Raw vs. Hi-Jpeg

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I am getting my 10D today along with 2 lenses, UV filters, remote shutter, 1 gig card, Lowepro backpack. I want to be able to get the most out of my camera. This is my first camera with RAW capabilities. I have read that RAW is a digital negative and can be played with in Photoshop. I have PS7. I'd like to know what the benefits of RAW are and are the results REALLY better than HI-JPEG? Also, how can I know what settings to adjust and to what levels in photoshop after shooting raw? And will PS7 convert the file to JPEG? Thank you for helping me.
 
There are tons of posts on this. Basically, RAW fanatics will tell you it is like night and day. JPG fanatics will say there are no differences except in the most extreme circumstances.

Try it out for yourself and see which way is better for you. There are pros and cons to both.
I am getting my 10D today along with 2 lenses, UV filters, remote
shutter, 1 gig card, Lowepro backpack. I want to be able to get the
most out of my camera. This is my first camera with RAW
capabilities. I have read that RAW is a digital negative and can be
played with in Photoshop. I have PS7. I'd like to know what the
benefits of RAW are and are the results REALLY better than HI-JPEG?
Also, how can I know what settings to adjust and to what levels in
photoshop after shooting raw? And will PS7 convert the file to
JPEG? Thank you for helping me.
 
If you want to save yourself some time, ask yourself this question: how long are you on disk space? From my point of view, disk space is cheap, and I will never regret shooting in RAW, but I might regret shooting in JPEG.
Try it out for yourself and see which way is better for you. There
are pros and cons to both.
I am getting my 10D today along with 2 lenses, UV filters, remote
shutter, 1 gig card, Lowepro backpack. I want to be able to get the
most out of my camera. This is my first camera with RAW
capabilities. I have read that RAW is a digital negative and can be
played with in Photoshop. I have PS7. I'd like to know what the
benefits of RAW are and are the results REALLY better than HI-JPEG?
Also, how can I know what settings to adjust and to what levels in
photoshop after shooting raw? And will PS7 convert the file to
JPEG? Thank you for helping me.
 
But you cant get the speed of writing even for the money.
Average speed of RAW writing to CF is about 7 files per min for 10D.

That is not enough for sport shooting. But the speed of JPEG writing is faster because they have less size.
If the seed is not important for you then, of course, RAW is better.
Try it out for yourself and see which way is better for you. There
are pros and cons to both.
I am getting my 10D today along with 2 lenses, UV filters, remote
shutter, 1 gig card, Lowepro backpack. I want to be able to get the
most out of my camera. This is my first camera with RAW
capabilities. I have read that RAW is a digital negative and can be
played with in Photoshop. I have PS7. I'd like to know what the
benefits of RAW are and are the results REALLY better than HI-JPEG?
Also, how can I know what settings to adjust and to what levels in
photoshop after shooting raw? And will PS7 convert the file to
JPEG? Thank you for helping me.
 
If you just print them both straight (with few adjustments made), you'll never notice the difference (even up to 13x20"). Even reasonable adjustments made to both won't be noticable.

RAW is nice for really tough exposures, because there's slightly more dynamic range, so you can pull up dark detail more than in JPEGs.

RAW is also nice in tough lighting conditions where you aren't positive about the white-balance, or you're not sure if the camera has got it right. In raw, you adjust the whitebalance after-the-fact.

On the jpeg-advantage side, RAWs take quite a bit more time to process, they take up lots more space, and they slow down your camera in repetitive shooting (due to larger files on the CF card)...

I think this summarizes the important aspects to the question, as I see it.

But someone else had the best advice - TRY BOTH and see how they work for you!
I am getting my 10D today along with 2 lenses, UV filters, remote
shutter, 1 gig card, Lowepro backpack. I want to be able to get the
most out of my camera. This is my first camera with RAW
capabilities. I have read that RAW is a digital negative and can be
played with in Photoshop. I have PS7. I'd like to know what the
benefits of RAW are and are the results REALLY better than HI-JPEG?
Also, how can I know what settings to adjust and to what levels in
photoshop after shooting raw? And will PS7 convert the file to
JPEG? Thank you for helping me.
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http://www.pbase.com/stevegrillo , Equipment on profile page
 
how many times has this happened:

1. you shot a bunch of really good pics only to find out later that you left the WB on a previous setting, and had a terrible colorcast on all the shots
2. the auto WB didnt do such a great job in difficult conditions

both very easy to handle with raw
very difficult, maybe not possible, to fix properly with post-proccessing

feivel
I am getting my 10D today along with 2 lenses, UV filters, remote
shutter, 1 gig card, Lowepro backpack. I want to be able to get the
most out of my camera. This is my first camera with RAW
capabilities. I have read that RAW is a digital negative and can be
played with in Photoshop. I have PS7. I'd like to know what the
benefits of RAW are and are the results REALLY better than HI-JPEG?
Also, how can I know what settings to adjust and to what levels in
photoshop after shooting raw? And will PS7 convert the file to
JPEG? Thank you for helping me.
 
Dixielandcandles,

I'm also thinking about purchasing the 10D with the exact accessories you listed i.e. two lenses, 1GB card, Lowepro bag, UV filters, remote shutter, etc. This will be my first SLR camera, and I would like to know what type of lenses you ordered. I already have an old Canon 50mm lens from my dad's 35mm A1, so I was considering the 50mm macro lens and a wide angle zoom lens because I like close-ups and landscapes, respectively. Then again, I would probably need a telephoto lens too becuase I like wildlife and multisport events. Ahhhh!! I'm starting again -- NO NO -- I will only get two lenses this time. OK, so yes, any comments on your experience purchasing the 10D with your accessories would be of great help. I first budgeted around $1500 for just the 10D and a lens, but I'm beginning to realize that $2500 is a bit more realistic for my needs -- I'll just have to hide the extra grand from my girlfriend.

--
-James
 
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RAW is nice for really tough exposures, because there's slightly
more dynamic range, so you can pull up dark detail more than in
JPEGs.

RAW is also nice in tough lighting conditions where you aren't
positive about the white-balance, or you're not sure if the camera
has got it right. In raw, you adjust the whitebalance
after-the-fact.

On the jpeg-advantage side, RAWs take quite a bit more time to
process, they take up lots more space, and they slow down your
camera in repetitive shooting (due to larger files on the CF
card)...

I think this summarizes the important aspects to the question, as I
see it.

But someone else had the best advice - TRY BOTH and see how they
work for you!
I am getting my 10D today along with 2 lenses, UV filters, remote
shutter, 1 gig card, Lowepro backpack. I want to be able to get the
most out of my camera. This is my first camera with RAW
capabilities. I have read that RAW is a digital negative and can be
played with in Photoshop. I have PS7. I'd like to know what the
benefits of RAW are and are the results REALLY better than HI-JPEG?
Also, how can I know what settings to adjust and to what levels in
photoshop after shooting raw? And will PS7 convert the file to
JPEG? Thank you for helping me.
--
http://www.pbase.com/stevegrillo , Equipment on profile page
 
OMG, Mike, thank you so much, let's up my budget to $3000 now, and let's make that three EF lenses. This hobby is going to send me to the poor house if I'm not careful.

--
-James
 
Don't think of "raw v jpg" as a difference in image quality, necessarily. Rather, think of it as a difference in processing.

Let's face it, with digital SLRs, you're going to be processing your images, doing the color and density corrections that your lab USED to do for you when it made prints from your negatives. The biggest difference between raw and jpg files are how you produce your final images.

JPG files from digital cameras are already processed, actually. The camera takes the raw capture data and puts it in a standard file format, apply sharpening levels, contrast, color, white balance, etc. Raw files are a bit different. They are essentially a dump of all that basic data to the storage card. In fact, except for the embedded JPG file (yes, some digital SLRs embedd a processed JPG within the raw file), the data isn't even an actual image file that you can look at yet!

After the raw file is copied to your computer, special software is used to then do the work that your camera would have already done to the JPG file, had you chosen that format instead. Only now, YOU get to select the parameter, from white balance and exposure, to color and contrast. The level of control is simply incredible.

Comparatively, when correcting JPG files, you're actually altering an already processed image, manipulating something that is already one way and trying to make it something else. Depending upon the image, this CAN be tedious and time-consuming. And Photoshop isn't exactly the easiest application to learn that's out there!

Now, it is entirely possible for you and your camera to create a perfect JPG capture that requires no further manipulations. And if so, you won't complain about the image quality; Fine JPGs look terrific. The problem arises when things DIDN'T go perfectly during the capture state; maybe the white balance was off, or you underexposed by a stop.

Quite simply, what can happen almost effortlessly during raw conversion can sometimes be a real bear in PS to change. And Capture One conversion software also allows you to apply settings to a series of images, even further reducing the amount of time required. Sure, the computer will then have to process each one, but it handles that part on its own after you've told it what settings you want.

Here's my classic example that I share in this forum. The following image was one of the first images I ever capture with the D30, way back in the spring of 2001. Memory cost alot back then, and a 128MB card (about $350) would hold about 125 JPGs or just a few dozen raw files. Easy decision, right? Well, a few images had some real white balance problems. I was able to fix this one, but it took a LONG time in Photoshop (it would take less now because I know the software better, but there would still be no "instant" cure.) By contrast, the same correction would have taken just a few seconds if I had used a raw file and could simply click-white.





Based on this information, you may very well decided that JPG files are fine for you. Even many professionals think so! (I shoot weddings, and do NOT think so, but that's just me!) However, I've never actually regretted having a raw file to work from after the fact.

One other quick note:

Capture One in particular also has wonderful built-in sharpening and noise reduction tools that offer superior quality because they actually occur during the raw-jpg conversion process. These features are more difficult to apply as effectively to already-processed JPGs. I remember how the D30 had a fairly noisy ISO 1600 until I put my files -- even the old ones! -- into the Capture One software. The images were beautiful. It was like upgrading my camera! I went back and used the C1 software on some of my old images and the results were considerably better.
I am getting my 10D today along with 2 lenses, UV filters, remote
shutter, 1 gig card, Lowepro backpack. I want to be able to get the
most out of my camera. This is my first camera with RAW
capabilities. I have read that RAW is a digital negative and can be
played with in Photoshop. I have PS7. I'd like to know what the
benefits of RAW are and are the results REALLY better than HI-JPEG?
Also, how can I know what settings to adjust and to what levels in
photoshop after shooting raw? And will PS7 convert the file to
JPEG? Thank you for helping me.
 
James, I looked for your email address on your profile, but wasn't there. I hope you get this answer. I ordered my camera Thursday afternoon and it arrived this morning (Monday)! Wow! I loved doing business with http://www.onecall.com Now, the lenses I ordered were the 50mm Canon 1.8 ($69) and the Tamron 28-75XR Di ($349). This is after reading many reviews and 99% of all info I found stated these lenses were the best for their prices. I have to wait a few days before I get my 1 gig card, remote shutter and backpack since I ordered it from BH and it didn't ship till today:(

I just walked in the door from work, haven't opened the package with my 10D yet. Was gonna surprise my GF when she gets here. Please email me at [email protected] and I will give you updates over the next few days, and maybe send you a few shots from each lens. Oh, if you do order from onecall.com, please mention me, they'll send me a check! Danny Bruce, Mississippi. Thanks! Now, email me! :)
OMG, Mike, thank you so much, let's up my budget to $3000 now, and
let's make that three EF lenses. This hobby is going to send me to
the poor house if I'm not careful.

--
-James
 
If I'm not mistaken PS CS is the first version of PS with built-in RAW conversion. I don't think PS7 has native RAW conversion capability, you'll have to either buy the RAW converter separately or upgrade to PS CS.
And will PS7 convert the file to
JPEG? Thank you for helping me.
 
Well done!!
Let's face it, with digital SLRs, you're going to be processing
your images, doing the color and density corrections that your lab
USED to do for you when it made prints from your negatives. The
biggest difference between raw and jpg files are how you produce
your final images.

JPG files from digital cameras are already processed, actually. The
camera takes the raw capture data and puts it in a standard file
format, apply sharpening levels, contrast, color, white balance,
etc. Raw files are a bit different. They are essentially a dump of
all that basic data to the storage card. In fact, except for the
embedded JPG file (yes, some digital SLRs embedd a processed JPG
within the raw file), the data isn't even an actual image file that
you can look at yet!

After the raw file is copied to your computer, special software is
used to then do the work that your camera would have already done
to the JPG file, had you chosen that format instead. Only now, YOU
get to select the parameter, from white balance and exposure, to
color and contrast. The level of control is simply incredible.

Comparatively, when correcting JPG files, you're actually altering
an already processed image, manipulating something that is already
one way and trying to make it something else. Depending upon the
image, this CAN be tedious and time-consuming. And Photoshop isn't
exactly the easiest application to learn that's out there!

Now, it is entirely possible for you and your camera to create a
perfect JPG capture that requires no further manipulations. And if
so, you won't complain about the image quality; Fine JPGs look
terrific. The problem arises when things DIDN'T go perfectly during
the capture state; maybe the white balance was off, or you
underexposed by a stop.

Quite simply, what can happen almost effortlessly during raw
conversion can sometimes be a real bear in PS to change. And
Capture One conversion software also allows you to apply settings
to a series of images, even further reducing the amount of time
required. Sure, the computer will then have to process each one,
but it handles that part on its own after you've told it what
settings you want.

Here's my classic example that I share in this forum. The
following image was one of the first images I ever capture with the
D30, way back in the spring of 2001. Memory cost alot back then,
and a 128MB card (about $350) would hold about 125 JPGs or just a
few dozen raw files. Easy decision, right? Well, a few images had
some real white balance problems. I was able to fix this one, but
it took a LONG time in Photoshop (it would take less now because I
know the software better, but there would still be no "instant"
cure.) By contrast, the same correction would have taken just a few
seconds if I had used a raw file and could simply click-white.





Based on this information, you may very well decided that JPG files
are fine for you. Even many professionals think so! (I shoot
weddings, and do NOT think so, but that's just me!) However, I've
never actually regretted having a raw file to work from after the
fact.

One other quick note:

Capture One in particular also has wonderful built-in sharpening
and noise reduction tools that offer superior quality because they
actually occur during the raw-jpg conversion process. These
features are more difficult to apply as effectively to
already-processed JPGs. I remember how the D30 had a fairly noisy
ISO 1600 until I put my files -- even the old ones! -- into the
Capture One software. The images were beautiful. It was like
upgrading my camera! I went back and used the C1 software on some
of my old images and the results were considerably better.
I am getting my 10D today along with 2 lenses, UV filters, remote
shutter, 1 gig card, Lowepro backpack. I want to be able to get the
most out of my camera. This is my first camera with RAW
capabilities. I have read that RAW is a digital negative and can be
played with in Photoshop. I have PS7. I'd like to know what the
benefits of RAW are and are the results REALLY better than HI-JPEG?
Also, how can I know what settings to adjust and to what levels in
photoshop after shooting raw? And will PS7 convert the file to
JPEG? Thank you for helping me.
 
Just to let you know, PS7 will not convert raw files. Photoshop CS uses a raw conversion, photoshop conversion cannot be added to ps7. You will have to buy CS to have that feature. Photoshop 7 will open raw files but it will not keep them in raw form they will be converted to crw tiff files. You cannot use layers or selections, unless you convert to a regular jpg or tiff. I have only been using canon raw in photoshop for a couple of weeks, so i could be missing something. I have beeen using photoshop 7 however for a couple of years. hope this helps
 

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