OT PayPal Woes

Frank from AZ · Jul 9, 2004

I am just trying why you wouldn't leave negative feedback for the guy if he ripped you off?

dchao said:
eBay Item: 3185508642

Same items the seller was trying to sell, I have contacted all the
buyer, and no one had received a single email from this guy! Take
a look and see what you can tell me, I am not a eBay newbie either
(with 140+ 100% pos feedbacks)

01,Apr-01, 3185508642, ldasma
02,Apr-01, 3185509409, ldasma
03,Apr-01, 3185509223, angeleyes91521
04,Apr-01, 3185506427, randomvaultguy
05,Apr-01, 3185695421, gratefulsue
06,Apr-01, 3185693622, gratefulsue
07,Apr-01, 3185694821, gratefulsue
08,Apr-01, 3185696744, gratefulsue
09,Apr-05, 3186300189, gratefulsue
10,Apr-02, 3185734250, ceron
11,Apr-07, 3186709184, ceron,
12,Apr-05, 3186300483, dchao99
13,Apr-05, 3186300028, choctaw111
14,Apr-07, 3186693044, klausunion
15,Apr-07, 3186692838, wraith1966squadron
16,Apr-08, 3186859884, jake781026

The last LEGO's he was trying to sell (3186859549) but caught by me
before the sale was completed.

Here is the bid history for the last item, interesting to note that
gadget-tron was hologramgod himself. And gadget-tron had also left
pos feedbacks for hologramdog.
http://offer.ebay.com/ws3/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3186859549
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=hologramdog

So within 2 weekes, the seller had pocketed over $3000. And now,
he is probably using another user ID and doing the same thing to
others.

I am not complaining about the millions of honest users of the
Internet. It's PayPal no doing anything to prevent crime on the
Internet! Nothing!

Just tell me if you can find a telephone number listed on PayPal's
site. I had no problem with PayPal until something went wrong, and
then there is nothing from PayPal, denying all responsibility.

Also, it depends on what you are trading on eBay too, if it's less
than $100, the frausters are unlikely to be paying any interest in
them.

Frank from AZ said:

Between me and Ghuff, we have over 1000 transactions with paypal
without a problem. I have not had a SINGLE problem with over 200
transactions. If fraud were as rampant as you claim, don't you
think we would have been victimized at least once?

At least once???????? What are the odds of 1000 transactions
without fraud if Paypal really were as bad as you claim?????

Can you give us the item number you paid for and then the item
number where it was relisted??????

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--
Frank from Phoenix
Canon 1D Mk2, Minolta G500 and lots of typos
digital evolution: Nikon 990> OlyE20> Pentax *ist D> CanonMK2> ?????

Neal Martin · Jul 9, 2004

I've only done a couple of large ($1k) ebay transactions. In all cases, large or small, I've had at least 2 email exchanges with the other buyer/seller. I've got my own very informal "rating" scale. Nothing less than obvious:

hotmail address--not a good sign.
doesn't answer email--very bad sign
gives full answer/query without skimping or gushing--good
dot edu a bit of a plus
business or personal name I can Google--informative
sensible, literate explanation of why you are selling/buying

None of the above takes much time

--
Neal Martin

GagBagger · Jul 9, 2004

Frank from AZ said:
I've been ripped off far more by Walmart and Target that 1 in every
1000 transactions, dishonest checkers pocketing money, not
putting high price items in bag, etc etc. In fact, I think it's
safer than the traditional way of sellling used goods: ad in
paper, meet some stranger face to face: how many people have been
robbed that way? You've got to look at the whole picture.

The "whole" picture is that Pay"pal" will FREEZE your ENTIRE account -- including any and all LEGITIMATE outstanding transactions and balances. That means you could have $10,000 ($3,400 in my case) and one even remotely questionable transaction for $200 will FREEZE all $10,000 for weeks or MONTHS! During which time you can no longer use your account for anything.

What would that do you then?

You're not seeing the big picture here. "It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye." In 2000-2001 my wife and I did over $80,000 worth of commercial business through X.com's Pay"pal". When we suspected one individual was using a fraudulent credit card for a measly $900 transaction we actually emailed and called Pay"pal" on six different occasions to report our suspicions. Each time PP said all was OK and to proceed with the transaction. We asked them to verify, and they told us the same thing. Two weeks later our account was frozen with over $3,400 in OTHER funds totally unrelated to the funds in question. That was 2001 -- our account is still frozen and they still have our $3,400.

I've gone into the minute details many, many times here, on FM.com, and on Paypalsucks.com, so I'll not repeat them for the billionth time again, but suffice it to say, it's all good until the moment you breath funny, and then you're axed along with all legitimate monies. PP will even debit any linked accounts if they think they can milk you for more, which they're proven countless times.

Yes, it's true, Pay"pal" is financial Russian Roulette.

They count on the apathy of people such as yourself (not a personal shot, BTW, just a fact). If they can keep 98% of their customers satisfied, then that's all that matters to them (and to most of that 98%). Fortunately, some people empathize and refuse to use their "service" on principle.

Brendan
--
Things that make you go, hmmmm...

GagBagger · Jul 9, 2004

Neal Martin said:
I've only done a couple of large ($1k) ebay transactions. In all
cases, large or small, I've had at least 2 email exchanges with the
other buyer/seller. I've got my own very informal "rating" scale.
Nothing less than obvious:

All of your points are useless in Bob's situation. It had nothing to do with a sale. All they say is that there have been reports suspecting his account is somehow fraudulent.

This is not transaction-related. Pay"pal" arbitrarily froze his account, and his money, with no legitimate reason given.

Behold, the power of Pay"pal."

Brendan
--
Things that make you go, hmmmm...

dchao · Jul 9, 2004

The fraud scheme was very simple.

Let's say I just bought the Pentax DSLR from you. Checked out your history, had a few transaction 100% pos feedback, and you were also a PayPal verified seller too. I sent you the money via PayPal. You got the money and transfered the funds out of your account immediately and un-registered yourself from eBay and PayPal.

After a few days, no email no DSLR from you. Noticed PayPal, but they won't take action for another 10 days, which gived you more time to get the money out of PayPal. At the same time, since you were no longer registerred, there was also no way to leave neg feedback for you.

You got the cash, and open a few more phantom accounts with eBay and PalPay, and the fraud continues....

Frank from AZ said:
dchao said:

eBay Item: 3185508642

Same items the seller was trying to sell, I have contacted all the
buyer, and no one had received a single email from this guy! Take
a look and see what you can tell me, I am not a eBay newbie either
(with 140+ 100% pos feedbacks)

01,Apr-01, 3185508642, ldasma
02,Apr-01, 3185509409, ldasma
03,Apr-01, 3185509223, angeleyes91521
04,Apr-01, 3185506427, randomvaultguy
05,Apr-01, 3185695421, gratefulsue
06,Apr-01, 3185693622, gratefulsue
07,Apr-01, 3185694821, gratefulsue
08,Apr-01, 3185696744, gratefulsue
09,Apr-05, 3186300189, gratefulsue
10,Apr-02, 3185734250, ceron
11,Apr-07, 3186709184, ceron,
12,Apr-05, 3186300483, dchao99
13,Apr-05, 3186300028, choctaw111
14,Apr-07, 3186693044, klausunion
15,Apr-07, 3186692838, wraith1966squadron
16,Apr-08, 3186859884, jake781026

The last LEGO's he was trying to sell (3186859549) but caught by me
before the sale was completed.

Here is the bid history for the last item, interesting to note that
gadget-tron was hologramgod himself. And gadget-tron had also left
pos feedbacks for hologramdog.
http://offer.ebay.com/ws3/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3186859549
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=hologramdog

So within 2 weekes, the seller had pocketed over $3000. And now,
he is probably using another user ID and doing the same thing to
others.

I am not complaining about the millions of honest users of the
Internet. It's PayPal no doing anything to prevent crime on the
Internet! Nothing!

Just tell me if you can find a telephone number listed on PayPal's
site. I had no problem with PayPal until something went wrong, and
then there is nothing from PayPal, denying all responsibility.

Also, it depends on what you are trading on eBay too, if it's less
than $100, the frausters are unlikely to be paying any interest in
them.

Frank from AZ said:

Between me and Ghuff, we have over 1000 transactions with paypal
without a problem. I have not had a SINGLE problem with over 200
transactions. If fraud were as rampant as you claim, don't you
think we would have been victimized at least once?

At least once???????? What are the odds of 1000 transactions
without fraud if Paypal really were as bad as you claim?????

Can you give us the item number you paid for and then the item
number where it was relisted??????

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Canon 1D Mk2, Minolta G500 and lots of typos
digital evolution: Nikon 990> OlyE20> Pentax *ist D> CanonMK2> ?????

dchao · Jul 9, 2004

Thanks for thats, I searched high and low for PayPal's number last time. I will bookmark that page now.

I also smelled something bad one or two days later after same items keep coming up for auctions. I noticed PayPal and eBay, and requested they stop the transaction, but they refused. I got a standatd email said the complaint process will take 10 days to complete.

I am very bitter, because if they had stopped the transaction, this guy will never have got my money. I had to use my credit company to refund the money back to me. This exactly the attitude PayPal is taking: you used your credit card, so let them sort it out.

moT said:
https://www.paypal.com/us/cgi-bin/webscr?cmd=_contact-phone

I had an e-bay item I got screwed on pretty bad....$1500.00

It turned out to be a scam and I contacted PayPal and got my money
back in HOURS!!

They pulled it right back out of the guys account and refunded my
money.

I called PayPal and the rep took me through the process to file a
complaint...a few hours later, the money was returned.

dchao · Jul 9, 2004

Exactly, they can come back to you for the money even month after the transaction is closed. They got your bank account details, they can do anything they like to your money .....

E C Loebl said:
E C Loebl said:

I now never ship anything to anyone who has paid with paypal until
the funds have gone into my bank account!

I had a problem about a year ago with someone buying a camera from
me and I shipped it and then I get an email from paypal saying that
it was fraudulent funts and took the money back. Meanwhile a $1500
camera is being overnighted to the person who stole the other guys
account.

It's just so risky out there now!

Good luck!

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Steven Noyes · Jul 9, 2004

PayPal is the bane of all existence then. Try to close your account or half dozen other things. I have been under whelmed by PayPal's commitment to honesty and security.

Steven

Frank from AZ said:
dchao said:

eBay Item: 3185508642

Same items the seller was trying to sell, I have contacted all the
buyer, and no one had received a single email from this guy! Take
a look and see what you can tell me, I am not a eBay newbie either
(with 140+ 100% pos feedbacks)

01,Apr-01, 3185508642, ldasma
02,Apr-01, 3185509409, ldasma
03,Apr-01, 3185509223, angeleyes91521
04,Apr-01, 3185506427, randomvaultguy
05,Apr-01, 3185695421, gratefulsue
06,Apr-01, 3185693622, gratefulsue
07,Apr-01, 3185694821, gratefulsue
08,Apr-01, 3185696744, gratefulsue
09,Apr-05, 3186300189, gratefulsue
10,Apr-02, 3185734250, ceron
11,Apr-07, 3186709184, ceron,
12,Apr-05, 3186300483, dchao99
13,Apr-05, 3186300028, choctaw111
14,Apr-07, 3186693044, klausunion
15,Apr-07, 3186692838, wraith1966squadron
16,Apr-08, 3186859884, jake781026

The last LEGO's he was trying to sell (3186859549) but caught by me
before the sale was completed.

Here is the bid history for the last item, interesting to note that
gadget-tron was hologramgod himself. And gadget-tron had also left
pos feedbacks for hologramdog.
http://offer.ebay.com/ws3/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewBids&item=3186859549
http://feedback.ebay.com/ws1/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewFeedback&userid=hologramdog

So within 2 weekes, the seller had pocketed over $3000. And now,
he is probably using another user ID and doing the same thing to
others.

I am not complaining about the millions of honest users of the
Internet. It's PayPal no doing anything to prevent crime on the
Internet! Nothing!

Just tell me if you can find a telephone number listed on PayPal's
site. I had no problem with PayPal until something went wrong, and
then there is nothing from PayPal, denying all responsibility.

Also, it depends on what you are trading on eBay too, if it's less
than $100, the frausters are unlikely to be paying any interest in
them.

Frank from AZ said:

Between me and Ghuff, we have over 1000 transactions with paypal
without a problem. I have not had a SINGLE problem with over 200
transactions. If fraud were as rampant as you claim, don't you
think we would have been victimized at least once?

At least once???????? What are the odds of 1000 transactions
without fraud if Paypal really were as bad as you claim?????

Can you give us the item number you paid for and then the item
number where it was relisted??????

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

--
Frank from Phoenix
Canon 1D Mk2, Minolta G500 and lots of typos
digital evolution: Nikon 990> OlyE20> Pentax *ist D> CanonMK2> ?????

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Steven Noyes · Jul 9, 2004

PayPal will get a few more and force them to:

1) consider security a serious issue.
2) Consider adequate customer service.
3) or simply go out of business.

With them, it is not if you have a problem with them, it is when.

Steven

Frank from AZ said:
http://www.bigclassaction.com/alphabetical.html

Noldar said:

http://home.businesswire.com/portal/site/altavista/index.jsp?ndmViewId=news_view&newsId=20040614005986&newsLang=en
http://paypalsucks.com/

Bob Bennett wrote:
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dspmax · Jul 9, 2004

Steven Noyes said:
1) consider security a serious issue.
2) Consider adequate customer service.
3) or simply go out of business.

4) consider freezing more accounts, to pay for all the law suits ;-)

I think i'm going to close mine.

Dennis Lathem49692 · Jul 9, 2004

dspmax said:
dspmax said:

1) consider security a serious issue.
2) Consider adequate customer service.
3) or simply go out of business.

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4) consider freezing more accounts, to pay for all the law suits ;-)

I think i'm going to close mine.

I have not made but a few dozen transactions with them and my only experience with trying to actually talk with someone was very bad because, as has been pointed out here, they make it very hard to find out the phone number.

I have only received payment one time for an article I sold and the Pay Pal stuff was confusing and the fees were rather shocking.

I haven't used it in months so I closed it today, but I deleted my information first and it did let me close the account.

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Dray · Jul 9, 2004

Bob Bennett said:
I sold a camera last Friday recieved payment via Paypal. The buyer
sent the money to Paypal and I sent him the camera.

Paypal has put a hold on the account and will not pay me. The
reason stated on the web site is that 'More than one buyer has
reported suspicious activity on your account'. I have only made
this one transaction on Paypal and the buyer assures me he is very
happy with the camera and has made no such claim.

The customer service reps agree that no buyers have filed any
claims despite the information on the web site. They tell me that
'security' has issued the hold and they have no idea why. They say
I should hear something in about three weeks. Given that they don't
seem to know whats going on I don't have much confidence in this
estimate.

Any suggestions about a next step? I can't afford a lawyer
--
Bob Bennett

Frank from AZ · Jul 9, 2004

My bank has frozen my accounts because of suspected fraudulent activity, which turned out to be me on a business trip. If I hadn't had credit cards and was relying on my debit cards I would have been up sh*& creek. You've pointed out nothing any other financial institute doesn't do differently.

Again, if it where Russian Roulette, how can you account for over 1000 transactions between two posters without a hitch? I think our experience is indicative of the level of fraud on ebay and paypal.

Apathy? I have never had a bad experience, how is that apathy? Would you have me file complaints when all was well? I don't like fixing things that aren't broke. Doing over 50 transactions in the last 2 months is hardly apethetic. What is your point in choosing the term apathy?

I don't believe you are telling the complete story regarding your experiences. As a trial lawyer, I've learned to sense BS when I see. And I see it now. Sorry, but my experiences and others just completely belies your claims.

GagBagger said:
Frank from AZ said:

I've been ripped off far more by Walmart and Target that 1 in every
1000 transactions, dishonest checkers pocketing money, not
putting high price items in bag, etc etc. In fact, I think it's
safer than the traditional way of sellling used goods: ad in
paper, meet some stranger face to face: how many people have been
robbed that way? You've got to look at the whole picture.

Click to expand...

The "whole" picture is that Pay"pal" will FREEZE your ENTIRE
account -- including any and all LEGITIMATE outstanding
transactions and balances. That means you could have $10,000
($3,400 in my case) and one even remotely questionable transaction
for $200 will FREEZE all $10,000 for weeks or MONTHS! During which
time you can no longer use your account for anything.

What would that do you then?

You're not seeing the big picture here. "It's all fun and games
until someone loses an eye." In 2000-2001 my wife and I did over
$80,000 worth of commercial business through X.com's Pay"pal". When
we suspected one individual was using a fraudulent credit card for
a measly $900 transaction we actually emailed and called Pay"pal"
on six different occasions to report our suspicions. Each time PP
said all was OK and to proceed with the transaction. We asked them
to verify, and they told us the same thing. Two weeks later our
account was frozen with over $3,400 in OTHER funds totally
unrelated to the funds in question. That was 2001 -- our account is
still frozen and they still have our $3,400.

I've gone into the minute details many, many times here, on FM.com,
and on Paypalsucks.com, so I'll not repeat them for the billionth
time again, but suffice it to say, it's all good until the moment
you breath funny, and then you're axed along with all legitimate
monies. PP will even debit any linked accounts if they think they
can milk you for more, which they're proven countless times.

Yes, it's true, Pay"pal" is financial Russian Roulette.

They count on the apathy of people such as yourself (not a personal
shot, BTW, just a fact). If they can keep 98% of their customers
satisfied, then that's all that matters to them (and to most of
that 98%). Fortunately, some people empathize and refuse to use
their "service" on principle.

Brendan
--
Things that make you go, hmmmm...

--
Frank from Phoenix
Canon 1D Mk2, Minolta G500 and lots of typos
digital evolution: Nikon 990> OlyE20> Pentax *ist D> CanonMK2> ?????

Greg M · Jul 9, 2004

Frank from AZ said:
My bank has frozen my accounts because of suspected fraudulent
activity, which turned out to be me on a business trip. If I
hadn't had credit cards and was relying on my debit cards I would
have been up sh*& creek. You've pointed out nothing any other
financial institute doesn't do differently.

The difference is that I can go to the bank and talk to people there. I can walk over and talk to the manager face to face. I can file a complaint with the state that I live in. I can take them to court in the state that I live in.

To try and do any of this with a company that is on the other side of the country is impossible and they know that so they can just blow you off knowing that chances are you won't do anything.

As to your comment about stores, well that's just a silly comparrison. We're talking about possible $1000's of dollars compared to a carton of milk or a pack of hot dogs!?!? If something gets left at the store or I get the wrong change then it's just as much my fault as it is theirs for not paying attention. BTW, most of the time if there is a mistake it's me giving them back the change because they gave me too much.

Frank from AZ said:
Again, if it where Russian Roulette, how can you account for over
1000 transactions between two posters without a hitch? I think our
experience is indicative of the level of fraud on ebay and paypal.

Problem is when things go wrong you've got no leverage. They hold all of the cards and you're at their mercy.

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http://dslr.mocanu.com

Greg M · Jul 9, 2004

They've got a bank account that has $9 in it at a bank that I don't do any other business at. There are ways to minimize your exposure to paypal but in the end they still hold all of the cards.

dchao said:
E C Loebl said:

dchao said:

I now never ship anything to anyone who has paid with paypal until
the funds have gone into my bank account!

I had a problem about a year ago with someone buying a camera from
me and I shipped it and then I get an email from paypal saying that
it was fraudulent funts and took the money back. Meanwhile a $1500
camera is being overnighted to the person who stole the other guys
account.

It's just so risky out there now!

Good luck!

Click to expand...

Click to expand...

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dchao · Jul 9, 2004

Frank,

Then tell me why is it so difficult to find a phone number on PayPal's web site?

Even after you file a complaint, you are still just handled by a computer, not a single real person is assigned to your case.

In my case, they finally acknowledged my transaction was fraudulent. Not a single email from PayPal indicating that they were trying to do anything or even attempting to recover the fund. Even the transaction WAS covered by the seller protection, I did not get a penny back from PayPal. The reason, the seller was no longer a registered user.

After I filed a charge-back request through the credit card company. I again, received a computer generated email from PayPal, telling me how I should go throught the PayPal complaint procedures instead, and stop causing more trouble through the credit card company.

Basically, the message I get from PayPal is: if you loss money through us, accept it's YOUR own bloody fault, stop wasting our time.

Frank from AZ said:
Again, if it where Russian Roulette, how can you account for over
1000 transactions between two posters without a hitch? I think our
experience is indicative of the level of fraud on ebay and paypal.

Apathy? I have never had a bad experience, how is that apathy?
Would you have me file complaints when all was well? I don't like
fixing things that aren't broke. Doing over 50 transactions in the
last 2 months is hardly apethetic. What is your point in choosing
the term apathy?

I don't believe you are telling the complete story regarding your
experiences. As a trial lawyer, I've learned to sense BS when I
see. And I see it now. Sorry, but my experiences and others just
completely belies your claims.

GagBagger said:

Frank from AZ said:

I've been ripped off far more by Walmart and Target that 1 in every
1000 transactions, dishonest checkers pocketing money, not
putting high price items in bag, etc etc. In fact, I think it's
safer than the traditional way of sellling used goods: ad in
paper, meet some stranger face to face: how many people have been
robbed that way? You've got to look at the whole picture.

Click to expand...

The "whole" picture is that Pay"pal" will FREEZE your ENTIRE
account -- including any and all LEGITIMATE outstanding
transactions and balances. That means you could have $10,000
($3,400 in my case) and one even remotely questionable transaction
for $200 will FREEZE all $10,000 for weeks or MONTHS! During which
time you can no longer use your account for anything.

What would that do you then?

You're not seeing the big picture here. "It's all fun and games
until someone loses an eye." In 2000-2001 my wife and I did over
$80,000 worth of commercial business through X.com's Pay"pal". When
we suspected one individual was using a fraudulent credit card for
a measly $900 transaction we actually emailed and called Pay"pal"
on six different occasions to report our suspicions. Each time PP
said all was OK and to proceed with the transaction. We asked them
to verify, and they told us the same thing. Two weeks later our
account was frozen with over $3,400 in OTHER funds totally
unrelated to the funds in question. That was 2001 -- our account is
still frozen and they still have our $3,400.

I've gone into the minute details many, many times here, on FM.com,
and on Paypalsucks.com, so I'll not repeat them for the billionth
time again, but suffice it to say, it's all good until the moment
you breath funny, and then you're axed along with all legitimate
monies. PP will even debit any linked accounts if they think they
can milk you for more, which they're proven countless times.

Yes, it's true, Pay"pal" is financial Russian Roulette.

They count on the apathy of people such as yourself (not a personal
shot, BTW, just a fact). If they can keep 98% of their customers
satisfied, then that's all that matters to them (and to most of
that 98%). Fortunately, some people empathize and refuse to use
their "service" on principle.

Brendan
--
Things that make you go, hmmmm...

Click to expand...

--
Frank from Phoenix
Canon 1D Mk2, Minolta G500 and lots of typos
digital evolution: Nikon 990> OlyE20> Pentax *ist D> CanonMK2> ?????

GagBagger · Jul 9, 2004

Frank from AZ said:
My bank has frozen my accounts because of suspected fraudulent
activity, which turned out to be me on a business trip.

Paypal is NOT a bank, neither are they a financial institution of any kind. You mean to tell me that your bank froze ALL of your accounts while you were away on business -- checking, savings, credit, debit?! My bank would never do that, but Pay"pal" does.

Frankly, your analogy is flawed, as there is no comparison. And I'd have that BS detector of yours checked. It's askew. By blatently basing EVERYONE'S experience solely upon your own is disingenuous at best, and making claims that Pay"pal" can do no wrong as a result of your good experience is fundamentally flawed logic.

I prefer to let common sense prevail. Something most lawyers seem to have a paucity of.

Brendan
--
Things that make you go, hmmmm...

dchao · Jul 9, 2004

Frank meant the Debit ATM/Card, not his whole bank account, a hope.

I am sure if if his account was really compromised. If he just walk right into his branch and talk to the manager, and he could still have access to his money the next minute.

But think about what Frank did next, he contacted his bank and someone spoke to him over the phone and got him straighten out in no time.

PayPal would never do that for you.

GagBagger said:
Frank from AZ said:

My bank has frozen my accounts because of suspected fraudulent
activity, which turned out to be me on a business trip.

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Paypal is NOT a bank, neither are they a financial institution of
any kind. You mean to tell me that your bank froze ALL of your
accounts while you were away on business -- checking, savings,
credit, debit?! My bank would never do that, but Pay"pal" does.

Frankly, your analogy is flawed, as there is no comparison. And I'd
have that BS detector of yours checked. It's askew. By blatently
basing EVERYONE'S experience solely upon your own is disingenuous
at best, and making claims that Pay"pal" can do no wrong as a
result of your good experience is fundamentally flawed logic.

I prefer to let common sense prevail. Something most lawyers seem
to have a paucity of.

Brendan
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GagBagger · Jul 9, 2004

It got a little heated. We obviously have our own opinions and experiences that we each believe are right, so no use arguing about it as it will profit nothing. Emotion and the Internet don't mix well.

Brendan
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Mr Mike · Jul 9, 2004

...PayPal was such a problem for so many. I have used it for a couple years without a single complant - am I just over due?

GagBagger said:
Neal Martin said:

I've only done a couple of large ($1k) ebay transactions. In all
cases, large or small, I've had at least 2 email exchanges with the
other buyer/seller. I've got my own very informal "rating" scale.
Nothing less than obvious:

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All of your points are useless in Bob's situation. It had nothing
to do with a sale. All they say is that there have been reports
suspecting his account is somehow fraudulent.

This is not transaction-related. Pay"pal" arbitrarily froze his
account, and his money, with no legitimate reason given.

Behold, the power of Pay"pal."

Brendan
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