S1 Custom Settings

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Hey folks,

By way of introduction, I've been active on DPReview for two years, primarily on the Sony Talk Forum and, for the last year, the Canon 10D/D60/D30 forum. I launched the initial Canon DSLR Challenge last September and I've been active there since. So, not new to Canon, but new to this forum. Earlier this week, I picked up a PowerShot S1 as my carry-everywhere camera and I'm having a ball. Much of what I read here helped me make that decision, so I wanted to offer something back. Hope it is helpful to some...

A tip I would offer to anyone accustom to post-processing most/all of their images: Use the Custom Effect (off the Function menu) to set your Sharpness, Contrast, and Saturation to Low. To be sure, images come off the camera with less pop, but they are better positioned for desktop work. Why I think so...

SHARPNESS: In experimenting with over 100 images thus far, I've found that Low Sharpening yields a cleaner image and one that better responds to Photoshop sharpening techniques. S1 images sharpen very nicely via my prefered method, one that cans (into a Photoshop action) L*A*B conversion, edge masking, variable USM, and conversion back to RGB. Crisp and clean without crunchies. If anyone is interested, I can email my Photoshop action set. In addition, this minimizes image noise at higher ISOs and makes it easier to remove at the desktop (I use Neat Image).

CONTRAST: In experimenting with excess contrast scenes, the lower setting seems to reduce the amount of clipping at either end. Be it a landscape shot (e.g. bright, hazy sky + much darker foreground) or any other blend of strong darks and brights, the output usually keeps all image data in usable form. Sure, lower contrast shots have a slightly compressed histogram, but they seem to rebound in Photoshop very nicely. In short, this setting seems to preserve more image data.

SATURATION: Adding saturation at the desktop is easy, while removing it or changing its distribution is more difficult. In my brief experience, the S1 saturation boost favors red/orange/yellow too much. Medium or high saturation settings yielded, in neighborhood shots at dusk, over-powering reds in brickwork, but comparatively muted greens and blues elsewhere. At the desktop, I found it easy (via selective Hue/Sat or a more complex masking/channel mixing action) to increment colors where desired and leave others alone. Net: With the low saturation setting, I found it easier and faster to balance saturation to my tastes.


For all you control-freak/desktop junkies (e.g. me), its worth a day or two at these "less flattering" settings to see (for yourself) how the output merges with your post-processing workflow. I'm thrilled with what the S1 and 30 seconds of post-work generate. Thrilled.

Thanks,
Joe

--
http://www.pbase.com/misterpix
 
Joe,

Thanks for the great ideas, I'm going to give them a try. I'm especailly curious about the sharpening as I haven't been too pleased with my results so far.

Dave
 
Hi Joe,
Welcome to this forum :)

email winging its way to you!

Its quite interesting that weve come to agree on fairly similar settings, my settings thus far have been ....
contrast = low / less clipping
saturation=normal
sharpness=high / prefer less post sharpening.

Also of interest....

Currently Im using noise ninja profiles kindly donated by Richard Higgs which are to be recommended link available here....
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=9402508

And my own most recent discoveries with regard to the S1's IS modes can be found here ... makes interesting reading :)

link available here ....
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=9621085

hope enjoy your stay on the forums,
but beware there addictive :)

Overseer.-currently cooking dinner.(whats that smell?)
 
Thanks Joe...could I have the PS action too... my email is [email protected]

Contributions like yours make this forum so great. I wish I could contribute in a like manner. What worries me is that I reach for my S1 a lot more than my 10D!

Brian
Hey folks,

By way of introduction, I've been active on DPReview for two years,
primarily on the Sony Talk Forum and, for the last year, the Canon
10D/D60/D30 forum. I launched the initial Canon DSLR Challenge
last September and I've been active there since. So, not new to
Canon, but new to this forum. Earlier this week, I picked up a
PowerShot S1 as my carry-everywhere camera and I'm having a ball.
Much of what I read here helped me make that decision, so I wanted
to offer something back. Hope it is helpful to some...

A tip I would offer to anyone accustom to post-processing most/all
of their images: Use the Custom Effect (off the Function menu) to
set your Sharpness, Contrast, and Saturation to Low. To be sure,
images come off the camera with less pop, but they are better
positioned for desktop work. Why I think so...

SHARPNESS: In experimenting with over 100 images thus far, I've
found that Low Sharpening yields a cleaner image and one that
better responds to Photoshop sharpening techniques. S1 images
sharpen very nicely via my prefered method, one that cans (into a
Photoshop action) L*A*B conversion, edge masking, variable USM, and
conversion back to RGB. Crisp and clean without crunchies. If
anyone is interested, I can email my Photoshop action set. In
addition, this minimizes image noise at higher ISOs and makes it
easier to remove at the desktop (I use Neat Image).

CONTRAST: In experimenting with excess contrast scenes, the lower
setting seems to reduce the amount of clipping at either end. Be
it a landscape shot (e.g. bright, hazy sky + much darker
foreground) or any other blend of strong darks and brights, the
output usually keeps all image data in usable form. Sure, lower
contrast shots have a slightly compressed histogram, but they seem
to rebound in Photoshop very nicely. In short, this setting seems
to preserve more image data.

SATURATION: Adding saturation at the desktop is easy, while
removing it or changing its distribution is more difficult. In my
brief experience, the S1 saturation boost favors red/orange/yellow
too much. Medium or high saturation settings yielded, in
neighborhood shots at dusk, over-powering reds in brickwork, but
comparatively muted greens and blues elsewhere. At the desktop, I
found it easy (via selective Hue/Sat or a more complex
masking/channel mixing action) to increment colors where desired
and leave others alone. Net: With the low saturation setting, I
found it easier and faster to balance saturation to my tastes.


For all you control-freak/desktop junkies (e.g. me), its worth a
day or two at these "less flattering" settings to see (for
yourself) how the output merges with your post-processing workflow.
I'm thrilled with what the S1 and 30 seconds of post-work generate.
Thrilled.

Thanks,
Joe

--
http://www.pbase.com/misterpix
 
I had exactly the same reaction as you re contrast, sharpness and saturation - of course, coming from the film scanning end, grabbing as much detail as possible for latter enhancement was always the objective.

One of the questions I posed elsewhere, with no response, was whether the low contrast setting did indeed give a little better dynamic range capture from high contrast scenes?

As you noted, the higher the contrast setting, the more likely the clipping unless the exposure is dead on. But, aside from that, how about dynamic range capture?

Any thoughts?

Stan alias EdgarEss
--


I asked Mom if I was a gifted child...she said they certainly wouldn't have paid for me.
 
One of the questions I posed elsewhere, with no response, was
whether the low contrast setting did indeed give a little better
dynamic range capture from high contrast scenes?

As you noted, the higher the contrast setting, the more likely the
clipping unless the exposure is dead on. But, aside from that, how
about dynamic range capture?

Any thoughts?
I would term my thoughts here as "rough observations" rather than "findings", but here goes...

I don't get the sense that a low contrast setting actually increases dynamic range. Rather it seems to simply ask the camera to do less "exaggeration" in boosting highs and lows post-capture .

That said, you do have me curious. I think I might throw the camera in manual, get appropriate settings, then compare middle-tone regions from low, medium, and high setting shots. I don't think one can compare overall histograms, as higher contrast settings will expand both ends. But if the same middle-tone image regions have significantly different distributions (e.g. narrower on low), this would suggest that overall dynamic range is expanded on low.

Good point. Is there a flaw in my thinking and/or proposed experiment?

--
http://www.pbase.com/misterpix
 
What worries me is that I reach for my S1 a lot more than my 10D!
The time to worry is when you reach for neither of them. To be sure, some dSLR bigots might look down upon a camera like the S1, but I think in terms of "different" rather than "better" and "worse". I am enjoying the change of pace. In the end, it's about images and the pleasure they bring, not cameras, right?

Shoot with whatever floats your boat [ emphatic smile ].

--
http://www.pbase.com/misterpix
 
Also of interest....
Currently Im using noise ninja profiles kindly donated by Richard
While I may try Noise Ninja at some point, I'm pretty acclimated to Neat Image. I have been intending to build profiles for the S1. Your note reminds me to share here once they're fit for broad consumption. Thanks.
And my own most recent discoveries with regard to the S1's IS modes
can be found here ... makes interesting reading :)
Very interesting. Will try this evening. This could be a significant boost to the usability of the S1. I am astounded with IS effectiveness on the normal setting; if its "healing powers" can be tuned to circumstance, then it becomes an even more powerful tool. Excellent thought and follow-through!

Thanks,
Joe
--
http://www.pbase.com/misterpix
 
Joe,

I, too, would appreciate receiving your PS Action Set. Thank you for your contribution and insight. [email protected]

Good shooting,
--
Otto...

ess four hundred, ess one eye ess, Logitech Fotoman Plus (first digital camera owned)
 
Joe, could you also send me a copy of your Photoshop action set? I continue to find Photoshop awfully counterintuitive, but it is clearly the best tool around, so learn I must.
Hey folks,

By way of introduction, I've been active on DPReview for two years,
primarily on the Sony Talk Forum and, for the last year, the Canon
10D/D60/D30 forum. I launched the initial Canon DSLR Challenge
last September and I've been active there since. So, not new to
Canon, but new to this forum. Earlier this week, I picked up a
PowerShot S1 as my carry-everywhere camera and I'm having a ball.
Much of what I read here helped me make that decision, so I wanted
to offer something back. Hope it is helpful to some...

A tip I would offer to anyone accustom to post-processing most/all
of their images: Use the Custom Effect (off the Function menu) to
set your Sharpness, Contrast, and Saturation to Low. To be sure,
images come off the camera with less pop, but they are better
positioned for desktop work. Why I think so...

SHARPNESS: In experimenting with over 100 images thus far, I've
found that Low Sharpening yields a cleaner image and one that
better responds to Photoshop sharpening techniques. S1 images
sharpen very nicely via my prefered method, one that cans (into a
Photoshop action) L*A*B conversion, edge masking, variable USM, and
conversion back to RGB. Crisp and clean without crunchies. If
anyone is interested, I can email my Photoshop action set. In
addition, this minimizes image noise at higher ISOs and makes it
easier to remove at the desktop (I use Neat Image).

CONTRAST: In experimenting with excess contrast scenes, the lower
setting seems to reduce the amount of clipping at either end. Be
it a landscape shot (e.g. bright, hazy sky + much darker
foreground) or any other blend of strong darks and brights, the
output usually keeps all image data in usable form. Sure, lower
contrast shots have a slightly compressed histogram, but they seem
to rebound in Photoshop very nicely. In short, this setting seems
to preserve more image data.

SATURATION: Adding saturation at the desktop is easy, while
removing it or changing its distribution is more difficult. In my
brief experience, the S1 saturation boost favors red/orange/yellow
too much. Medium or high saturation settings yielded, in
neighborhood shots at dusk, over-powering reds in brickwork, but
comparatively muted greens and blues elsewhere. At the desktop, I
found it easy (via selective Hue/Sat or a more complex
masking/channel mixing action) to increment colors where desired
and leave others alone. Net: With the low saturation setting, I
found it easier and faster to balance saturation to my tastes.


For all you control-freak/desktop junkies (e.g. me), its worth a
day or two at these "less flattering" settings to see (for
yourself) how the output merges with your post-processing workflow.
I'm thrilled with what the S1 and 30 seconds of post-work generate.
Thrilled.

Thanks,
Joe

--
http://www.pbase.com/misterpix
--
Frank
 
Find below links to an original (straight from camera) and the result after a minute in Photoshop. Both are full 3MP images, so I hope you have broadband. The differences are not astounding, but note the level of clarity in the "after" image, yet still the absence of sharpening artifacts. Though of no photographic merit, the "after" image prints beautifully at 5x7; on paper, it has great sharpness yet is not discernibly a digitial image. Had this been prepared for Web viewing (vs. printing), it could be dosed with a little more sharpening, again without artifact. View at "original" size on PBase...
Before...
http://www.pbase.com/image/31677077
http://www.pbase.com/image/31677039
Hi Joe,

Thanks for the tips. Could you post an original shot at your
suggested low sharpening, contrast, etc. settings and the shot
post-processed? I would be very curious to see a before/after
example of this approach for S1 shots.

Many thanks,

Aron

--
Aron Digumarthi
[email protected]
http://www.pbase.com/gern
--
http://www.pbase.com/misterpix
 
Bear in mind that the original in both the prior and current example were shot at full telephoto (the softest part of the range). These are, again, full 3MP images...
Before...
http://www.pbase.com/image/31678114
http://www.pbase.com/image/31678189

Perhaps counter-intuitive to ask the camera to deliver a softer image, and certainly not an approach for those that do not post-process. But I continue to believe it positions one for faster and more effective work at the desktop.

Joe
Before...
http://www.pbase.com/image/31677077
http://www.pbase.com/image/31677039
Hi Joe,

Thanks for the tips. Could you post an original shot at your
suggested low sharpening, contrast, etc. settings and the shot
post-processed? I would be very curious to see a before/after
example of this approach for S1 shots.

Many thanks,

Aron

--
Aron Digumarthi
[email protected]
http://www.pbase.com/gern
--
http://www.pbase.com/misterpix
--
http://www.pbase.com/misterpix
 
... to those that requested. Drop me an email if ye asked and didn't receive [ sMiLe ].
Hey folks,

By way of introduction, I've been active on DPReview for two years,
primarily on the Sony Talk Forum and, for the last year, the Canon
10D/D60/D30 forum. I launched the initial Canon DSLR Challenge
last September and I've been active there since. So, not new to
Canon, but new to this forum. Earlier this week, I picked up a
PowerShot S1 as my carry-everywhere camera and I'm having a ball.
Much of what I read here helped me make that decision, so I wanted
to offer something back. Hope it is helpful to some...

A tip I would offer to anyone accustom to post-processing most/all
of their images: Use the Custom Effect (off the Function menu) to
set your Sharpness, Contrast, and Saturation to Low. To be sure,
images come off the camera with less pop, but they are better
positioned for desktop work. Why I think so...

SHARPNESS: In experimenting with over 100 images thus far, I've
found that Low Sharpening yields a cleaner image and one that
better responds to Photoshop sharpening techniques. S1 images
sharpen very nicely via my prefered method, one that cans (into a
Photoshop action) L*A*B conversion, edge masking, variable USM, and
conversion back to RGB. Crisp and clean without crunchies. If
anyone is interested, I can email my Photoshop action set. In
addition, this minimizes image noise at higher ISOs and makes it
easier to remove at the desktop (I use Neat Image).

CONTRAST: In experimenting with excess contrast scenes, the lower
setting seems to reduce the amount of clipping at either end. Be
it a landscape shot (e.g. bright, hazy sky + much darker
foreground) or any other blend of strong darks and brights, the
output usually keeps all image data in usable form. Sure, lower
contrast shots have a slightly compressed histogram, but they seem
to rebound in Photoshop very nicely. In short, this setting seems
to preserve more image data.

SATURATION: Adding saturation at the desktop is easy, while
removing it or changing its distribution is more difficult. In my
brief experience, the S1 saturation boost favors red/orange/yellow
too much. Medium or high saturation settings yielded, in
neighborhood shots at dusk, over-powering reds in brickwork, but
comparatively muted greens and blues elsewhere. At the desktop, I
found it easy (via selective Hue/Sat or a more complex
masking/channel mixing action) to increment colors where desired
and leave others alone. Net: With the low saturation setting, I
found it easier and faster to balance saturation to my tastes.


For all you control-freak/desktop junkies (e.g. me), its worth a
day or two at these "less flattering" settings to see (for
yourself) how the output merges with your post-processing workflow.
I'm thrilled with what the S1 and 30 seconds of post-work generate.
Thrilled.

Thanks,
Joe

--
http://www.pbase.com/misterpix
--
http://www.pbase.com/misterpix
 

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