendors reputation using http://www.resellerratings.com and bizrate.com?

If not, you need to. I would also recommend avoiding vendors with only a small number of customer reviews, because vendors have been known to "pad" their own ratings, by posting "glowing reviews".

The usual way the bad dealers work, is to advertise something at a lower price than everyone else (or an item that nobody else has in stock). Then, they call you to "confirm" your order.

Then, usually the sales pitch begins (you'll need a better battery, larger memory card, lens accessories, extended warranty, etc.). Of course, many consumers fall for it, since they only check the price of the camera -- not the accessories.

These items are usually sold at outrageous prices, but appear to be heavily discounted (unrealistic prices are shown for the "list prices" of the accessories.).

Usually, this happens:
  • They ship you a gray market camera (one not intended for sale in the U.S.). BTW, you won't get warranty service if it is gray market.
and/or
  • They are not really going to sell you the camera at the advertised price, unless you agree to buy lots of overpriced extras (poor quality memory cards, case, poor quality lens accessories, generic batteries that they claim are better, extended warranty, etc.).
Of course, by the time you buy the overpriced, poor quality add-on's, you could have gotten a better deal somewhere else -- from a reputable dealer. Another trick these guys play, is to claim the price is for the camera only (again, forcing you to buy the items that are included with the camera anyway, at drastically inflated prices). Otherwise (if you tell them you don't want the add-ons), most of the "scam artists" will refuse to sell it to you for the quoted price.

Or, your camera will suddenly go to backorder status, or even more common, they simply never ship it to you -- leading you along when you try to find out order status, until you finally cancel the order.

Sometimes, when do cancel, they'll ship a partial order (with high unauthorized shipping charges tacked on). Then, when you return it, and dispute it with your credit card company, they end up keeping the high shipping charges they added (because credit card companies will often not refund the shippnig charges).

You may also see a combination of the above techniques (gray market camera + trying to scam you with the extras).

These types of techniques are VERY Common.

I'd do yourself a favor -- stick with a reputable dealer -- one that will work with you if you have a problem. Cameras do have "out of the box" problems, and you don't want to be stuck with a gray market camera that you can't get serviced (or a need to ship your brand new camera back to Konica-Minolta as soon as you buy it).

A good dealer will usually replace a defective model, within a reasonable return period.

Use the customer feedback in the price search engines to "spot" these dealers, and also use http://www.resellerratings.com

--
JimC
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http://www.pbase.com/jcockfield/konica_kd510z
 
Ken,

I paid $510 plus $40 for next day shipping, no tax.

I have family coming in from out of state tomorrow and we will be doing the "tourist thing" for the next 2 weeks, so I should have some good shots to share soon.

Ann
Hi Ann,

Glad that was useful to you - if you don't mind me asking, what did
you wind up paying for it? And, of course, when you get it would
you be so kind as to post your experiences?

Ken

alittell wrote:
 
Thanks Ken!!!

I looked on Froogle, and actually found one that DOES have them in
stock. With next-day shipping, I should have it early next week.
Don't trust the web sites availability info, though. I called a
few before finding one that really does have them available to ship.

Ann

could you please tell where you got it?
Joy
 
I'm still not sure why consumers only find out about sites like reseller ratings after they've been scammed. But anyway, I'm sure there are many who are not aware of certain tactics used by disreputable dealers so here it is again.
http://webpages.charter.net/bbiggers/DCExperiments/html/buying.html

I hope you guys do get your cameras as promised though.

Regards,
Robert
Ann:

Most of the online dealers don't "really" stock anything. They are
just drop shipping from the distributors.

So, if one dealer has it, and nobody else does (unless you are
dealing with a very large, well established dealer that is buying
direct), Caveat Emptor!

Did you check the vendors reputation using
http://www.resellerratings.com and bizrate.com?

If not, you need to. I would also recommend avoiding vendors with
only a small number of customer reviews, because vendors have been
known to "pad" their own ratings, by posting "glowing reviews".

The usual way the bad dealers work, is to advertise something at a
lower price than everyone else (or an item that nobody else has in
stock). Then, they call you to "confirm" your order.

Then, usually the sales pitch begins (you'll need a better battery,
larger memory card, lens accessories, extended warranty, etc.). Of
course, many consumers fall for it, since they only check the price
of the camera -- not the accessories.

These items are usually sold at outrageous prices, but appear to be
heavily discounted (unrealistic prices are shown for the "list
prices" of the accessories.).

Usually, this happens:
  • They ship you a gray market camera (one not intended for sale in
the U.S.). BTW, you won't get warranty service if it is gray market.

and/or
  • They are not really going to sell you the camera at the
advertised price, unless you agree to buy lots of overpriced extras
(poor quality memory cards, case, poor quality lens accessories,
generic batteries that they claim are better, extended warranty,
etc.).

Of course, by the time you buy the overpriced, poor quality
add-on's, you could have gotten a better deal somewhere else --
from a reputable dealer. Another trick these guys play, is to claim
the price is for the camera only (again, forcing you to buy the
items that are included with the camera anyway, at drastically
inflated prices). Otherwise (if you tell them you don't want the
add-ons), most of the "scam artists" will refuse to sell it to you
for the quoted price.

Or, your camera will suddenly go to backorder status, or even more
common, they simply never ship it to you -- leading you along when
you try to find out order status, until you finally cancel the
order.

Sometimes, when do cancel, they'll ship a partial order (with high
unauthorized shipping charges tacked on). Then, when you return it,
and dispute it with your credit card company, they end up keeping
the high shipping charges they added (because credit card companies
will often not refund the shippnig charges).

You may also see a combination of the above techniques (gray market
camera + trying to scam you with the extras).

These types of techniques are VERY Common.

I'd do yourself a favor -- stick with a reputable dealer -- one
that will work with you if you have a problem. Cameras do have "out
of the box" problems, and you don't want to be stuck with a gray
market camera that you can't get serviced (or a need to ship your
brand new camera back to Konica-Minolta as soon as you buy it).

A good dealer will usually replace a defective model, within a
reasonable return period.

Use the customer feedback in the price search engines to "spot"
these dealers, and also use http://www.resellerratings.com

--
JimC
------
http://www.pbase.com/jcockfield/konica_kd510z
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I have gotten smarter. I had a bad situation that I am trying to make better. I placed an order last week for a Z2. After the scams of trying to sell me high-priced accessories and warranty and adding "shipping insurance" that I didn't know about, I finally got my package yesterday. When I opened it, it was not a Z2. I actually received an A2, which is a more expensive camera, but was not what I wanted. I wanted the better optical zoom and autofocus speed of the Z2. So, I started looking around again, and found the Z3 info. Maybe what was a really bad situation might work out okay in the end.

But, as someone who was just scammed by one company, you are right! Check the companies before you buy from them. Read actual reviews from other consumers.

And, don't do business with Big on Digital.

Ann
 
I don't understand why you don't write where you ended up buying it, so others don't have to go through the same tedious process you went through :>
I looked on Froogle, and actually found one that DOES have them in
stock. With next-day shipping, I should have it early next week.
Don't trust the web sites availability info, though. I called a
few before finding one that really does have them available to ship.

Ann
After being encouraged by the availability in the UK, I did a
"froogle" and found 8 or 9 places that either claimed "in-stock" or
"shipping within a week"...including some big names.

I think the camera is about here...

Ken
 
I don't understand why you don't write where you ended up buying
it, so others don't have to go through the same tedious process you
went through :>

+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
I did a quck froogle search,,,merchants that came up did not get good reviews at reseller,,,,some one else sent in this great link on how NOT to get ripped off
http://webpages.charter.net/bbiggers/DCExperiments/html/buying.html

Joy
I looked on Froogle, and actually found one that DOES have them in
stock. With next-day shipping, I should have it early next week.
Don't trust the web sites availability info, though. I called a
few before finding one that really does have them available to ship.

Ann
After being encouraged by the availability in the UK, I did a
"froogle" and found 8 or 9 places that either claimed "in-stock" or
"shipping within a week"...including some big names.

I think the camera is about here...

Ken
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Joy
Portland.ME.
http://www.pbase.com/bcelliot
 
but I don't for a minute believe that anyone in the U.S. has the DiMAGE Z3 in stock, unless it's grey market (not intended for sale in the U.S.).

Otherwise, one of the larger dealers would show it.

I think you're being "taken for a ride" -- with the "best case scenario" being that they will try to string you along until the item actually starts shipping in the U.S.

For your sake, I hope I'm wrong.

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JimC
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http://www.pbase.com/jcockfield/konica_kd510z
 
That was a great article on camera shopping. Pretty much covered everything. I think this paragraph from the article makes the best point for this particular situation.

"Yeah, but they have the camera and nobody else does yet! Hint: no they don't. Not unless they are one of the big dealers like B&H. If B&H, who probably buys millions of dollars of cameras does not have it, how can these guys? You would be surprised how many people fall for this in their haste to get a new camera. The first few weeks before and after a new model is released are the worst. They are hoping to stall you using one of the "techniques above."
 
Mine has arrived. I will try to post some pictures soon.

Ann
After being encouraged by the availability in the UK, I did a
"froogle" and found 8 or 9 places that either claimed "in-stock" or
"shipping within a week"...including some big names.

I think the camera is about here...

Ken
 

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