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I agree that these sort of reminders are useful BUT everytime I see a note like this I also want to point out that most of us are neither artists, nor professional photographers. Sometimes our goal is not produce great works of photography, but technically accurate, pleasant, high quality pics for our scrapbooks that may be emotionally significant to us but cliches for photographers.

In the latter circumstances however, things like noise, lack of low light ability or blur may matter a lot. So I could imagine an artistically interesting but blurry shot of a child would be useless to me if all I wanted was a nice but clear photo of my son.

Not whining, mind you, just a reminder that we have different reasons for taking pics, and hence often have good reasons for obsessing about cameras. Some toys are simply better for certain needs/wants.

Thx.

John
Gabi said:
cyril_jeane said:
Here's a link that will guide you with your decision...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/30seconds.shtml
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:-) Thanks for sharing! It's good to remind people not to care too much about the technical equipment.

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Gabi

Olympus C-40 (D-40), Olympus C-2100UZ, Toshiba PDR-M70, Panasonic
DMC-FZ2, Pentax Optio S4, Canon Powershot S50, Olympus C-5060WZ,
Panasonic DMC-FX1

http://www.gabis-galleries.com/
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John,

Thank you for pointing that out. I honestly never saw it from that perspective, an eye-opener for me I must confess.

FWIW, here's a link to my picture if you have questions on the IS capability of the FZ's. (handheld 1/4sec)
http://cyril-jeane.smugmug.com/gallery/172763/1/6470957

For low light noise, and IS again (taken in "dusk" light)
http://cyril-jeane.smugmug.com/gallery/172763/1/6499608

But if one has kids running about, burst mode may be more helpful
http://cyril-jeane.smugmug.com/gallery/172769

Good luck then on your search!

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Cyril
http://cyril-jeane.smugmug.com
 
jvcn said:
I agree that these sort of reminders are useful BUT everytime I
see a note like this I also want to point out that most of us are
neither artists, nor professional photographers. Sometimes our
goal is not produce great works of photography, but technically
accurate, pleasant, high quality pics for our scrapbooks that may
be emotionally significant to us but cliches for photographers.
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You're right about our goals, but...
jvcn said:
In the latter circumstances however, things like noise, lack of low
light ability or blur may matter a lot. So I could imagine an
artistically interesting but blurry shot of a child would be
useless to me if all I wanted was a nice but clear photo of my son.
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You may assume that it doesn't really matter which FZxyz you might own - with all the cameras from this series you will get blurry pictures not because of a technical inferiority of one cam versus the other, but because you, as the photographer, made a mistake. And that was exactly what I read from the statements in the link.
jvcn said:
Not whining, mind you, just a reminder that we have different
reasons for taking pics, and hence often have good reasons for
obsessing about cameras. Some toys are simply better for certain
needs/wants.
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I still don't believe that you get blurry pics in a specific situation with a (lets say) FZ20 and sharp pics with a FZ3 in the very same situation. This really doesn't depend on the camera.

Just my 2 cents ;-)

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Gabi

Olympus C-40 (D-40), Olympus C-2100UZ, Toshiba PDR-M70, Panasonic DMC-FZ2, Pentax Optio S4, Canon Powershot S50, Olympus C-5060WZ, Panasonic DMC-FX1

http://www.gabis-galleries.com/
 
Good points to ponder. But I couldn't help noticing that that picture was taken by a professional photographer on one of those incredibly expensive workshop retreats on a remote and exotic location. And he didn't mention what kind of camera was used, but it could be the "Contax 645 with Kodak DCS Proback 645C and 210mm f/4 Sonnar lens" that was used for the next photo.
Just some observations...
cyril_jeane said:
Here's a link that will guide you with your decision...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/30seconds.shtml

--
Cyril
http://cyril-jeane.smugmug.com
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There is no problem with noise when the FZ10 is used per its native sensor speed.

This was taken in available light at ISO 50, using a rock wall as support:



And this at ISO 400, hand-held at 1/10 second with IS on:



You can see the increased noise evident in the second photo easily. Is it objectionable? only you can decide that. For most purposes, I keep the camera locked on ISO 50 and 100, and use a tripod when light levels are low.

Godfrey
lightning69 said:
My conern with the FZs is not about sharpness. It is about noise.
A noisy picture would be painful to the eyes regardless of the how
good the composition or the lighting is. And the noise really
jumps out when the image is cropped a lot.
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what he said was true and very basic. Photography is really almost about light, except for those shooting in totla darkness : ). The framing on the 1st pic was to clinical. The 2nd pic was too distant although I like the color graduation. He should have titled simply as baby blue with something swimming. I hope the original gives more details.
gil
cyril_jeane said:
Here's a link that will guide you with your decision...

http://www.luminous-landscape.com/essays/30seconds.shtml

--
Cyril
http://cyril-jeane.smugmug.com
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