10D replacement 6mp

Does anyone have any information about the dynamic range of the new
10D, especially in JPEG? When I shoot a scene with a lot of
different kind of lighting in JPEG, the 10D tends to blow out
hightlight, which is what I reallly hate to see :-).
How in the world would anyone know that yet?
By the way, does anyone here have experiences with the dynamic
range on the 1D Mark II and 1Ds? I wonder if these higher end
models perform better on this dynamic range feature.
Might want to ask on the 1D/1Ds forum.

Mark
 
That's not even GOOD photoshop work.... Pathetic. That's complete
BS. Trust me, there's no 10DN. It'll be called the 20D, NOT the
D20.

If you want smoother ISO 800, buy a Mark II. If you want less
blown highlights, shoot RAW. End of story.

kdo
Well, I didn't really take it too seriously. I'll simply wait untill the camera is announced by Canon and till then I will simply (and happily) shoot analog. Also: iTunes and GPS???

For me, there's no immediate rush, but next year I have to go digital (last festival I had to wait two weeks to be able to deliver all photos as development of films took just too much time and every negative had to be scanned and edited). I'd prefer a camera that will work decently in low light conditions (good AF and not too much noise) and can handle 1600 and possibly even 3200 ISO.

Klaas
 
a friend who is working in a foto store had this morning an
announcement
from canon that 10d replacement will be a 6mp camera with 45points
AFsystem ....................................big big big
dissapoinment.
--With all due respect to your friend, not even the Canon reps know the specs of the new camera. It will be shown to them at their national sales meeting, the second week of August.
yankee
 
I am not sure why having more pixels is so great. I print to A3
and 30x20 and would not wish to go any larger. I do not think many
here print bigger either.

Surely the only thing that a bigger mp camera does for you is
forces you to upgrade your pc, compact flash cards etc and cost you
a whole load more money. I hope they do not upgrade the 10D for
another year!

Thats my gripe.

M
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a friend who is working in a foto store had this morning an
announcement
from canon that 10d replacement will be a 6mp camera with 45points
AFsystem ....................................big big big
dissapoinment.
 
I've been searching around for the best prices for either a 300D or 10D. I decided to contact Canon UK just to make sure that warranty is supported if I purchased an import model from a UK site.

The discussion went from why companies are importing due to low stocks to.. and there are new models on the way very shortly for both 10D and 300D.

Now I'm scratching my head what to buy...... or of course wait but then... what is "Shortly". If the announcements are planned for Photokina then we're talking 28th Sept with actual product probably around November.
 
lungli, that sounds more like a JPEG compression issue. i notice that when i shoot RAW, there's a LOT more detail especially in the v dark and v light areas.

when you convert to the tiff, remember to use 16bit, so there's more data in the highlights.

Gareth
 
It would make sense to update both of the 10D and 300d at the same time with their new chip is.

Lets face it, both cameras have distinct advantages, i use both. Times when I don't want a big camera, I take the 300D, other times I'll take the 10d when it would be more appropriate. There is very little in output to seperate them. The build quality of the 300d isn't anything to match the 10D, but then that's classed as a pro body. In just under a year, it has one small scratch and no scuffs and it's shot 15200 shots so far.

I can see sense in Canon updating both at the same time. That way neither camera steals sales from either's customer cache. Although I'd be a little peeved as I bought my 300d only 10 months ago!

To be frank an 8mp 1.6x crop just wouldn't do it for me. i'm sure there's plenty of over debted tech heads who have to own the latest gear, fine go buy and tell us what they are like. I'm happy with my set up at the moment. Maybe 8mp 1.3x crop would, but not the 1.6x.

I'm just hoping the next 10d is a little smaller, with a better viewfinder (I can't stand the 10d's view finder, the 300d seems a little better oddly).

Gareth
 
To quote you:

"I was responding to the idea that you can't shoot flight shots with only 7 autofocus points which is rediculous. If you can't keep the focus point over the subject then you need to try a new technique, that's all i'm saying. Some people expect the camera to lock focus on the bird with all 45 focus points active, that will happen if the sky is the background, but not if the background is a bunch of trees. The camera can't do it all for you."

To respond:

1) I never said you can't shoot in flight birds with a 7 point system, I said it was much more difficult and frustrating than with a 45 point system. I stand by my opinion that a 7 point Af system is not the best for in flight shots and that a 45 point system is vastly superior. I am not at all being "ridiculous." If you really feel that way please read other threads on the 7 point AF system and shooting moving subjects on other forums such as naturescape, naturephotographers, rob galbraith, and the article by Artie Morris on his birds as art site and well as his bulletins.

2) About technique - I'm constantly working on it and will be until I stop making photos.

3) I resent the suggestion that you think I expect the camera to "do it all for me". Now, that's ridiculous. I am only pointing out that the 7 point Af system, for me, is greatly lacking when it comes to in flight bird photography.

CHeers
One AF point dead in the center compromises your freedom to compose
pictures in situations where the photographer must act quickly.
While i like the idea of having 45 autofocus points to choose from
i would never have all active for shooting flight shots of birds,
unless of course you just want a shot like this



, but i still wouldn't use all focus points in this situation
because i don't need them. Now i may choose three: center and one
to the right and left.

I was responding to the idea that you can't shoot flight shots with
only 7 autofocus points which is rediculous. If you can't keep the
focus point over the subject then you need to try a new technique,
that's all i'm saying. Some people expect the camera to lock
focus on the bird with all 45 focus points active, that will happen
if the sky is the background, but not if the background is a bunch
of trees. The camera can't do it all for you.
Tim C.
I'm not at all discrediting anyone. What makes you say that?

My ideas, which come from owning a 10D since the week they were
available and using it quite extensively for critter photography
ever since, may be silly to you but not to me and many others who
are frustrated with the 10D's AF system, especially with regard to
moving subjects. I'm happy to hear that you get an 85% keeper
rate. If I can get the AF to actually lock on an in flight subject
I prolly get the same rate but hell, I find just getting the AF to
lock on in flight birds quite a challenge.

Have you tried a 1D or 1D Mk II for in flight images? Please do so
and get back to me concerning the ability of the 1D/1D MK II 45
point system vs. the 10D 7 point system. The difference is pretty
wild.

And just for the record, I really do like my 10D. (Aside from the
clunky, imprecise AF, delayed "on" and lack of an ISO setting
display in the viewfinder).

Cheers from critter central.
Achilles heel of the 10D is it's focusing. It's
useless for such things as birds in flight
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GiGo
If you need 45 then i suggest you work on your technique. More AF
points would be helpfull for a bird against a blue sky, but that
gets old real fast. 45 focus points for me would mean 44 more
chances for the camera to focus on the background so i would still
choose only one.

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--
Tim J.Y. Chong

'Photography is bringing order out of chaos.' - Ansel Adams
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http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/root

 
Sickening to think that both the D60 and the 10D are based on the Eos 33 (Elan 7e) which is still a better camera (ignoring it's lack of digital capacity!).

Personally I'm hopng to see a better camera rather than extra MegaPixels.

The AF speed and the sensor spots need to be custom fitted to the 1.6 crop and not ripped out of a full frame film SLR (as in the 10D, 300D and D60) or the spots are massive in the view finder, leading to focus issues.

Ditch that rear wheel and go for the 300d buttons, much quicker. The Eos 30 has both! So why can't we?

A view finder that shows 100% coverage of the cropped sensor. Lets face it, we've lost a lot of the view finder already because of the crop. An enlarged view finder because I find the tiny view finder really hard to line up and to check depth of field with. It's pertty poor.
 
Yet again I've had too many shots riuned because the 7 point system is incapable of deciding on what to focus on. My EOS 3 was supremely reliable.

I can't wait to get rid of my current Canon. The 7 point system for me has been a complete disaster.

If this rumour is true could it be that Canon does care about the middle market after all?

We'll see - there have been many times in the last six months I would gladly have switched system if there had been a viable alternative.
 
Hmm I know what you mean. I use just the centre point myself and if I have to I'll manually choose which point to use. I used to point hold and move the centre spot, but that messes up the metering, so then I have to dial in some compensation. It's a lot easier to choose which point I'll need as I'm bringing the camera to my eye.

My Eos 30 film camera has seven AF points and on that camera the AF is a lot lot better. Especially when it's eye controlled. I think the AF sensors on the 10D/D60/D30 are taken from the film camera's sensors and as a result they're 1.6x too big. Sometimes the camera can't descide what to focus on because there are multiple targets within it's AF zone.

Gareth
 
To quote you:

"I was responding to the idea that you can't shoot flight shots
with only 7 autofocus points which is rediculous. If you can't keep
the focus point over the subject then you need to try a new
technique, that's all i'm saying. Some people expect the camera to
lock focus on the bird with all 45 focus points active, that will
happen if the sky is the background, but not if the background is a
bunch of trees. The camera can't do it all for you."

To respond:

1) I never said you can't shoot in flight birds with a 7 point
system, I said it was much more difficult and frustrating than with
a 45 point system. I stand by my opinion that a 7 point Af system
is not the best for in flight shots and that a 45 point system is
vastly superior. I am not at all being "ridiculous." If you really
feel that way please read other threads on the 7 point AF system
and shooting moving subjects on other forums such as naturescape,
naturephotographers, rob galbraith, and the article by Artie Morris
on his birds as art site and well as his bulletins.

2) About technique - I'm constantly working on it and will be until
I stop making photos.

3) I resent the suggestion that you think I expect the camera to
"do it all for me". Now, that's ridiculous. I am only pointing
out that the 7 point Af system, for me, is greatly lacking when it
comes to in flight bird photography.

CHeers
Why do you think it is so lacking, useless for flight shots? My understanding is that you want the camera to pick the 1 out of 45 focus points that is over the bird, if it could do that every time then my grandmother could take flight shots assuming she could keep the bird in the frame.

Again if you are shooting birds against the sky then the extra 38 focus points would help, but if you have background in your shot like this



then the extra 38 focus points are just 38 more chances for the camera to focus on something other than the bird. So i ask you, would you expect the camera to pick a focus point/points over the bird in this shot with all 45 points active, using Ai servo or whatever focus mode you choose? If your answer is yes then i think you expect to much of the camera.

I get Art morris's news letter by the way and value his opinion, but i don't take it as fact just because he's a professional nature photographer. I can get just as good flight shots with the digital rebel and it's 7 point system as he does with the 1dMkII and the 45 point focus, the only thing holding me back is the shutter lag on the rebel.

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Again if you are shooting birds against the sky then the extra 38
focus points would help, but if you have background in your shot
like this

http://mk29.image.pbase.com/u41/paulyoly/upload/26751148.ospreyfish8.jpg

then the extra 38 focus points are just 38 more chances for the
camera to focus on something other than the bird. So i ask you,
would you expect the camera to pick a focus point/points over the
bird in this shot with all 45 points active, using Ai servo or
whatever focus mode you choose? If your answer is yes then i think
you expect to much of the camera.
You make comments about the 45 point AF system, and I can tell your experience is influenced by Rebel experience. I can tell you that the 1D series are NIGHT AND DAY better than the Rebel for NOT locking onto the contrasty background behind a bird. The Rebel will lock on to background to the point of almost being useless in 7 point mode. It will not leave the background unless you take your finger off, then re-aquire. The 1D series in 45 point mode, is way different. It will lock on the bird and stay on the bird even if the trees or whatever contrasty item is in the background.

Quite simply the 45 point system seems to demonstrate intelligence while the 7 point system appears to have none.
I get Art morris's news letter by the way and value his opinion,
but i don't take it as fact just because he's a professional nature
photographer. I can get just as good flight shots with the digital
rebel and it's 7 point system as he does with the 1dMkII and the 45
point focus, the only thing holding me back is the shutter lag on
the rebel.
With my D60 I could get 8 and 16 shot bursts dead on in focus with the D60 and a single AF point. I never used the 3 AF points. With the Rebel I had no choice, but I would have loved to just use the center point. I hated multi-point AF as much as the next guy for focusing on the wrong thigns. Given all that, there are many times (even with contrasty backgrounds) that I could not have gotten all the shots I get with the 45 point system and I love it. If I want to switch to single point AF system I can do that in 1/5th of a second with the 1DII as well, which is quite nice.

Also, unlike the 7 point AF system, you can customize things so for instance if the center AF point doesn't have anything to AF on the 7 points around it can function, which are in a nice tight area. You can customize how quickly it responds to something at a different focus plane, since your real subject can not perform a step change in distance.

Jason

P.S. Here's a sample of what you can do a few minutes after trying the 45 point system for the first time for bird tracking. Not intended to be a good photo, just one where trees are right behind the subject. The camera will most often track the bird even as it goes right up to its nest without locking on the background. Just a few minutes earlier I was using my digital rebel, which together with my control was failing miserably by locking on the background. With the 1D it was night and day different, just push the button and fire.



 
Jason Hutchinson wrote:
[snip]

I would love this on a 10D replacement, but it sounds like this trump card will saty on the 1D series cameras.
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Yet again I've had too many shots riuned because the 7 point system
is incapable of deciding on what to focus on. My EOS 3 was
supremely reliable.

I can't wait to get rid of my current Canon. The 7 point system for
me has been a complete disaster.
The 7-point system is OK on the film cameras, because it occupies center part of the frame. On the digital cameras with 1.6 sensor, it's simply 1.6 times as large and maybe 1.6 times less precise. This is due to the fact that the AF sensors are exactly the same.
 
My Eos 30 film camera has seven AF points and on that camera the AF
is a lot lot better. Especially when it's eye controlled. I think
the AF sensors on the 10D/D60/D30 are taken from the film camera's
sensors and as a result they're 1.6x too big. Sometimes the camera
can't descide what to focus on because there are multiple targets
within it's AF zone.
Exactly, half of my out-of-focus shots are becaus of invalid point selection. This is annoying.

What's worse, such a solution can also cause focusing errors that many users are encountering with their 10D, because the sensor resolves 1.6 less detail. The same number of pixels in the AF sensor has to deal with the AF point area that is larger in regard to the actual frame size...
 
Maybe but I heard about the D70 from my local camera store owner about 10 days after Canon shipped the 300D. He even had the release month correct.

Good authoriized stores do hear things. Now the question is, has Canon really briefed their field team who would then tell the stores. This I don't know, I think if they had we would be hearing much better rumors than what we are hearing right now.

Ed
a friend who is working in a foto store had this morning an
announcement
from canon that 10d replacement will be a 6mp camera with 45points
AFsystem ....................................big big big
dissapoinment.
Hold the phone!!!!! In fact, I just received a phone call from my
local Photo store source, and they told me that the new 10D will
have a 12megapixel sensor, and will have 239 point AF. Wow! I'm
going to line up so I can get the 1st one. It'll make everyone a
MUCH better photographer. You better start buying hard drives! 12
megapixel! Wow! All of the 1Dmk2 buyers are going to be upset.
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Ed
http://www.cbrycelea.com/photos/
 

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