10D replacement 6mp

I'm not at all discrediting anyone. What makes you say that?

My ideas, which come from owning a 10D since the week they were
available and using it quite extensively for critter photography
ever since, may be silly to you but not to me and many others who
are frustrated with the 10D's AF system, especially with regard to
moving subjects. I'm happy to hear that you get an 85% keeper
rate. If I can get the AF to actually lock on an in flight subject
I prolly get the same rate but hell, I find just getting the AF to
lock on in flight birds quite a challenge.

Have you tried a 1D or 1D Mk II for in flight images? Please do so
and get back to me concerning the ability of the 1D/1D MK II 45
point system vs. the 10D 7 point system. The difference is pretty
wild.

And just for the record, I really do like my 10D. (Aside from the
clunky, imprecise AF, delayed "on" and lack of an ISO setting
display in the viewfinder).

Cheers from critter central.
Achilles heel of the 10D is it's focusing. It's
useless for such things as birds in flight
--
GiGo
If you need 45 then i suggest you work on your technique. More AF points would be helpfull for a bird against a blue sky, but that gets old real fast. 45 focus points for me would mean 44 more chances for the camera to focus on the background so i would still choose only one.

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Yeah Todd... He probably had too much rum flavour ice cream!!! LOL.

Mike
a friend who is working in a foto store had this morning an
announcement
from canon that 10d replacement will be a 6mp camera with 45points
AFsystem ....................................big big big
dissapoinment.
Well my uncle's second wife's brother said that he was at 31
Flavors last night and overheard a guy who was a friend of a Canon
rep who said that it would have a 12MP sensor and 128 point AF, so
there!

--
Todd Walker
Canon 10D
28-70/2.8L, 80-200/2.8L, 50/1.8
Sony F707
http://www.toddwalker.net
http://www.twphotography.net
http://www.pbase.com/twalker294
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'Get rid of those damn angles! The shortest distance is a straight line.'
 
One AF point dead in the center compromises your freedom to compose pictures in situations where the photographer must act quickly.

Tim C.
I'm not at all discrediting anyone. What makes you say that?

My ideas, which come from owning a 10D since the week they were
available and using it quite extensively for critter photography
ever since, may be silly to you but not to me and many others who
are frustrated with the 10D's AF system, especially with regard to
moving subjects. I'm happy to hear that you get an 85% keeper
rate. If I can get the AF to actually lock on an in flight subject
I prolly get the same rate but hell, I find just getting the AF to
lock on in flight birds quite a challenge.

Have you tried a 1D or 1D Mk II for in flight images? Please do so
and get back to me concerning the ability of the 1D/1D MK II 45
point system vs. the 10D 7 point system. The difference is pretty
wild.

And just for the record, I really do like my 10D. (Aside from the
clunky, imprecise AF, delayed "on" and lack of an ISO setting
display in the viewfinder).

Cheers from critter central.
Achilles heel of the 10D is it's focusing. It's
useless for such things as birds in flight
--
GiGo
If you need 45 then i suggest you work on your technique. More AF
points would be helpfull for a bird against a blue sky, but that
gets old real fast. 45 focus points for me would mean 44 more
chances for the camera to focus on the background so i would still
choose only one.

--
http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/root

--
Tim J.Y. Chong

'Photography is bringing order out of chaos.' - Ansel Adams
 
In a nutshell....not only do you have more points for when you need them for tracking....the 45 pt. system has smaller, much more precise sensors which will provide greater focusing accuracy.
I'm sure there are better explanations of the benefit of 45 AF
point system in the archives.

Tim C.
Ive never used a Canon that had a 45 point AF system - I almost
never use the 7 AF points on my 300D, because the camera doesnt do
a very good job of reading my mind and working out just what I want
to focus on :-)

Just how does the 45 point system work, and will people just reduce
it to a single centre point, like I suspect I would do?

--
http://www.pbase.com/timothyo

--
Tim J.Y. Chong

'Photography is bringing order out of chaos.' - Ansel Adams
 
as I understand it, the 45pt system has more sensors that evaluate on a vertical and horizontal plane .. unlike the 10D which, I believe, only has that on the center sensor pt. ..

craig
I'm sure there are better explanations of the benefit of 45 AF
point system in the archives.

Tim C.
Ive never used a Canon that had a 45 point AF system - I almost
never use the 7 AF points on my 300D, because the camera doesnt do
a very good job of reading my mind and working out just what I want
to focus on :-)

Just how does the 45 point system work, and will people just reduce
it to a single centre point, like I suspect I would do?

--
http://www.pbase.com/timothyo

--
Tim J.Y. Chong

'Photography is bringing order out of chaos.' - Ansel Adams
--
some of my shots here
http://www.pbase.com/cpr1954/root
 
One AF point dead in the center compromises your freedom to compose
pictures in situations where the photographer must act quickly.
While i like the idea of having 45 autofocus points to choose from i would never have all active for shooting flight shots of birds, unless of course you just want a shot like this



, but i still wouldn't use all focus points in this situation because i don't need them. Now i may choose three: center and one to the right and left.

I was responding to the idea that you can't shoot flight shots with only 7 autofocus points which is rediculous. If you can't keep the focus point over the subject then you need to try a new technique, that's all i'm saying. Some people expect the camera to lock focus on the bird with all 45 focus points active, that will happen if the sky is the background, but not if the background is a bunch of trees. The camera can't do it all for you.
Tim C.
I'm not at all discrediting anyone. What makes you say that?

My ideas, which come from owning a 10D since the week they were
available and using it quite extensively for critter photography
ever since, may be silly to you but not to me and many others who
are frustrated with the 10D's AF system, especially with regard to
moving subjects. I'm happy to hear that you get an 85% keeper
rate. If I can get the AF to actually lock on an in flight subject
I prolly get the same rate but hell, I find just getting the AF to
lock on in flight birds quite a challenge.

Have you tried a 1D or 1D Mk II for in flight images? Please do so
and get back to me concerning the ability of the 1D/1D MK II 45
point system vs. the 10D 7 point system. The difference is pretty
wild.

And just for the record, I really do like my 10D. (Aside from the
clunky, imprecise AF, delayed "on" and lack of an ISO setting
display in the viewfinder).

Cheers from critter central.
Achilles heel of the 10D is it's focusing. It's
useless for such things as birds in flight
--
GiGo
If you need 45 then i suggest you work on your technique. More AF
points would be helpfull for a bird against a blue sky, but that
gets old real fast. 45 focus points for me would mean 44 more
chances for the camera to focus on the background so i would still
choose only one.

--
http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/root

--
Tim J.Y. Chong

'Photography is bringing order out of chaos.' - Ansel Adams
--
http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/root

 
very nice shot.. !

I'm not sure how much control you really have over selecting AF points on that system.. but I have read that there are more horizontal and vertical evaluating points then on the 10D ... (which only the center does that)

I would love a system that focus locked and followed the subject.. like missle lock.. :) now that would rule..

cheers
One AF point dead in the center compromises your freedom to compose
pictures in situations where the photographer must act quickly.
While i like the idea of having 45 autofocus points to choose from
i would never have all active for shooting flight shots of birds,
unless of course you just want a shot like this



, but i still wouldn't use all focus points in this situation
because i don't need them. Now i may choose three: center and one
to the right and left.

I was responding to the idea that you can't shoot flight shots with
only 7 autofocus points which is rediculous. If you can't keep the
focus point over the subject then you need to try a new technique,
that's all i'm saying. Some people expect the camera to lock
focus on the bird with all 45 focus points active, that will happen
if the sky is the background, but not if the background is a bunch
of trees. The camera can't do it all for you.
Tim C.
I'm not at all discrediting anyone. What makes you say that?

My ideas, which come from owning a 10D since the week they were
available and using it quite extensively for critter photography
ever since, may be silly to you but not to me and many others who
are frustrated with the 10D's AF system, especially with regard to
moving subjects. I'm happy to hear that you get an 85% keeper
rate. If I can get the AF to actually lock on an in flight subject
I prolly get the same rate but hell, I find just getting the AF to
lock on in flight birds quite a challenge.

Have you tried a 1D or 1D Mk II for in flight images? Please do so
and get back to me concerning the ability of the 1D/1D MK II 45
point system vs. the 10D 7 point system. The difference is pretty
wild.

And just for the record, I really do like my 10D. (Aside from the
clunky, imprecise AF, delayed "on" and lack of an ISO setting
display in the viewfinder).

Cheers from critter central.
Achilles heel of the 10D is it's focusing. It's
useless for such things as birds in flight
--
GiGo
If you need 45 then i suggest you work on your technique. More AF
points would be helpfull for a bird against a blue sky, but that
gets old real fast. 45 focus points for me would mean 44 more
chances for the camera to focus on the background so i would still
choose only one.

--
http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/root

--
Tim J.Y. Chong

'Photography is bringing order out of chaos.' - Ansel Adams
--
http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/root

--
some of my shots here
http://www.pbase.com/cpr1954/root
 
Ive never used a Canon that had a 45 point AF system - I almost
never use the 7 AF points on my 300D, because the camera doesnt do
a very good job of reading my mind and working out just what I want
to focus on :-)

Just how does the 45 point system work, and will people just reduce
it to a single centre point, like I suspect I would do?
That's what will happen Tim. I doubt seriously that any pro sports or nature photographers shooting fast action use all 45 focus points, unless there is little chance of the camera focusing on something other than the subject. Now the 45 AF system might be better at focusing on your subject if the background is far away than say the 300d's system does, but it still isn't going to put the subject in focus every time like a single autofocus point and some skills at tracking your subject.
--
http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/root

 
very nice shot.. !
I'm not sure how much control you really have over selecting AF
points on that system.. but I have read that there are more
horizontal and vertical evaluating points then on the 10D ...
(which only the center does that)

I would love a system that focus locked and followed the subject..
like missle lock.. :) now that would rule..

cheers
say i want to select 4 autofocus points near the center is that possible with the 45 AF system? What about 6? it will be nice to have a camera that allows me to select focus points i want and those be closer together. The rebel i have only lets you use 7 or a single one as far as i know. I never read the manual. Not to mention those 7 points are spread out to far.

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http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/root

 
yes.. you are correct.. at least if the rebel is like the 10D.. one or all seven..

and I do not have the answer on the 45pt system.. I know you have some option on selecting pts. but I'm not sure how versatile that system is.. If I could say, select, as you said, 4 or 6 in the center, that would be usefull .. the way I look at it.. I just don't have the answers..

craig
very nice shot.. !
I'm not sure how much control you really have over selecting AF
points on that system.. but I have read that there are more
horizontal and vertical evaluating points then on the 10D ...
(which only the center does that)

I would love a system that focus locked and followed the subject..
like missle lock.. :) now that would rule..

cheers
say i want to select 4 autofocus points near the center is that
possible with the 45 AF system? What about 6? it will be nice to
have a camera that allows me to select focus points i want and
those be closer together. The rebel i have only lets you use 7 or
a single one as far as i know. I never read the manual. Not to
mention those 7 points are spread out to far.

--
http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/root

--
some of my shots here
http://www.pbase.com/cpr1954/root
 
Take it for what it's worth:

Copy of post (and the link: http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/114698/4 ) on page 5:

From a post on Photo.net
(post might be deleted, so I am giving the full quote)):
"Hi everybody,

I just went to a camera shop to buy a PowerShot S50 for my wife. A friend of mine introduced me to a local Canon dealer. He just came back from some dealers meeting, where they have been informed about new products for the next season:

EOS D20 body: 8.? Mpix (I think 8.3), 1.6 crop sensor, EF-S mount, 5frames/sec, larger buffer (he forgot how large)...

EF-S 10-22mm lens

EF-S 18-85 IS lens

some other lenses...

I'm not sure if this is really true, but I think that the official embargo is untill some time in August.

So we have to wait and see!"
.
.
.
The above info sorta confirms what Art (skasol) posted here:

"well here it is guys, I work for a trusty retail store, and the only info that I have so far is a "sku" # and a model # so here it is canon eos 20D with a EF-s18-55MM lens. I have a stock date of october 10 2004 I have weight width and height but I don't think that is important. so I have 2 more months to wait.
forgot the price, I have a listed price of 1599.99 "
.
.
.

Art, I just want to clarify - Does the $1600 20D price include the 18-55/EF-S lens?

Thanks
-----
dan
 
It's only good on an 1.3 size sensor because it's only a little larger than a full-frame, but on a 1.6 the AF area will occupy almost whole frame, which is pretty useless.

I'm already tired of overgrown AF area on the 10D/300D which use the same AF system as film bodies, but due to the size factor the AF sensor area is too large and often captures off-subject objects, which is weird. Is anyone using AF point indication built-in the Canon EOS Viewer - half of my out-of focus shots for example are made so because if this "feature", and Canon even has the marketing sense of reality to call this
WIDE AREA AUTOFOCUS!!!
What a joke...
 
7 AF points would be adequate if they were placed like they are on the film bodies - right in the center. But because of the crop factor and the fact that AF sensor itself is the same size as in film bodies, the point layout on the 10D/300D is 1.6 times wider, which is way too much to be useful in sports or action photography.

It could also be the source of autofocus errors because the AF sensor resolution suffers - less pixels for the same linear resolution of the lens, as the image frame is basically a cropped full-frame.

1D doesn't seem to suffer so much from this because it has lesser crop factor sensor.
 
and I do not have the answer on the 45pt system.. I know you have
some option on selecting pts. but I'm not sure how versatile that
system is.. If I could say, select, as you said, 4 or 6 in the
center, that would be usefull .. the way I look at it.. I just
don't have the answers..
you could select a C-Fn that automatically expands the selected AF point to a larger area by incorporating the surrounding sensors as well. Just get yourself the manual for the 1DMkII at the Canon website and look at it for yourself.

--
regards
Karl Günter Wünsch
 
Take it for what it's worth:

Copy of post (and the link:
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/114698/4 ) on page 5:

From a post on Photo.net
(post might be deleted, so I am giving the full quote)):
"Hi everybody,

I just went to a camera shop to buy a PowerShot S50 for my wife. A
friend of mine introduced me to a local Canon dealer. He just came
back from some dealers meeting, where they have been informed about
new products for the next season:

EOS D20 body: 8.? Mpix (I think 8.3), 1.6 crop sensor, EF-S mount,
5frames/sec, larger buffer (he forgot how large)...

EF-S 10-22mm lens

EF-S 18-85 IS lens

some other lenses...

I'm not sure if this is really true, but I think that the official
embargo is untill some time in August.

So we have to wait and see!"
.
.
.
The above info sorta confirms what Art (skasol) posted here:
"well here it is guys, I work for a trusty retail store, and the
only info that I have so far is a "sku" # and a model # so here it
is canon eos 20D with a EF-s18-55MM lens. I have a stock date of
october 10 2004 I have weight width and height but I don't think
that is important. so I have 2 more months to wait.
forgot the price, I have a listed price of 1599.99 "
.
.
.
Art, I just want to clarify - Does the $1600 20D price include the
18-55/EF-S lens?

Thanks
-----
dan
Not thinking of buying it unless there is significantly less noise. Not that the current dSLRs have a lot of noise but imagine a clean ISO 800. Better AF capability will be the second thing I look for.

I personally dont see the hfOV magnification factor as a deal breaker, the EF-S lenses will fit my current Drebel if they are sold separately.

--
Yiannis

' Now the trumpet summons us again--not as a call to bear arms, though arms we need--not as a call to battle, though embattled we are-- but a call to bear the burden of a long twilight struggle, year in and year out, 'rejoicing in hope, patient in tribulation'--a struggle against the common enemies of man: tyranny, poverty, disease and war itself.'

http://www.pbase.com/ystasino
 
Does anyone have any information about the dynamic range of the new 10D, especially in JPEG? When I shoot a scene with a lot of different kind of lighting in JPEG, the 10D tends to blow out hightlight, which is what I reallly hate to see :-).

By the way, does anyone here have experiences with the dynamic range on the 1D Mark II and 1Ds? I wonder if these higher end models perform better on this dynamic range feature.
 
a friend who is working in a foto store had this morning an
announcement
from canon that 10d replacement will be a 6mp camera with 45points
AFsystem ....................................big big big
dissapoinment.
Found this link... mostly looks like some Photoshop work, but what
the hey... Just to put fuel to the fire.

http://ibtaiwan.com/ipb/index.php?showtopic=3331

Klaas
That's not even GOOD photoshop work.... Pathetic. That's complete BS. Trust me, there's no 10DN. It'll be called the 20D, NOT the D20.

If you want smoother ISO 800, buy a Mark II. If you want less blown highlights, shoot RAW. End of story.

kdo
 

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