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Great!

Having checked the sample images for the new Z20 I can say that they are as good as my 300D and are indeed sharper straight from the camera. The colourful bird picture shows an extraordinary amount of detail as if it was shot by an "L" series lens. I would definately be able to use this camera as a DSLR backup for my paid jobs.

Well done Panasonic!
Steve
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The noise is undeniably there (this is a prosumer model after all) but yes, I agree (other than the noise factor) this camera produces stunning colourful images! :-)
Steve Norton wrote:
Great!
Having checked the sample images for the new Z20 I can say that
they are as good as my 300D and are indeed sharper straight from
the camera. The colourful bird picture shows an extraordinary
amount of detail as if it was shot by an "L" series lens. I would
definately be able to use this camera as a DSLR backup for my paid
jobs.
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I have mixed feelings about the photos. The dark image in the church doesn't seem to suffer from noise, and it is GREAT.

The others are also very vivid, nice colors, no sign (for my eye) of CA, but the noise is more tha my Sony V1. Am i right? Is that noise or Jpeg artifacts ??

Costas
Great!
Having checked the sample images for the new Z20 I can say that
they are as good as my 300D and are indeed sharper straight from
the camera. The colourful bird picture shows an extraordinary
amount of detail as if it was shot by an "L" series lens. I would
definately be able to use this camera as a DSLR backup for my paid
jobs.

Well done Panasonic!
Steve
 
That's quite a statement. When I looked at the background noise (e.g., the green background behind the colorful bird's head) it seemed to have your typical noise, characteristic of these small-sensor cameras. I'd be surprised if the larger-sensor 300D wouldn't render that quite a bit more cleanly? Looking over the other galleries, I was more impressed with the FX7 and the FZ3 galleries for that particular aspect, though I agree that the colors were stunning in all of them. There is no FZ15 gallery; curious?
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Judging by the sample pictures Panasonic provided they seemed to have improved two things that drive me nuts with my FZ10, the dreaded purple fringing and the "ringing" of the intense red. This "feature" takes a lot of post processsing to eliminate. One of the sample bird photos from Panasonic, going by the EXIF data, was taken at the full zoom. I don't see any fringing. The pictures of the birds aren't particularly high contrast but the contrast areas of the swimmer are quite good. Wonder what the noise is like when the light decays? I wish they had a few sample flash pictures to see what that is like.

Meanwhile... having a gas learning to use the TL-55. No pictures from it in my gallery yet, but here are some oldies but goodies, http://heather2.smugmug.com/
 
No way as good as 300D. 300D and 10D have same image quality and this doesn't look anywhere near my 10D pictures (noise wise). What lens you using on 300D. I just looked at them and like John says, the green background in first shot has classic small sensor noise/look. I thought it was my laptop screen so I just checked on a CRT and noise is there. The bi-cyclicst shot is OOF (IMHO).

And these shots are taken at ISO80 (according to my IE EXIF viewer plugin).
Great!
Having checked the sample images for the new Z20 I can say that
they are as good as my 300D and are indeed sharper straight from
the camera. The colourful bird picture shows an extraordinary
amount of detail as if it was shot by an "L" series lens. I would
definately be able to use this camera as a DSLR backup for my paid
jobs.

Well done Panasonic!
Steve
--
'Unless you go beyond what you have already mastered you will not
grow'
http://www.freeyourmind.info
--
Bobby

Panasonic FZ1, TCON-17
Canon 10D, 50mm 1.8, 100-400L IS

http://bobbyz.smugmug.com
 
There's no question that when reading the specs on the FZ20, Panasonic appears to have almost completely re-worked it's design for the better. People who expect low noise levels are just kidding themselves, as you can't squeeze 5 megapixels onto such a small chip and not have noise - especially at any ISO setting above it's minimum. That's the price you must pay, just as the same problem exists on all fixed-lens cameras of 5mp or higher.

One serious flaw that Panasonic has not attended to is the extremely poor resolution of it's EVF viewfinder. At only 133,000 pixels it is half the resolution of the EVF in the A1, and far lower than most other competing prosumer cameras. I did not expect it to match the A2 EVF resolution of 922,000 pixels, but I did expect more than they have put into this camera. They do not mention any EVF boost in low-light either, so I am afraid it will retain the resulting problems of the FZ10 when it comes to low-light shooting.

It's a great pity that Panasonic has apparently not corrected this problem, since it's poor EVF and low-light problems were the main reasons why I sold my FZ10. True, the focus-assist beam will help at close range of about 2 or 3 meters - but will that prevent the EVF from blacking out while trying to frame a shot? And how can one really benefit from it's increased magnification for manual focusing with such a low EVF pixel count? I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt that it will. True, it probably won't affect daytime outdoor shooting too much - but there will still be detail that one cannot see through the viewfinder.

It's a pity that they have chosen to use such a low resolution EVF in what is obviously a greatly improved camera. I see this as a very serious design flaw, just as it was in the FZ10, and although I have been waiting for this camera to appear for some time, it is something that I intend to check out thoroughly before buying one.

Panasonic is giving us a camera that is the equivilent of a beautiful woman, with a beautiful smile - except that she has a piece of spinach stuck to one front tooth. It's a great pity that they've stopped just short of a complete overhaul of it's design - and left one of the most important features unchanged and seriously lacking.
Barry
The others are also very vivid, nice colors, no sign (for my eye)
of CA, but the noise is more tha my Sony V1. Am i right? Is that
noise or Jpeg artifacts ??

Costas
Great!
Having checked the sample images for the new Z20 I can say that
they are as good as my 300D and are indeed sharper straight from
the camera. The colourful bird picture shows an extraordinary
amount of detail as if it was shot by an "L" series lens. I would
definately be able to use this camera as a DSLR backup for my paid
jobs.

Well done Panasonic!
Steve
 
Judging by the sample pictures Panasonic provided they seemed to
have improved two things that drive me nuts with my FZ10, the
dreaded purple fringing and the "ringing" of the intense red. This
"feature" takes a lot of post processsing to eliminate. One of the
sample bird photos from Panasonic, going by the EXIF data, was
taken at the full zoom. I don't see any fringing. The pictures of
the birds aren't particularly high contrast but the contrast areas
of the swimmer are quite good. Wonder what the noise is like when
the light decays? I wish they had a few sample flash pictures to
see what that is like.
There's a good explanation of how the new FZ20 addresses these issues in the the "lumix Advantages" on the japanese site
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Actually, I was mistaken about the size of the EVF viewfinder in my posting below as I got it confused with it's 0.33" size. It is actually even lower still at only 114,000 pixels and is not 133,000 as I mentioned before.
Barry
The others are also very vivid, nice colors, no sign (for my eye)
of CA, but the noise is more tha my Sony V1. Am i right? Is that
noise or Jpeg artifacts ??

Costas
Great!
Having checked the sample images for the new Z20 I can say that
they are as good as my 300D and are indeed sharper straight from
the camera. The colourful bird picture shows an extraordinary
amount of detail as if it was shot by an "L" series lens. I would
definately be able to use this camera as a DSLR backup for my paid
jobs.

Well done Panasonic!
Steve
 
will be a happy camper: ). The spinach is a minor distraction to the whole being.
gil

Panasonic is giving us a camera that is the equivilent of a
beautiful woman, with a beautiful smile - except that she has a
piece of spinach stuck to one front tooth. It's a great pity that
they've stopped just short of a complete overhaul of it's design -
and left one of the most important features unchanged and seriously
lacking.
Barry
 
And these shots are taken at ISO80 (according to my IE EXIF viewer
plugin).
Great!
Having checked the sample images for the new Z20 I can say that
they are as good as my 300D and are indeed sharper straight from
the camera. The colourful bird picture shows an extraordinary
amount of detail as if it was shot by an "L" series lens. I would
definately be able to use this camera as a DSLR backup for my paid
jobs.

Well done Panasonic!
Steve
--
'Unless you go beyond what you have already mastered you will not
grow'
http://www.freeyourmind.info
--
Bobby

Panasonic FZ1, TCON-17
Canon 10D, 50mm 1.8, 100-400L IS

http://bobbyz.smugmug.com
 
I must say i'm totally dissapointed by the photos, exept from the low light photo in the church (or something).

What i see is NOISE (take a look at 1:1 at the athlete on the bicycle). And also i see desnoise algorithm's artifacts.

Look at the eagle photo. CA on the top of his head, CA around the nose (like redish). And noise. And some strange dots in the left of the photo.

Costas
 
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Harlan
I must say i'm totally dissapointed by the photos, exept from the
low light photo in the church (or something).

What i see is NOISE (take a look at 1:1 at the athlete on the
bicycle). And also i see desnoise algorithm's artifacts.

Look at the eagle photo. CA on the top of his head, CA around the
nose (like redish). And noise. And some strange dots in the left of
the photo.

Costas
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I have a 17 inch monitor set on 1024x768 so the FZ20 photos are 2.5 times bigger than my screen is. Unless your planning on printing giant photos or saving them to look at like that you won't see any noise?

Looking at them at full resolution is like looking at a photo with a big magnifying glass... ??? I save my originals and when my folder gets up to 4 mb's I burn them to DVD for later just in case I might want to print them. Otherwise I save them to HD at 1024x768 for viewing and resize them to 800x600 to e-mail to friends.... Am I missing something here?.... ;o)

Yes I'm from Arkansas but I did sleep at a Best Western last night.

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Jimmie hi!

I'm looking them in my 15' lcd monitor, like all my photos. 1:1. Sorry to say it but i see a LOT more noise than my Sony V1 at ISO 100. Also some artifacts i see in them, remind me some attemps to use NearImage with tooo aggressive settings. I'm sure FZ20 applies strong denoise algorithms that make some artifacts. OR their Jpeg compress is much.

We will know when the camera hits the shops.

Regards from Athens, Greece !

Costas
I have a 17 inch monitor set on 1024x768 so the FZ20 photos are 2.5
times bigger than my screen is. Unless your planning on printing
giant photos or saving them to look at like that you won't see any
noise?
Looking at them at full resolution is like looking at a photo with
a big magnifying glass... ??? I save my originals and when my
folder gets up to 4 mb's I burn them to DVD for later just in case
I might want to print them. Otherwise I save them to HD at 1024x768
for viewing and resize them to 800x600 to e-mail to friends.... Am
I missing something here?.... ;o)

Yes I'm from Arkansas but I did sleep at a Best Western last night.

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MSGT JIMMIE BURTON USAF RETIRED 1983
 
Crete the 6th of July. He's in the Navy on a long cruise and will be back to the states in about another month and a half.... ;o)

I won't argue with you about the noise I just don't see enough to complain about but my eyesite ain't what it used to be... ;o)
I sure would like to go to Greece someday... Beautiful country.... ;o)

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MSGT JIMMIE BURTON USAF RETIRED 1983
Panasonic FZ10 & Yoshida Adapter
UZI, B300, A200, TCON14, C-180, C210
I still luv my UZI but the Fluzi is a Doozie
Epson 750Z - Old Faithful

http://www.angelfire.com/ar/thecameranutjwb/ Home Page
http://www.onlinephotographers.com/yabbse/index.php My Main Hangout... ;o)
 
Yes, you should visit our islands. I assure you that you will shoot thousand of photos :)

About the FZ20: don't tell me that in the Panasonic's demo images, in the eagle photo, you don't see ANY CA ???? PLEASE !!!!!!! Around his nose !!!!

I agree that in print, we will see nothing.

Costas
Crete the 6th of July. He's in the Navy on a long cruise and will
be back to the states in about another month and a half.... ;o)
I won't argue with you about the noise I just don't see enough to
complain about but my eyesite ain't what it used to be... ;o)
I sure would like to go to Greece someday... Beautiful country....
;o)

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