Who is Steven M. Scharf, and why does he hate us so much?

Thanks for sharing that with me Michael. It's off-topic, but intriguing nonetheless. Despite my signature line, I only half-believe this stuff, but that means I only half dis-believe it, too. Looking at the occurances of the past few years, it's all getting very spooky though, and a lot of these predictions seem to be coming true ...

So, be sure to have your camera ready and your batteries charged ... you never know when that once-in-a-lifetime shot is going to be right in front of you.

Best regards, always,
-pvs
The Mayan Calendar predicts that the world will end on December 21,
2012. Be sure to have your camera ready and your batteries charged.
http://www.deoxy.org/omega.htm
i found this in 96

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SD10
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just who this stuff belongs too. I remember glancing at that site
once way back and just blowing it off due to it's misinformation.
But now i'm kinda wondering?
is this the brainchild of a major camera company CEO?
Much stranger things have happened.
does someone have a vested intrest in misinforming the public in a
possibly liablous false advertising campaign under the auspices of
a person or unaffiliated group?

Somebody around here is sharp enough to trace these URLs and gleen
ISP info such that we can get to the bottom of this, No??
It's no brainchild, more like someone acting like a child in need of a brain. This guy posts in the rec.photo.digital newsgroup. Laurence has gone toe-to-toe with this guy but he is one of many in that newsgroup who have, for some unknown reason, an axe to grind with Sigma products. When presented with facts, they ignore them. When presented with an opinion different from theor own, they seem to froth at the mouth with anger.

A fellow named Lex posted a message in that group asking for advice. He wasn't gettimg the sharp photos he expected from his SD10 and asked for advice along the lines of getting a sharper lens rather than using the kit lenses. A lot of "constructive" answer spewed forth along the lines of "the SD10 is junk", etc. etc. I pointed him to this forum for some real unbiased advice.
 
He writes lots of rubbish, we can't do anything against it, if he was posting here we could correct him and report him but this thread is really wasting our time, it is pointless. We will neither get an answer as why he does it nor will we stop him.

It was almost inevitable that somebody who writes up such an amount of rubbish and publishes it in such an irresponsible way would mention freedom of speak on his homepage... many of these folks desperatly defend this right but do not realize that it is not only a right but that it also comes with a certain duty. But if people like this guy decieve people like that many will think about if it would not be better to limit free speech in order to prevent deception by such people who state their opinion and limit understanding of some matter very strong and as a fact. So in reality what he does is pretty counterproductive to his support for the "stop censorship" campaign...

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http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/dominic_gross_sd10

 
When I was researching the Toyota Prius I signed on to one of their user group lists, and there was a handful of people there trashing the vehicle for alleged tire problems, instability on the road, all kinds of things. When pressed hard for facts and documentation they evaporated, to be replaced by other names with similar horrendous but vaporous claims. One of the old timers on that list was of the view that these people were sent by GM to sow FUD (Fear, Uncertainty, Doubt) and scare off buyers. Nobody could ever find a smoking gun for that theory (e.g. a paycheck) but it makes a lot of sense in this day of mass spam and social engineering of all stripes. All the sowers of FUD, however, couldn't overcome the broad base of user satisfaction with the vehicle, and not long ago, as I tallied more than 20K miles on mine, Consumer Reports chose it as a Best Buy. Here, I read the troll sowing FUD about the SD10, and I don't like it, it makes me feel uncomfortable; but the cure is to get the camera out and start taking pictures. Then I feel good again.
I did a bit of research today, on that SIGMASD10.COM site as well
as this new "Fair and Balanced View of the Sigma SD10", and found
that they are both the demon-spawn an individual named Steven M.
Scharf, registered as:

The Nordic Group
P.O Box 467
Cupertino, CA 95015-0467
[email protected]
(408) 202-7910

I am quite surprised, as I thought these two similar sites were
going to belong to Ken Rockwell, but unless the Scharf name is an
alias, they are different people.

Does anyone on the forum know ... What is this guy's problem? And
why is he out to spread negative (and not at all honest) publicity
regarding Sigma and Foveon? What's worse, is that he seems to have
good contacts with Google, since he gets these lying webpages to
display very high in their result listings, and that is often not
an easy thing to do, even for legitimate sites that offer TRUE
information.

He also mentions this forum in particular, stating that WE post a
lot of mis-information.

So, does anyone know what his problem is? Did he get burned by
Sigma or Foveon in the past? He claims to own stock in Foveon, but
I doubt that myself, because every time I searched that avenue,
Foveon wasn't selling stock to private entities.

I'm confused as to why anyone would take the time, trouble, or
$4.99 to attack a company and/or product with this type of
slanderous, misguided, one-sided, and repetitive drivel. What the
heck is he afraid of?

Anyone wish to take a stab at his motivation?
-pvs

--
The Mayan Calendar predicts that the world will end on December 21,
2012. Be sure to have your camera ready and your batteries charged.
--
-- Martin
http://manicimaging.com
 
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=8874707

PV,
yu can feed them, just not too much. :)
this is the guy who prompted Laurence to unleash his Laurenceness
on that news group. makes interesting read.

now only if I can find that link.....
Please DO, Chunsum ... I'd like to see it.
I think Dom's sig saids it best. Don't feed them.
Ooooh ... is that what I'm doing? Heck ... I guess they got me.
Please accept my apologies.

-pvs

--
The Mayan Calendar predicts that the world will end on December 21,
2012. Be sure to have your camera ready and your batteries charged.
--



http://www.chunsum.com
http://www.pbase.com/chunsum
http://www.pbase.com/chunsum/brendon
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9
 
Thanks Chunsum. I just read a few of the postings there. Just from last May, huh? That's what I get for no being able to visit this forum very regularly. That was an interesting thread.

Gonna have to get to bed soon. Hope I didn't leave too much troll-food tonight.

-pvs
PV,
yu can feed them, just not too much. :)
this is the guy who prompted Laurence to unleash his Laurenceness
on that news group. makes interesting read.

now only if I can find that link.....
Please DO, Chunsum ... I'd like to see it.
I think Dom's sig saids it best. Don't feed them.
Ooooh ... is that what I'm doing? Heck ... I guess they got me.
Please accept my apologies.

-pvs

--
The Mayan Calendar predicts that the world will end on December 21,
2012. Be sure to have your camera ready and your batteries charged.
--



http://www.chunsum.com
http://www.pbase.com/chunsum
http://www.pbase.com/chunsum/brendon
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9
--

The Mayan Calendar predicts that the world will end on December 21, 2012. Be sure to have your camera ready and your batteries charged.
 
He writes lots of rubbish, we can't do anything against it, if he
was posting here we could correct him and report him but this
thread is really wasting our time, it is pointless. We will neither
get an answer as why he does it nor will we stop him.

It was almost inevitable that somebody who writes up such an amount
of rubbish and publishes it in such an irresponsible way would
mention freedom of speak on his homepage... many of these folks
desperatly defend this right but do not realize that it is not only
a right but that it also comes with a certain duty. But if people
like this guy decieve people like that many will think about if it
would not be better to limit free speech in order to prevent
deception by such people who state their opinion and limit
understanding of some matter very strong and as a fact. So in
reality what he does is pretty counterproductive to his support for
the "stop censorship" campaign...

--
http://www.pbase.com/dgross (work in progress)
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/dominic_gross_sd10

--

The Mayan Calendar predicts that the world will end on December 21, 2012. Be sure to have your camera ready and your batteries charged.
 
An interesting analogy, Martin. Sounds possible ... but maybe it's just a social-psychological phenomenon. At any rate ... I like your solution!

-pvs
I did a bit of research today, on that SIGMASD10.COM site as well
as this new "Fair and Balanced View of the Sigma SD10", and found
that they are both the demon-spawn an individual named Steven M.
Scharf, registered as:

The Nordic Group
P.O Box 467
Cupertino, CA 95015-0467
[email protected]
(408) 202-7910

I am quite surprised, as I thought these two similar sites were
going to belong to Ken Rockwell, but unless the Scharf name is an
alias, they are different people.

Does anyone on the forum know ... What is this guy's problem? And
why is he out to spread negative (and not at all honest) publicity
regarding Sigma and Foveon? What's worse, is that he seems to have
good contacts with Google, since he gets these lying webpages to
display very high in their result listings, and that is often not
an easy thing to do, even for legitimate sites that offer TRUE
information.

He also mentions this forum in particular, stating that WE post a
lot of mis-information.

So, does anyone know what his problem is? Did he get burned by
Sigma or Foveon in the past? He claims to own stock in Foveon, but
I doubt that myself, because every time I searched that avenue,
Foveon wasn't selling stock to private entities.

I'm confused as to why anyone would take the time, trouble, or
$4.99 to attack a company and/or product with this type of
slanderous, misguided, one-sided, and repetitive drivel. What the
heck is he afraid of?

Anyone wish to take a stab at his motivation?
-pvs

--
The Mayan Calendar predicts that the world will end on December 21,
2012. Be sure to have your camera ready and your batteries charged.
--
-- Martin
http://manicimaging.com
--

The Mayan Calendar predicts that the world will end on December 21, 2012. Be sure to have your camera ready and your batteries charged.
 
I am quite surprised, as I thought these two similar sites were
going to belong to Ken Rockwell, but unless the Scharf name is an
alias, they are different people.
I have not now, nor have I ever been, Ken Rockwell. I have seen his site, and he presents solid and logical arguments as well.
Does anyone on the forum know ... What is this guy's problem?
The "problem" is that there were a couple of people on rec.photo.digital, posting under many aliases, that were spreading a lot of misinformation about the Sigma D-SLRs. There were literally thousands of responses correcting the misinformation that was posted; I simply gathered the coherent responses together into a single location. Initially, there was some concern about people being misled by Steve Gionovella and his imaginary friends, though this fear was overblown.
And
why is he out to spread negative (and not at all honest) publicity
regarding Sigma and Foveon?
I am not aware of any incorrect or dishonest information on my site. I have made numerous corrections in response to feedback that I have received, though most of the corrections were very minor nitpicks. Certainly there is a lot of negative information on the site, but all of it is accurate, as far as I know. And I'm happy to correct anything that isn't accurate.
What's worse, is that he seems to have
good contacts with Google, since he gets these lying webpages to
display very high in their result listings, and that is often not
an easy thing to do, even for legitimate sites that offer TRUE
information.
I have no contacts within Google. Google result listings are all automated, and Google doesn't disclose the algorithms for obvious reasons. I have some very esoteric and popular sites that come up high in the listings because there are few sites presenting the same subject. And while I realize that a few individuals in this forum may not agree, my sites are legitimate and do offer true information (as well as informed opinion).

If you have a different view, then I suggest that you create your own site that presents it. I'll be happy to link to it. In fact I'll even host it for you for free, as long as the material presented in it is factual and well-referenced, and not simply personal attacks. I have no axe to grind.
He also mentions this forum in particular, stating that WE post a
lot of mis-information.
Yes, I do state this. Not everyone here posts mis-information, but there are several frequent posters on this forum that continually post misinformation, i.e. "DaSigmaGuy."
So, does anyone know what his problem is? Did he get burned by
Sigma or Foveon in the past?
I have not been burned by either company. In fact I had great respect for Foveon in their days of studio cameras (Canon lens mount, prism, three sensors). I hope that they are able to bring a higher resolution version of their sensor to market as soon as possible.
He claims to own stock in Foveon, but
I doubt that myself, because every time I searched that avenue,
Foveon wasn't selling stock to private entities.
I do not claim to own stock in Foveon. Read the statement in the disclaimer again.
I'm confused as to why anyone would take the time, trouble, or
$4.99 to attack a company and/or product with this type of
slanderous, misguided, one-sided, and repetitive drivel. What the
heck is he afraid of?
Don't be confused. The $5 is insignificant. I wanted a logically named URL. I obviously don't share your view of the content on the page, nor do most people who are able to view things objectively. I took great care to be accurate, fair, and balanced. I do understand why the content on the page upsets some people; there is a natural defensiveness when someone explains why a product you own may not be the optimal choice in a given product category.
Anyone wish to take a stab at his motivation?
How about me? The motivation was to provide accurate information and to discredit people such as Steve Gionovella (aka George Preddy, Georgette Preddy, Oroville Wright, Suzie Quinn, Don Gentile, Lex Mathews, etc.). I believe that the site has accomplished that goal. rec.photo.digital is being destroyed by trolls like Steve Gionovella, though the people that respond to him are partially to blame as well, and I have kill-filed him, and all his aliases to avoid any temptation to respond. I felt that the web site was a much more effective way to get the facts out.

Finally, I do not hate you, or anyone else in this forum. You are taking this too seriously It's just a camera.
The Mayan Calendar predicts that the world will end on December 21,
2012. Be sure to have your camera ready and your batteries charged.
Preferable Li-Ion batteries.
 
In fact I'll even host it for you for free, as long as the material presented in it is factual and well-referenced
What a nice and lawyerly way to weasel out of that one . . . Now who thinks that if there was a site that ran counter to Steve's that he would deem it factual and well-referenced and host it? It's nice of Steve to offer. But I've a feeling that he ahead of time does not believe any information that runs contrary to his opinions could be fact: hence no hosting.
 
I did a bit of research today, on that SIGMASD10.COM site as well
as this new "Fair and Balanced View of the Sigma SD10", and found
that they are both the demon-spawn an individual named Steven M.
Scharf, registered as:

The Nordic Group
P.O Box 467
Cupertino, CA 95015-0467
[email protected]
(408) 202-7910
The guy has earlier vresions of his pages at geocitie (not the Sigma stuff though).

I checked out his business name (Nordic Group) and there's no registered business by that name in the county that contains Cupertino. Which is probably why he makes such a point of saying he has nothing for sale.

As for beefs - he did say he was a "foveon investor", a claim I doubt mightily.

His site would not be so bad, but he has some things just plain wrong. Almost none of his links for pixel definition work, and he says the SD10 has no flash sync at all! What kind of data is that? It's one thing to subtly twist facts from reviews to suit an end, but towards the end he just resorts to fabrications. Like saying that the entry level Sigma lenses were far worse than entry level Canon glass.

It looks like he's just another crackpot that will drop off the face of the earth afer a while. That he started out at Geocities speaks volumes about him.

--
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http://www.pbase.com/kgelner
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
My Week (updated weekly): http://www.pbase.com/kgelner/my_week
 
I did a bit of research today, on that SIGMASD10.COM site as well
as this new "Fair and Balanced View of the Sigma SD10", and found
that they are both the demon-spawn an individual named Steven M.
Scharf, registered as:

The Nordic Group
P.O Box 467
Cupertino, CA 95015-0467
[email protected]
(408) 202-7910

I am quite surprised, as I thought these two similar sites were
going to belong to Ken Rockwell, but unless the Scharf name is an
alias, they are different people.

Does anyone on the forum know ... What is this guy's problem? And
why is he out to spread negative (and not at all honest) publicity
regarding Sigma and Foveon? What's worse, is that he seems to have
good contacts with Google, since he gets these lying webpages to
display very high in their result listings, and that is often not
an easy thing to do, even for legitimate sites that offer TRUE
information.

He also mentions this forum in particular, stating that WE post a
lot of mis-information.

So, does anyone know what his problem is? Did he get burned by
Sigma or Foveon in the past? He claims to own stock in Foveon, but
I doubt that myself, because every time I searched that avenue,
Foveon wasn't selling stock to private entities.

I'm confused as to why anyone would take the time, trouble, or
$4.99 to attack a company and/or product with this type of
slanderous, misguided, one-sided, and repetitive drivel. What the
heck is he afraid of?

Anyone wish to take a stab at his motivation?
-pvs

--
The Mayan Calendar predicts that the world will end on December 21,
2012. Be sure to have your camera ready and your batteries charged.
--
Peace: Jarvic7

'Blessed are those drowsy ones: for they shall soon nod to sleep'.
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7
 
I am quite surprised, as I thought these two similar sites were
going to belong to Ken Rockwell, but unless the Scharf name is an
alias, they are different people.
I have not now, nor have I ever been, Ken Rockwell. I have seen his
site, and he presents solid and logical arguments as well.
Does anyone on the forum know ... What is this guy's problem?
The "problem" is that there were a couple of people on
rec.photo.digital, posting under many aliases, that were spreading
a lot of misinformation about the Sigma D-SLRs. There were
literally thousands of responses correcting the misinformation that
was posted; I simply gathered the coherent responses together into
a single location. Initially, there was some concern about people
being misled by Steve Gionovella and his imaginary friends, though
this fear was overblown.
And
why is he out to spread negative (and not at all honest) publicity
regarding Sigma and Foveon?
I am not aware of any incorrect or dishonest information on my
site. I have made numerous corrections in response to feedback that
I have received, though most of the corrections were very minor
nitpicks. Certainly there is a lot of negative information on the
site, but all of it is accurate, as far as I know. And I'm happy to
correct anything that isn't accurate.
without rereading your page some things come to my mind.

Start with that resolution thing and the FACT that a 6mp CFA Camera can not give you 6 million spatially distinct pixels. Furthermore you might add that in real world conditions (i.e. not the biased black and white BUT also not the biased colored MTF charts) the resolution is on the same level for a 6mp CFA and a 3.4mp X3. On a black and white chart or anything else that can be picked up by all sensors of the CFA (no matter if green, red or blue) the 6mp CFA will have a slight advantage, if there is lets say a lot of red detail (a flower maybe?) in the picture the 3.4mp X3 will have a rather big advantage and so on.

Tha aliasing is not seen as disadvantage by anyone, infact a lot of people stated that they rather want to have aliased details than no details. Seeing it in the way present by people it is rather a matter of taste.

Your printsize argument does not hold up very well in reality, the files can be printed really big without much problems, jaggies don't show up in every Image and depending on the upsampling algorithm it is only a very minor problem.

While you are at it fix the part about shutter and prefocus lag, imaging-resource has very accurate tests on that and I can't see a big difference (if any) between the 10D and the SD10.

If you are talking about processing, the auto mode in SPP does an ok job. Granted that it sometimes it needs help but you could also mention the time CFA users invest into getting the latest sharpening tools and using them :) I am always amazed to see the amount of talk about that in other Forums.
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http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/dominic_gross_sd10

 
Why do you have a hotmail account if you have so many hosted sites with A Rec domain registries? Too much veiling going on here.
I am quite surprised, as I thought these two similar sites were
going to belong to Ken Rockwell, but unless the Scharf name is an
alias, they are different people.
I have not now, nor have I ever been, Ken Rockwell. I have seen his
site, and he presents solid and logical arguments as well.
Does anyone on the forum know ... What is this guy's problem?
The "problem" is that there were a couple of people on
rec.photo.digital, posting under many aliases, that were spreading
a lot of misinformation about the Sigma D-SLRs. There were
literally thousands of responses correcting the misinformation that
was posted; I simply gathered the coherent responses together into
a single location. Initially, there was some concern about people
being misled by Steve Gionovella and his imaginary friends, though
this fear was overblown.
And
why is he out to spread negative (and not at all honest) publicity
regarding Sigma and Foveon?
I am not aware of any incorrect or dishonest information on my
site. I have made numerous corrections in response to feedback that
I have received, though most of the corrections were very minor
nitpicks. Certainly there is a lot of negative information on the
site, but all of it is accurate, as far as I know. And I'm happy to
correct anything that isn't accurate.
What's worse, is that he seems to have
good contacts with Google, since he gets these lying webpages to
display very high in their result listings, and that is often not
an easy thing to do, even for legitimate sites that offer TRUE
information.
I have no contacts within Google. Google result listings are all
automated, and Google doesn't disclose the algorithms for obvious
reasons. I have some very esoteric and popular sites that come up
high in the listings because there are few sites presenting the
same subject. And while I realize that a few individuals in this
forum may not agree, my sites are legitimate and do offer true
information (as well as informed opinion).

If you have a different view, then I suggest that you create your
own site that presents it. I'll be happy to link to it. In fact
I'll even host it for you for free, as long as the material
presented in it is factual and well-referenced, and not simply
personal attacks. I have no axe to grind.
He also mentions this forum in particular, stating that WE post a
lot of mis-information.
Yes, I do state this. Not everyone here posts mis-information, but
there are several frequent posters on this forum that continually
post misinformation, i.e. "DaSigmaGuy."
So, does anyone know what his problem is? Did he get burned by
Sigma or Foveon in the past?
I have not been burned by either company. In fact I had great
respect for Foveon in their days of studio cameras (Canon lens
mount, prism, three sensors). I hope that they are able to bring a
higher resolution version of their sensor to market as soon as
possible.
He claims to own stock in Foveon, but
I doubt that myself, because every time I searched that avenue,
Foveon wasn't selling stock to private entities.
I do not claim to own stock in Foveon. Read the statement in the
disclaimer again.
I'm confused as to why anyone would take the time, trouble, or
$4.99 to attack a company and/or product with this type of
slanderous, misguided, one-sided, and repetitive drivel. What the
heck is he afraid of?
Don't be confused. The $5 is insignificant. I wanted a logically
named URL. I obviously don't share your view of the content on the
page, nor do most people who are able to view things objectively. I
took great care to be accurate, fair, and balanced. I do understand
why the content on the page upsets some people; there is a natural
defensiveness when someone explains why a product you own may not
be the optimal choice in a given product category.
Anyone wish to take a stab at his motivation?
How about me? The motivation was to provide accurate information
and to discredit people such as Steve Gionovella (aka George
Preddy, Georgette Preddy, Oroville Wright, Suzie Quinn, Don
Gentile, Lex Mathews, etc.). I believe that the site has
accomplished that goal. rec.photo.digital is being destroyed by
trolls like Steve Gionovella, though the people that respond to him
are partially to blame as well, and I have kill-filed him, and all
his aliases to avoid any temptation to respond. I felt that the web
site was a much more effective way to get the facts out.

Finally, I do not hate you, or anyone else in this forum. You are
taking this too seriously It's just a camera.
The Mayan Calendar predicts that the world will end on December 21,
2012. Be sure to have your camera ready and your batteries charged.
Preferable Li-Ion batteries.
 
Kendall,

Interesting. I spent a few minutes doing some fast paced forensics work myself (heavy background in internet security for starters) and some big, hairy, gaping holes blew up instantly all over the place. Too numerous and boring to place here. So found your bit of discovery interesting as I did a few mins of it meself. It has placed the identity attached to the Nordic Group, sigmasd10.com, Steve Scharf, and a slew of other associations to this stuff, in the "invalid/lacks credibility box". Whoever put that site and stuff together and... if they are the same person who wrote the message earlier in this forum... they are committing the same sins as the people on those listserves he/she/it claim to be debunking and saving the world of misinformation from....

Just do a google associated to the email address in the DNS A rec. Enough there to give pause and put in the "non credible" discard box.

Besides, I've taken shots with the cameras and like what it gives me, so what do I care he/she/it says?

david
I did a bit of research today, on that SIGMASD10.COM site as well
as this new "Fair and Balanced View of the Sigma SD10", and found
that they are both the demon-spawn an individual named Steven M.
Scharf, registered as:

The Nordic Group
P.O Box 467
Cupertino, CA 95015-0467
[email protected]
(408) 202-7910
The guy has earlier vresions of his pages at geocitie (not the
Sigma stuff though).

I checked out his business name (Nordic Group) and there's no
registered business by that name in the county that contains
Cupertino. Which is probably why he makes such a point of saying
he has nothing for sale.

As for beefs - he did say he was a "foveon investor", a claim I
doubt mightily.

His site would not be so bad, but he has some things just plain
wrong. Almost none of his links for pixel definition work, and he
says the SD10 has no flash sync at all! What kind of data is that?
It's one thing to subtly twist facts from reviews to suit an end,
but towards the end he just resorts to fabrications. Like saying
that the entry level Sigma lenses were far worse than entry level
Canon glass.

It looks like he's just another crackpot that will drop off the
face of the earth afer a while. That he started out at Geocities
speaks volumes about him.

--
---> Kendall
http://www.pbase.com/kgelner
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/user_home
My Week (updated weekly): http://www.pbase.com/kgelner/my_week
--
Take great shots.

Support - http://www.foveonx3.org
Digital Frame - http://www.giphantie.com
Gallery- http://david.oldcolo.com/gallery/sd9
Pbase - http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/david_hughes_sd10
 
Just do a google associated to the email address in the DNS A rec.
Enough there to give pause and put in the "non credible" discard
box.

Besides, I've taken shots with the cameras and like what it gives
me, so what do I care he/she/it says?
Agreed, if the camera does what it needs who can gainsay it?

After a brief goole search, this usenet post by Schraf pretty much explains his whole point for existance I think:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=870461856.6502%40dejanews.com

To summarize:

'It doesn't matter if they're saying good things about you, or bad
things. The important thing is that they are always talking about you.'

--
---> Kendall
http://www.pbase.com/kgelner
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My Week (updated weekly): http://www.pbase.com/kgelner/my_week
 
Touche'. Get 'em talking. You bet. Some people will do anything. 15 minutes, er, something.

david
Just do a google associated to the email address in the DNS A rec.
Enough there to give pause and put in the "non credible" discard
box.

Besides, I've taken shots with the cameras and like what it gives
me, so what do I care he/she/it says?
Agreed, if the camera does what it needs who can gainsay it?

After a brief goole search, this usenet post by Schraf pretty much
explains his whole point for existance I think:

http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=en&lr=&ie=UTF-8&selm=870461856.6502%40dejanews.com

To summarize:

'It doesn't matter if they're saying good things about you, or bad
things. The important thing is that they are always talking about
you.'

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