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Has anyone compared the overall cost of ownership of the Canon 8200 or S800 with an Epson 890? I know the Canon allows the replacement of individual cartridges, which seems to be a neat idea, but then I looked at the prices of cartridges.

From a sampling at outpost.com, the cartridge prices seem to be as follows (prices are rounded to nearest dollar):

EPSON 890 Canon 8200/S800
Black: $20 Black: $12
Colour: $27 Cyan: $13
Magenta: $13
Yellow: $13
Photo Cyan: $14
Photo Magenta: $14

Total: $47 Total: $79

That's a pretty big difference for total replacement costs! Now, what I haven't been able to figure out is cartridge life, ie. how many prints you get on cartridges. But, it seems that as long as Canon doesn't get twice as many pages than the Epson before replacement, the Epson actually wins on cost, even though the carts do waste ink.

Then, there is the question of paper... the Canon seems to only work well on some more expensive papers (ie. Canon Photo Paper Pro) vs. Epson which seems to work on a wider variety of papers... But this seems to be a much smaller cost difference overall than the inks!

So, how about it? Anyone have the numbers I need to plug in to make the cost analysis work?

-Jonathan
 
Jonathan said:
Has anyone compared the overall cost of ownership of the Canon 8200
or S800 with an Epson 890? I know the Canon allows the replacement
of individual cartridges, which seems to be a neat idea, but then I
looked at the prices of cartridges.

From a sampling at outpost.com, the cartridge prices seem to be as
follows (prices are rounded to nearest dollar):

EPSON 890 Canon 8200/S800
Black: $20 Black: $12
Colour: $27 Cyan: $13
Magenta: $13
Yellow: $13
Photo Cyan: $14
Photo Magenta: $14

Total: $47 Total: $79
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I'd be interested in the results as I'm in the market for a new printer & can't decide between a Canon or Epson atm :(

Cheers Shultz.
Member said:
That's a pretty big difference for total replacement costs! Now,
what I haven't been able to figure out is cartridge life, ie. how
many prints you get on cartridges. But, it seems that as long as
Canon doesn't get twice as many pages than the Epson before
replacement, the Epson actually wins on cost, even though the carts
do waste ink.

Then, there is the question of paper... the Canon seems to only
work well on some more expensive papers (ie. Canon Photo Paper Pro)
vs. Epson which seems to work on a wider variety of papers... But
this seems to be a much smaller cost difference overall than the
inks!

So, how about it? Anyone have the numbers I need to plug in to
make the cost analysis work?

-Jonathan
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You can expect the Canon cartridges to last over 70 8x10 prints with increased ink intensity. They seem to last between 70 and 110 prints for each cartridge. You can find much better prices for the Canon inks too.
Shultz said:
Jonathan said:
Has anyone compared the overall cost of ownership of the Canon 8200
or S800 with an Epson 890? I know the Canon allows the replacement
of individual cartridges, which seems to be a neat idea, but then I
looked at the prices of cartridges.

From a sampling at outpost.com, the cartridge prices seem to be as
follows (prices are rounded to nearest dollar):

EPSON 890 Canon 8200/S800
Black: $20 Black: $12
Colour: $27 Cyan: $13
Magenta: $13
Yellow: $13
Photo Cyan: $14
Photo Magenta: $14

Total: $47 Total: $79
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I'd be interested in the results as I'm in the market for a new
printer & can't decide between a Canon or Epson atm :(

Cheers Shultz.
Buzby said:
That's a pretty big difference for total replacement costs! Now,
what I haven't been able to figure out is cartridge life, ie. how
many prints you get on cartridges. But, it seems that as long as
Canon doesn't get twice as many pages than the Epson before
replacement, the Epson actually wins on cost, even though the carts
do waste ink.

Then, there is the question of paper... the Canon seems to only
work well on some more expensive papers (ie. Canon Photo Paper Pro)
vs. Epson which seems to work on a wider variety of papers... But
this seems to be a much smaller cost difference overall than the
inks!

So, how about it? Anyone have the numbers I need to plug in to
make the cost analysis work?

-Jonathan
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Sorry, make that 70 - 110 8.5x11 photo prints. The Canon printer is a little more picky about the types of paper it uses (at least for the 8200--I have not experimented with the new inks), but there are quite a few alternatives.
dgrogers said:
Shultz said:
Jonathan said:
Has anyone compared the overall cost of ownership of the Canon 8200
or S800 with an Epson 890? I know the Canon allows the replacement
of individual cartridges, which seems to be a neat idea, but then I
looked at the prices of cartridges.

From a sampling at outpost.com, the cartridge prices seem to be as
follows (prices are rounded to nearest dollar):

EPSON 890 Canon 8200/S800
Black: $20 Black: $12
Colour: $27 Cyan: $13
Magenta: $13
Yellow: $13
Photo Cyan: $14
Photo Magenta: $14

Total: $47 Total: $79
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I'd be interested in the results as I'm in the market for a new
printer & can't decide between a Canon or Epson atm :(

Cheers Shultz.
dgrogers said:
That's a pretty big difference for total replacement costs! Now,
what I haven't been able to figure out is cartridge life, ie. how
many prints you get on cartridges. But, it seems that as long as
Canon doesn't get twice as many pages than the Epson before
replacement, the Epson actually wins on cost, even though the carts
do waste ink.

Then, there is the question of paper... the Canon seems to only
work well on some more expensive papers (ie. Canon Photo Paper Pro)
vs. Epson which seems to work on a wider variety of papers... But
this seems to be a much smaller cost difference overall than the
inks!

So, how about it? Anyone have the numbers I need to plug in to
make the cost analysis work?

-Jonathan
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I find the Canon 8200 to be very reasonable on costs because I refill cartridges and each then costs $1 each for a total replacement cost of $6.00. With the different colors running out of ink at different times, it is difficult to measure how many prints per cartridge. A second point, I use the Office Depot glossy paper almost exclusively when printing glossy pictures and the output is excellent. I also use Epson Heavyweight Matte, and a number of the Red River papers. The only paper I have that does not do well in the 8200 is Kodak's glossy.
Shultz said:
Jonathan said:
Has anyone compared the overall cost of ownership of the Canon 8200
or S800 with an Epson 890? I know the Canon allows the replacement
of individual cartridges, which seems to be a neat idea, but then I
looked at the prices of cartridges.

From a sampling at outpost.com, the cartridge prices seem to be as
follows (prices are rounded to nearest dollar):

EPSON 890 Canon 8200/S800
Black: $20 Black: $12
Colour: $27 Cyan: $13
Magenta: $13
Yellow: $13
Photo Cyan: $14
Photo Magenta: $14

Total: $47 Total: $79
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I'd be interested in the results as I'm in the market for a new
printer & can't decide between a Canon or Epson atm :(

Cheers Shultz.
Buzby said:
That's a pretty big difference for total replacement costs! Now,
what I haven't been able to figure out is cartridge life, ie. how
many prints you get on cartridges. But, it seems that as long as
Canon doesn't get twice as many pages than the Epson before
replacement, the Epson actually wins on cost, even though the carts
do waste ink.

Then, there is the question of paper... the Canon seems to only
work well on some more expensive papers (ie. Canon Photo Paper Pro)
vs. Epson which seems to work on a wider variety of papers... But
this seems to be a much smaller cost difference overall than the
inks!

So, how about it? Anyone have the numbers I need to plug in to
make the cost analysis work?

-Jonathan
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The onlhy criteria is quality...if I can't provide the quality to my clients then it would not be worth it if it were free!!!
Cecil said:
Shultz said:
Jonathan said:
Has anyone compared the overall cost of ownership of the Canon 8200
or S800 with an Epson 890? I know the Canon allows the replacement
of individual cartridges, which seems to be a neat idea, but then I
looked at the prices of cartridges.

From a sampling at outpost.com, the cartridge prices seem to be as
follows (prices are rounded to nearest dollar):

EPSON 890 Canon 8200/S800
Black: $20 Black: $12
Colour: $27 Cyan: $13
Magenta: $13
Yellow: $13
Photo Cyan: $14
Photo Magenta: $14

Total: $47 Total: $79
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I'd be interested in the results as I'm in the market for a new
printer & can't decide between a Canon or Epson atm :(

Cheers Shultz.
Cecil35921 said:
That's a pretty big difference for total replacement costs! Now,
what I haven't been able to figure out is cartridge life, ie. how
many prints you get on cartridges. But, it seems that as long as
Canon doesn't get twice as many pages than the Epson before
replacement, the Epson actually wins on cost, even though the carts
do waste ink.

Then, there is the question of paper... the Canon seems to only
work well on some more expensive papers (ie. Canon Photo Paper Pro)
vs. Epson which seems to work on a wider variety of papers... But
this seems to be a much smaller cost difference overall than the
inks!

So, how about it? Anyone have the numbers I need to plug in to
make the cost analysis work?

-Jonathan
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The 8200 and S800 are top quality photo printers, you won't find them lacking in that department.
**** said:
Cecil said:
Shultz said:
Jonathan said:
Has anyone compared the overall cost of ownership of the Canon 8200
or S800 with an Epson 890? I know the Canon allows the replacement
of individual cartridges, which seems to be a neat idea, but then I
looked at the prices of cartridges.

From a sampling at outpost.com, the cartridge prices seem to be as
follows (prices are rounded to nearest dollar):

EPSON 890 Canon 8200/S800
Black: $20 Black: $12
Colour: $27 Cyan: $13
Magenta: $13
Yellow: $13
Photo Cyan: $14
Photo Magenta: $14

Total: $47 Total: $79
Click to expand...
I'd be interested in the results as I'm in the market for a new
printer & can't decide between a Canon or Epson atm :(

Cheers Shultz.
Member said:
That's a pretty big difference for total replacement costs! Now,
what I haven't been able to figure out is cartridge life, ie. how
many prints you get on cartridges. But, it seems that as long as
Canon doesn't get twice as many pages than the Epson before
replacement, the Epson actually wins on cost, even though the carts
do waste ink.

Then, there is the question of paper... the Canon seems to only
work well on some more expensive papers (ie. Canon Photo Paper Pro)
vs. Epson which seems to work on a wider variety of papers... But
this seems to be a much smaller cost difference overall than the
inks!

So, how about it? Anyone have the numbers I need to plug in to
make the cost analysis work?

-Jonathan
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I tend to agree with you, although I'm certainly biased because I have the Epson 1280. Although the Canon has separate ink tanks, there's a debatable amount of cost difference since you are actually paying more for the Canon carts. There is certainly a higher packaging cost with the Canon carts because they are all sold individually. On the other hand, you save some by replacing each color as it runs out - although the savings is really subjective because there are many variables: if you print many prints on the Epson with the same color, you may spend more. But if you print photos with a variety of colors, they will probably stay at approximately the same levels. And I am now able to get about 25% more out of my Epson color carts by doing the very simply and quick chip reset.

All said and done, I'd bet that the difference is neglible. Take into consideration that you'd be changing carts a lot more often on the Canon (since you change each color as it runs out) and I don't think the separate ink tanks is a major selling point, IMO.

Now if the photo quality on the new Canon's is comparable to the Epson's and last as long (without a color shifting problem), then I would say that is more of an advantage.

BUT remember, the orange shift didn't show up on the newer Epson printers for some time after they came out and don't affect everyone. We have no idea how Canon's inks will hold up - the Wilhelm data quoted for the S800 is for lightfastness, not gas fading, etc...

Still, it's good to see competition and I think the current crop of Epson and Canon printers will find themselves in many homes - different strokes for different folks! AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT!!! :-)

Travis
 
As I have heard from friends (no hands on myself, as I have exaktly the same thoughts as you!) is that with the Epson you can handle 25 A4 and with the Canon 75 A4, so the cost should be a little better with the Canon. Not huge though....

What does make a difference is that you can refill the Canon much easier that the Epson! That does make a difference. Saying that, refill kits for the Epsons are coming right now, but will probably never be as easy as the Canon with separate tanks....

I think either printer will make you happy though. Myself I am thinking about a Canon S600 because of is super allround features combined with refill possibilities. The photoprint is not as good as on a s800 or Epson, but from normal viewing distance the negliable. But in normal printing it exels in quality and speed.

Jonas
Jonathan said:
Has anyone compared the overall cost of ownership of the Canon 8200
or S800 with an Epson 890? I know the Canon allows the replacement
of individual cartridges, which seems to be a neat idea, but then I
looked at the prices of cartridges.

From a sampling at outpost.com, the cartridge prices seem to be as
follows (prices are rounded to nearest dollar):

EPSON 890 Canon 8200/S800
Black: $20 Black: $12
Colour: $27 Cyan: $13
Magenta: $13
Yellow: $13
Photo Cyan: $14
Photo Magenta: $14

Total: $47 Total: $79

That's a pretty big difference for total replacement costs! Now,
what I haven't been able to figure out is cartridge life, ie. how
many prints you get on cartridges. But, it seems that as long as
Canon doesn't get twice as many pages than the Epson before
replacement, the Epson actually wins on cost, even though the carts
do waste ink.

Then, there is the question of paper... the Canon seems to only
work well on some more expensive papers (ie. Canon Photo Paper Pro)
vs. Epson which seems to work on a wider variety of papers... But
this seems to be a much smaller cost difference overall than the
inks!

So, how about it? Anyone have the numbers I need to plug in to
make the cost analysis work?

-Jonathan
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All of the printers I am comparing are the cream of the crop photo-wise... which is why I chose them to compare myself. That being said, if you want to sell your prints, I would still recommend going with a dye-sub printer, preferably the Kodak. But then, that's a hell of a lot more expensive. I'm just looking for the best value for long-term printing of personal photographs which shall not be resold ;)

-Jonathan
dgrogers said:
**** said:
Cecil said:
Shultz said:
Jonathan said:
Has anyone compared the overall cost of ownership of the Canon 8200
or S800 with an Epson 890? I know the Canon allows the replacement
of individual cartridges, which seems to be a neat idea, but then I
looked at the prices of cartridges.

From a sampling at outpost.com, the cartridge prices seem to be as
follows (prices are rounded to nearest dollar):

EPSON 890 Canon 8200/S800
Black: $20 Black: $12
Colour: $27 Cyan: $13
Magenta: $13
Yellow: $13
Photo Cyan: $14
Photo Magenta: $14

Total: $47 Total: $79
Click to expand...
I'd be interested in the results as I'm in the market for a new
printer & can't decide between a Canon or Epson atm :(

Cheers Shultz.
dgrogers said:
That's a pretty big difference for total replacement costs! Now,
what I haven't been able to figure out is cartridge life, ie. how
many prints you get on cartridges. But, it seems that as long as
Canon doesn't get twice as many pages than the Epson before
replacement, the Epson actually wins on cost, even though the carts
do waste ink.

Then, there is the question of paper... the Canon seems to only
work well on some more expensive papers (ie. Canon Photo Paper Pro)
vs. Epson which seems to work on a wider variety of papers... But
this seems to be a much smaller cost difference overall than the
inks!

So, how about it? Anyone have the numbers I need to plug in to
make the cost analysis work?

-Jonathan
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Hi Travis,

I agree with your assessments all... which is why it's such a hard decision for me to make. They are very comperable machines :)

I don't suppose you can tell us how many full 8.5x11 photos you average on a cartridge both with and without the chip reset?

-Jonathan
Travis said:
I tend to agree with you, although I'm certainly biased because I
have the Epson 1280. Although the Canon has separate ink tanks,
there's a debatable amount of cost difference since you are
actually paying more for the Canon carts. There is certainly a
higher packaging cost with the Canon carts because they are all
sold individually. On the other hand, you save some by replacing
each color as it runs out - although the savings is really
subjective because there are many variables: if you print many
prints on the Epson with the same color, you may spend more. But
if you print photos with a variety of colors, they will probably
stay at approximately the same levels. And I am now able to get
about 25% more out of my Epson color carts by doing the very simply
and quick chip reset.

All said and done, I'd bet that the difference is neglible. Take
into consideration that you'd be changing carts a lot more often on
the Canon (since you change each color as it runs out) and I don't
think the separate ink tanks is a major selling point, IMO.

Now if the photo quality on the new Canon's is comparable to the
Epson's and last as long (without a color shifting problem), then I
would say that is more of an advantage.

BUT remember, the orange shift didn't show up on the newer Epson
printers for some time after they came out and don't affect
everyone. We have no idea how Canon's inks will hold up - the
Wilhelm data quoted for the S800 is for lightfastness, not gas
fading, etc...

Still, it's good to see competition and I think the current crop of
Epson and Canon printers will find themselves in many homes -
different strokes for different folks! AND THERE'S NOTHING WRONG
WITH THAT!!! :-)

Travis
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dgrogers said:
Sorry, make that 70 - 110 8.5x11 photo prints. The Canon printer
is a little more picky about the types of paper it uses (at least
for the 8200--I have not experimented with the new inks), but there
are quite a few alternatives.
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Do you mean that after about 70 prints, you need to start replacing the first ink cartridge OR that all of them need replaced OR the last one usually needs replacing at appx 110???

Also, does the Canon have borderless printing that enables you to print at 8.5 x 11? Or did you really mean to say you're estimate is using 8x10 prints on 8.5x11 paper. Or did you mean you print the largest photo size you can on 8.5x11 paper (including margins).

Also, what printer settings are you assuming in your estimate? Does the Canon vary ink usage depending on paper type and/or quality settings?

I would think all of these variables would come into play, correct?

Travis
 
Member said:
What does make a difference is that you can refill the Canon much
easier that the Epson! That does make a difference. Saying that,
refill kits for the Epsons are coming right now, but will probably
never be as easy as the Canon with separate tanks....
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I can't comment on the actual procedure for filling the Epson tanks because I haven't done it, but the chip reset is quite simple (I have done it on the 1280) and would not be an obstacle in refilling.

Travis
 
Member said:
I don't suppose you can tell us how many full 8.5x11 photos you
average on a cartridge both with and without the chip reset?
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Unfortunely, I haven't done any calculations. I don't always print with the same settings and paper. For example, most of the time I print at 1440. But there are significant times where I use 720 or 2880 - depending on the photo. Also, certain paper settings use more/less ink and sometimes I use Premium Glossy and sometimes Heavyweight Matte.

I can roughly give you an idea of where I am right now in the color cartirdge currently installed. I am working on a photo album project where I print 4 pictures per 8.5 x 11 sheet. The ink coverage is nearly 100% and I'm using Epson Premium Luster paper with the Premium Glossy setting (1440 dpi) in the driver. I use Photoenhance4 with Hard tone and medium sharpness, so my prints come out very saturated.

So far, I have printed approximately 25 full pages and the ink level is between 1/4 and 1/2 (or about 3/8 left). I can only extrapolate from here, but I should get at least 12-15 more before the print driver tells me I'm empty. Then, the last two times I did the reset and used up the remaining ink, I got appx 1/4 more ink, so that would be another 8-10 or so pages. I would imagine - overall - that I will get about 45 pages by the time the ink runs out. But to be totally honest, I could be off quite a bit either way.

Remember, too, that I am using the Epson 1280 which I believe has a larger color cartridge than the 870/890. The 1280 color cart retails for $30 and each of the Canon carts retail for $12 each (only fair way to compare costs since you can find them all cheaper depending on where you shop).

Epson 1280 color = $30
Canon (5 color carts) = $60

Of course, none of that does any good unless we have some real tests of ink logevity. But from what I've gathered so far, it would appear that the costs would be pretty close, IMO - even when excluding the extra ink you can get from the Epson carts with the reset and including the fact that Canon uses separate carts.

Travis
 
After 70 prints, I had to start replacing ink carts and about 1 cart every 10 or so 8.5x11 (meaning I print the largest size possible on 8.5x11 paper, the margins are fairly small) prints after (I forgot the exact number). All my prints are done at 1200x1200 dpi with either increased ink intensity or darker output--both of which use more ink than default settings, but I found it neccessary to make colors match reality. I have not experimented with the new ink, but my guess would be that I don't have to increase ink intensity or set output to dark (this makes the mid colors darker and leaves the lightest and darkest colors alone). Of course, with the free ink Canon gave me, my ink costs are really low now :).
Travis said:
Member said:
Sorry, make that 70 - 110 8.5x11 photo prints. The Canon printer
is a little more picky about the types of paper it uses (at least
for the 8200--I have not experimented with the new inks), but there
are quite a few alternatives.
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Do you mean that after about 70 prints, you need to start replacing
the first ink cartridge OR that all of them need replaced OR the
last one usually needs replacing at appx 110???

Also, does the Canon have borderless printing that enables you to
print at 8.5 x 11? Or did you really mean to say you're estimate
is using 8x10 prints on 8.5x11 paper. Or did you mean you print
the largest photo size you can on 8.5x11 paper (including margins).

Also, what printer settings are you assuming in your estimate?
Does the Canon vary ink usage depending on paper type and/or
quality settings?

I would think all of these variables would come into play, correct?

Travis
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Travis,what procedure are you using for chip reset? are you just cycleing
through the cartrige replacemnt? or using another cart. for a dummie
to reset the level? I'm using a 2000P and am very curious...
Travis said:
Member said:
I don't suppose you can tell us how many full 8.5x11 photos you
average on a cartridge both with and without the chip reset?
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Unfortunely, I haven't done any calculations. I don't always print
with the same settings and paper. For example, most of the time I
print at 1440. But there are significant times where I use 720 or
2880 - depending on the photo. Also, certain paper settings use
more/less ink and sometimes I use Premium Glossy and sometimes
Heavyweight Matte.

I can roughly give you an idea of where I am right now in the color
cartirdge currently installed. I am working on a photo album
project where I print 4 pictures per 8.5 x 11 sheet. The ink
coverage is nearly 100% and I'm using Epson Premium Luster paper
with the Premium Glossy setting (1440 dpi) in the driver. I use
Photoenhance4 with Hard tone and medium sharpness, so my prints
come out very saturated.

So far, I have printed approximately 25 full pages and the ink
level is between 1/4 and 1/2 (or about 3/8 left). I can only
extrapolate from here, but I should get at least 12-15 more before
the print driver tells me I'm empty. Then, the last two times I
did the reset and used up the remaining ink, I got appx 1/4 more
ink, so that would be another 8-10 or so pages. I would imagine -
overall - that I will get about 45 pages by the time the ink runs
out. But to be totally honest, I could be off quite a bit either
way.

Remember, too, that I am using the Epson 1280 which I believe has a
larger color cartridge than the 870/890. The 1280 color cart
retails for $30 and each of the Canon carts retail for $12 each
(only fair way to compare costs since you can find them all cheaper
depending on where you shop).

Epson 1280 color = $30
Canon (5 color carts) = $60

Of course, none of that does any good unless we have some real
tests of ink logevity. But from what I've gathered so far, it
would appear that the costs would be pretty close, IMO - even when
excluding the extra ink you can get from the Epson carts with the
reset and including the fact that Canon uses separate carts.

Travis
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Travis said:
Member said:
What does make a difference is that you can refill the Canon much
easier that the Epson! That does make a difference. Saying that,
refill kits for the Epsons are coming right now, but will probably
never be as easy as the Canon with separate tanks....
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I can't comment on the actual procedure for filling the Epson tanks
because I haven't done it, but the chip reset is quite simple (I
have done it on the 1280) and would not be an obstacle in refilling.

Travis
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Here's a link to the refils and instructions

http://www.inksupply.com/index1.cfm?source=html/epsonkits.html

I'm still curious how your getting 25% more out of your cartriges..

Paul R.
 
Hi Johnathan,

I like yourself am looking for a top notch photo printer to go with my Casio QV3000EX camera, I did find this review from the Amateur Photograher on Canons site ( surprising the canon won overall (doh!) ) but it does make interesting reading & compares 5 top of the range Inkjets

http://www.canon.co.uk/media/pdf/ap_inkjet.pdf

Cheers Shultz.
Jonathan said:
-Jonathan
dgrogers said:
**** said:
Cecil said:
Shultz said:
Jonathan said:
Has anyone compared the overall cost of ownership of the Canon 8200
or S800 with an Epson 890? I know the Canon allows the replacement
of individual cartridges, which seems to be a neat idea, but then I
looked at the prices of cartridges.

From a sampling at outpost.com, the cartridge prices seem to be as
follows (prices are rounded to nearest dollar):

EPSON 890 Canon 8200/S800
Black: $20 Black: $12
Colour: $27 Cyan: $13
Magenta: $13
Yellow: $13
Photo Cyan: $14
Photo Magenta: $14

Total: $47 Total: $79
Click to expand...
I'd be interested in the results as I'm in the market for a new
printer & can't decide between a Canon or Epson atm :(

Cheers Shultz.
Member said:
That's a pretty big difference for total replacement costs! Now,
what I haven't been able to figure out is cartridge life, ie. how
many prints you get on cartridges. But, it seems that as long as
Canon doesn't get twice as many pages than the Epson before
replacement, the Epson actually wins on cost, even though the carts
do waste ink.

Then, there is the question of paper... the Canon seems to only
work well on some more expensive papers (ie. Canon Photo Paper Pro)
vs. Epson which seems to work on a wider variety of papers... But
this seems to be a much smaller cost difference overall than the
inks!

So, how about it? Anyone have the numbers I need to plug in to
make the cost analysis work?

-Jonathan
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What's not being considered here is the Epson ink that some of us are forced to waste because of all of the nozzle cleaning. Yes, I'm one of the unfortunate with clogs.

I'm not all that impressed with the full bleed printing either. That seems to waste ink also - just take a look at the absorbent pads in the printer. I wonder too what happens when those pads just cannot absorb anymore? Besides, how many serious photographers print edge to edge? After trying it myself, I went back to margins - looks much more professional.
 
Paul R.35858 said:
Travis,what procedure are you using for chip reset? are you just
cycleing
through the cartrige replacemnt? or using another cart. for a dummie
to reset the level? I'm using a 2000P and am very curious...
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I don't know about the 2000P, but this is what I do with the 1280. Remember, I'm not refilling, just squeezing more ink out of the cart:

1) When the print driver tells me it's empty, I replace it with a new one in the normal way. Ink level shows full again.

2) Then I push the white lever down and move the carriage to the left. I simply put the old cart back in. Now the ink levels shows full and I get about 1/4 more.

That's all there is to it. But when the ink really does run out, I take it out right away and put the new one back it. If you use one cartridge as the "Designated full cart" like it explains on the chip reset website, then it's really quite simple. The first time I did it, I got seven additional full-page 8.5 x 11 photos (about half at 1440 and the other half at 2880). The next time I got more because I was printing just 1440 photos...

Travis
 
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