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The point of the exercise was to show how easy make-overs are if you take multiple pics of the same set-up in continous mode. The light's the same, and the subjects don't have a chance to move very much.

Here are the two pictures I combined.

Version 1. I liked this one, except for the wandering gaze of the gal on the right.



Version 2. Nice, except for the expression on the gal in the middle upper row.



So I copied the face of the girl at the right on V2, and pasted it as a new layer on V1. Then I lowered the opacity of the top layer to 50%, so I could align the eyes precisely. At that point I ran the opacity back to 100%, used a feathered eraser at 25% strength to blend the edges, and then flattened the image.



It was easy, and even the experts on the Retouching Forum didn't guess the right subject :-).
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Great example. I saw it down in Retouching. I never thought it was the far right girl. lol

FYI: This thread is number 3 in Top Discussions on the front page, just behind "My D-70 Sucks!" Ughhh. lol

CCPandQ
Uncle Frank said:
The point of the exercise was to show how easy make-overs are if
you take multiple pics of the same set-up in continous mode. The
light's the same, and the subjects don't have a chance to move very
much.

Here are the two pictures I combined.

Version 1. I liked this one, except for the wandering gaze of the
gal on the right.



Version 2. Nice, except for the expression on the gal in the
middle upper row.



So I copied the face of the girl at the right on V2, and pasted it
as a new layer on V1. Then I lowered the opacity of the top layer
to 50%, so I could align the eyes precisely. At that point I ran
the opacity back to 100%, used a feathered eraser at 25% strength
to blend the edges, and then flattened the image.



It was easy, and even the experts on the Retouching Forum didn't
guess the right subject :-).
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Keep in mind that Uncle Frank will be regular poster. As he did in the Nikon Forum, you will see his name on the first page, frequently. He will post pictures and make comments and wait for you to respond. I have found out, first hand, he does not like challenges to his opinions. Uncle Frank will also lecture periodically on how we should all behave on this forum. He does take good pictures and the work that he has helped spawn with FCAS and macros has challenged me and a lot of others to be better photographers. His work motivated me to try harder. Recently, I entered a local photo contest and won a first, second, and honorable mention based on his and other's feedback. However, a grain of salt is in order. His current post is going to a generalization from an instantiation without an assumption of exportation. (Uncle Frank likes big words) In other words, he is assuming that there are no back focus problems, just back water photographers. The tone of Uncle Frank's post surprised me given what I have read from him in the past. Bad day at the office, Frank? Get used to him. He does have a lot to offer and will challenge you to be better at your craft. I can't wait for the infamous welcome post where he tells new posters the rules of the game. He is Phil's appointed assitant. I feel excited for all those posters who sent their camera in for a fix and now have no back focus problem. They became experts overnight with those big rigs! Thanks for your help Uncle Frank. Stick to what you do best... post photos and provide constructive critique... You never struck me as a ranter or belittler (except when you are mad)
Uncle Frank said:
I'm getting depressed reading the forum. Instead of being a
celebration of d70 photography and sharing of technique, the
dominant topic seems to be disappointment. Maybe expectations are
unrealistically high, or some people were unprepared for the
demands of a dslr... not just the d70, but any dslr.

The big rigs have less depth of field, so focusing techniques have
to be more precise, and manufacturers don't build as much image
processing into their dslrs as they do in their digicams, so the
photographer is expected to know how to "finish" the picture. I
believe these are the primary causes of the complaints about
"back-focus" and "dark images", which overwhelm the rest of the
traffic on the forum. I can only imagine how much it's costing
Nikon to service perfectly good cameras that are being returned
because of operator error :- .

Before someone jumps into the dslr arena, it would serve them well
to understand the relationships between apertures, shutter speed,
focal length, and DOF... and be well grounded in Photoshop.
Otherwise they may be disappointed with a major investment in a
dslr system that can run from $2,000 to $5,000, depending on lenses
and accessories.

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FCAS Charter Member, Hummingbird Hunter, Egret Stalker
Dilettante Appassionato
Coolpix Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/coolpix
D-Seventy Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/d70
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Mikhail Bogdanov said:
Still, no advise on shooting hummers?
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It's so easy. Just lure them into your outdoor studio space with food. A few teaspoons of sugar water a day will get you all the hummper photo-ops you could ever hope for.

I use the 70-300D from a distance of 8 or 10 feet to grab shots like these.







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Thanks, Flash... I think -lol.

Hey, nobody's perfect... and it's perfectly natural for us old guys get grouchy sometimes because of brain shrinkage.

Btw, nice use of the English language! You'll be happy to know that I had to run for the dictionary to parse some of your comments.
flashfenton said:
He does take good pictures and the work that he has helped spawn with FCAS and macros has challenged me and a lot of others to be better photographers. His work motivated me to try harder. Recently, I entered a local photo contest and won a first, second, and honorable mention based on his and other's feedback.
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Hey, you made my day with that part! Congratulations. How about letting us see the winning picture?

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is a legend in his own mind!

Like you, I'm still waiting anxiously for the welcome to the forum image. I also anticipate that he will be telling everyone the rules of forum soon, yet will tend to break every rule he mentions. His "non-contentious" posts are legendary. I have, however, found a few of his photoshop tutorials interesting, so I'll give some credence to those posts.

Any how could any post go without his legendary copy/paste, taken pieces out of context. I've come to realize that he enjoys seeing how many responses he can get to a given post, then watch his followers step in to defend him when someone makes a comment other than "Wow Frank, that's a great shot" and "you're the best thing this forum has seen since the preview button."
flashfenton said:
you will see his name on the first page, frequently.
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Pure comedy. One that every forum needs. Notice the use of the smiley face, Frank. That's code for "wink" not another contentious post.

:-)
flashfenton said:
Uncle Frank said:
I'm getting depressed reading the forum. Instead of being a
celebration of d70 photography and sharing of technique, the
dominant topic seems to be disappointment. Maybe expectations are
unrealistically high, or some people were unprepared for the
demands of a dslr... not just the d70, but any dslr.

The big rigs have less depth of field, so focusing techniques have
to be more precise, and manufacturers don't build as much image
processing into their dslrs as they do in their digicams, so the
photographer is expected to know how to "finish" the picture. I
believe these are the primary causes of the complaints about
"back-focus" and "dark images", which overwhelm the rest of the
traffic on the forum. I can only imagine how much it's costing
Nikon to service perfectly good cameras that are being returned
because of operator error :- .

Before someone jumps into the dslr arena, it would serve them well
to understand the relationships between apertures, shutter speed,
focal length, and DOF... and be well grounded in Photoshop.
Otherwise they may be disappointed with a major investment in a
dslr system that can run from $2,000 to $5,000, depending on lenses
and accessories.

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Warm regards, Uncle Frank,
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Dilettante Appassionato
Coolpix Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/coolpix
D-Seventy Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/d70
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It's folks like U.Frank, Phil Y., Jarrell C. and similar that made NTF such an interesting and nice place to live...

...so I for one applaud the aim of dragging this forum up to a higher level.

Folks like David C. and NoWhereAtoll have more-or-less alone tried to do the same until the sheer weight of negativity saps even their enthusiasim, maybe they'lll try again if we all help?

It is a downer when you post one or more photos and get near zero response but an adjacent thread carping about this or that aspect of the D70's perceived limitations gets tens if not hundreds of posts...

...but saying that, it still seems worth trying: if every posts their photos - good, bad, ugly or beautiful then it will eventually bring the forum back to discussing the positive, constructive side of the Nikon D70 and how to obtain their very best from it.

Ooops, I seem to have fallen off my soap-box ;-)

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I will post it soon. This computer needed to have a reformat due to a virus so I have my files on an external drive. When I reinstall photoshop etc. I will post it.
Uncle Frank said:
Hey, nobody's perfect... and it's perfectly natural for us old guys
get grouchy sometimes because of brain shrinkage.

Btw, nice use of the English language! You'll be happy to know
that I had to run for the dictionary to parse some of your comments.
Uncle Frank said:
He does take good pictures and the work that he has helped spawn with FCAS and macros has challenged me and a lot of others to be better photographers. His work motivated me to try harder. Recently, I entered a local photo contest and won a first, second, and honorable mention based on his and other's feedback.
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Hey, you made my day with that part! Congratulations. How about
letting us see the winning picture?

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Warm regards, Uncle Frank,
FCAS Charter Member, Hummingbird Hunter, Egret Stalker
Dilettante Appassionato
Coolpix Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/coolpix
D-Seventy Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/d70
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Could not say everything. My keyboard ran out of ink. I do think we should get back to posting photos and the technical stuff left to solving problems. That was what Frank was trying to say, I think. I am tired of the whiners. If you have a problem, ask the question. Leave the tears in your closet.
RicK Klein said:
Like you, I'm still waiting anxiously for the welcome to the forum
image. I also anticipate that he will be telling everyone the rules
of forum soon, yet will tend to break every rule he mentions. His
"non-contentious" posts are legendary. I have, however, found a few
of his photoshop tutorials interesting, so I'll give some credence
to those posts.

Any how could any post go without his legendary copy/paste, taken
pieces out of context. I've come to realize that he enjoys seeing
how many responses he can get to a given post, then watch his
followers step in to defend him when someone makes a comment other
than "Wow Frank, that's a great shot" and "you're the best thing
this forum has seen since the preview button."
RicK Klein said:
you will see his name on the first page, frequently.
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Pure comedy. One that every forum needs. Notice the use of the
smiley face, Frank. That's code for "wink" not another contentious
post.

:-)
flashfenton said:
Uncle Frank said:
I'm getting depressed reading the forum. Instead of being a
celebration of d70 photography and sharing of technique, the
dominant topic seems to be disappointment. Maybe expectations are
unrealistically high, or some people were unprepared for the
demands of a dslr... not just the d70, but any dslr.

The big rigs have less depth of field, so focusing techniques have
to be more precise, and manufacturers don't build as much image
processing into their dslrs as they do in their digicams, so the
photographer is expected to know how to "finish" the picture. I
believe these are the primary causes of the complaints about
"back-focus" and "dark images", which overwhelm the rest of the
traffic on the forum. I can only imagine how much it's costing
Nikon to service perfectly good cameras that are being returned
because of operator error :- .

Before someone jumps into the dslr arena, it would serve them well
to understand the relationships between apertures, shutter speed,
focal length, and DOF... and be well grounded in Photoshop.
Otherwise they may be disappointed with a major investment in a
dslr system that can run from $2,000 to $5,000, depending on lenses
and accessories.

--
Warm regards, Uncle Frank,
FCAS Charter Member, Hummingbird Hunter, Egret Stalker
Dilettante Appassionato
Coolpix Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/coolpix
D-Seventy Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/d70
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RicK
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as well as a friend of mine who posts here is that posts on photography often go unnoticed and without comment or help, while complaints snowball.

I think problems should be discussed, but let not forget this is a site for photography. UF will be a big source of help, critiques and knowlege. He has always been there for me as well as Jarrell, and many others.

Cant we all get along?
flashfenton said:
RicK Klein said:
Like you, I'm still waiting anxiously for the welcome to the forum
image. I also anticipate that he will be telling everyone the rules
of forum soon, yet will tend to break every rule he mentions. His
"non-contentious" posts are legendary. I have, however, found a few
of his photoshop tutorials interesting, so I'll give some credence
to those posts.

Any how could any post go without his legendary copy/paste, taken
pieces out of context. I've come to realize that he enjoys seeing
how many responses he can get to a given post, then watch his
followers step in to defend him when someone makes a comment other
than "Wow Frank, that's a great shot" and "you're the best thing
this forum has seen since the preview button."
flashfenton said:
you will see his name on the first page, frequently.
Click to expand...
Pure comedy. One that every forum needs. Notice the use of the
smiley face, Frank. That's code for "wink" not another contentious
post.

:-)
flashfenton said:
Uncle Frank said:
I'm getting depressed reading the forum. Instead of being a
celebration of d70 photography and sharing of technique, the
dominant topic seems to be disappointment. Maybe expectations are
unrealistically high, or some people were unprepared for the
demands of a dslr... not just the d70, but any dslr.

The big rigs have less depth of field, so focusing techniques have
to be more precise, and manufacturers don't build as much image
processing into their dslrs as they do in their digicams, so the
photographer is expected to know how to "finish" the picture. I
believe these are the primary causes of the complaints about
"back-focus" and "dark images", which overwhelm the rest of the
traffic on the forum. I can only imagine how much it's costing
Nikon to service perfectly good cameras that are being returned
because of operator error :- .

Before someone jumps into the dslr arena, it would serve them well
to understand the relationships between apertures, shutter speed,
focal length, and DOF... and be well grounded in Photoshop.
Otherwise they may be disappointed with a major investment in a
dslr system that can run from $2,000 to $5,000, depending on lenses
and accessories.

--
Warm regards, Uncle Frank,
FCAS Charter Member, Hummingbird Hunter, Egret Stalker
Dilettante Appassionato
Coolpix Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/coolpix
D-Seventy Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/d70
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Seeing Him is all I see...
D 7 0, 17-35 2.8 AFS, 24-85 AFS, 70-200 VR AFS, 60 2.8
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RicK
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Egret Stalker #4, WSSA #29

http://www.pbase.com/backdoctor
 
You love to take things out of context eh? Invited you to leave the forum? Too funny.

Anyways, your original post only adds to any negativity around here...which by the way you are blowing way out of proportion.

Some people have had a problem with their D70. Just live with this fact and offer some help instead of stabbing them in the back. How this is depressing to you is still beyond me. Life goes on Uncle Frank. Life goes on.
Uncle Frank said:
What's worse is, if you dare to voice the opinion that
BF/moire/blooming/low-gamma problems are overstated, one of the
measuring crowd will invite you to leave the forum. It just
happened to me. Check out Team Critter's posts. Unfortunately,
negativity has a tight grip on this forum at the moment.

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Dilettante Appassionato
Coolpix Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/coolpix
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Frankly, some photos by littlebabylon posted recently was without any post processing, except brightness and contrast. That should mean dslr comes with enough in camera processing to not warrant any Photoshop knowledge. His shots to me says if you know how to shoot and set up right, dslr is like a p&s. Really, after seeing his post, I am not so sure dslr should expect users to do post processing.
Uncle Frank said:
I'm getting depressed reading the forum. Instead of being a
celebration of d70 photography and sharing of technique, the
dominant topic seems to be disappointment. Maybe expectations are
unrealistically high, or some people were unprepared for the
demands of a dslr... not just the d70, but any dslr.

The big rigs have less depth of field, so focusing techniques have
to be more precise, and manufacturers don't build as much image
processing into their dslrs as they do in their digicams, so the
photographer is expected to know how to "finish" the picture. I
believe these are the primary causes of the complaints about
"back-focus" and "dark images", which overwhelm the rest of the
traffic on the forum. I can only imagine how much it's costing
Nikon to service perfectly good cameras that are being returned
because of operator error :- .

Before someone jumps into the dslr arena, it would serve them well
to understand the relationships between apertures, shutter speed,
focal length, and DOF... and be well grounded in Photoshop.
Otherwise they may be disappointed with a major investment in a
dslr system that can run from $2,000 to $5,000, depending on lenses
and accessories.

--
Warm regards, Uncle Frank,
FCAS Charter Member, Hummingbird Hunter, Egret Stalker
Dilettante Appassionato
Coolpix Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/coolpix
D-Seventy Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/d70
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ed cheong said:
Frankly, some photos by littlebabylon posted recently was without
any post processing, except brightness and contrast. That should
mean dslr comes with enough in camera processing to not warrant any
Photoshop knowledge. His shots to me says if you know how to shoot
and set up right, dslr is like a p&s. Really, after seeing his
post, I am not so sure dslr should expect users to do post
processing.
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I'm familiar with littlebabylon's work. He's an excellent photographer, and a professional... graphic design I believe. But brightness, contrast, and cropping (which I think he uses) require Photoshop skill to be done effectively...

Anyone who looks down at editing should remember that the revered Ansel Adams attributed 50% of his success to his darkroom work. My favorite Adams quote is,

"Dodging and burning are steps to take care of mistakes God made in establishing tonal relationships."
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Team Critter said:
Anyways, your original post only adds to any negativity around
here...which by the way you are blowing way out of proportion.
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My friend, I'm beginning to realize that your reading comprehension skills are as deficient as your civility. My original post expressed my dismay in the tenor of the forum... where newcomers were encouraged to blame their cameras for poor results instead of learning how to use them. I've read threads where people slapped the back-focus label on issues that were clearly related to the mis-use of auto-focus, and people like you were urging them to send back their cameras instead of instead of explaining the differences between the various AF modes.

The conversation was pretty productive until you dropped the following comment...

"Finally, by the tone of your post, I sense that you are attempting a cheap shot at anybody who had this myth of a problem called backfocus. Was your intention to fuel a debate? Are you implying that this problem did/does not exist? I'll await your reply."

That was a clear invitation for a fight, not an attempt to share thoughts. But now that you've done your bashing, I'll offer you mine.

The d70 is a complex machine, and takes some skill to operate it effectively. It's also a brand new, low cost, high volume product, and it's par for the course that a small percentage of the early production runs will have defects. Btw, that's why I waited for a few months and let them fine tune the line before I purchased one.

I have empathy for the small minority of buyers who've actually received flawed cameras, but that's what warranties are for... and it's also why I've kept my cp5700 as a backup.

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Coolpix Gallery at http://www.pbase.com/unclefrank/coolpix
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Uncle Frank said:
My friend, I'm beginning to realize that your reading comprehension
skills are as deficient as your civility. My original post
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C'mon sir, there is no need to insult fellow forum members around here. I don't believe your comments will improve your dismay in the tenor of this forum. Simply uncalled for.
Uncle Frank said:
expressed my dismay in the tenor of the forum... where newcomers
were encouraged to blame their cameras for poor results instead of
learning how to use them. I've read threads where people slapped
the back-focus label on issues that were clearly related to the
mis-use of auto-focus, and people like you were urging them to send
back their cameras instead of instead of explaining the differences
between the various AF modes.
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People like me? Maybe like a Henry Goh who had witnessed the impact of a manufacturing defect first hand? Actually, very rarely (if not only once or twice) have I ever urged forumers to send in their camera unless I could make an best educated guess that they knew what they were talking about. It's people like yourself that assume that NOBODY knows what they are talking about so their backfocus issue HAS TO BE user error.
Uncle Frank said:
The conversation was pretty productive until you dropped the
following comment...

"Finally, by the tone of your post, I sense that you are attempting
a cheap shot at anybody who had this myth of a problem called
backfocus. Was your intention to fuel a debate? Are you implying
that this problem did/does not exist? I'll await your reply."

That was a clear invitation for a fight, not an attempt to share
thoughts. But now that you've done your bashing, I'll offer you
mine.
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So you mean to tell me that you didn't expect or want to get a rise out of the very people you were insulting? Seriously? You admitted you were in a grumpy mood. You even titled your response to my first reply "what took you so long?". Now who was looking for a fight?
Uncle Frank said:
I have empathy for the small minority of buyers who've actually
received flawed cameras, but that's what warranties are for... and
it's also why I've kept my cp5700 as a backup.
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This is also what this forum is for. If somebody has a problem (real or perceived), this forum is an excellent mechanism for help.

Now when you say something like this (quoted from one of your posts)...

"Maybe if newbies start seeing examples of superior images they'll quit obsessing over back-focus charts and figure out that the camera isn't the weak link in the chain."

How do you actually know that the camera isn't the weakest link? How would you expect some people to react? That's the point of my response to your thread. You don't know. I didn't change my shooting style to achieve the shots I'm getting now. My camera WAS the weakest link contrary to what people like yourself told me.
 
Next time I take an OOF shot, I'll email you to get the address for the nearest Nikon Hospital.
Team Critter said:
How do you actually know that the camera isn't the weakest link?
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I'm guessing the photographer is the weakest link in the partnership 99.9% of the time... and that certainly includes me. But there's a few people who are so darned good that they transcend the technology. Congratulations on being one of them.

Now take your shot, and let's agree not to burden the forum with any further exchanges. And if you don't agree, you'll be having a one-way conversation.

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Dilettante Appassionato
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Uncle Frank said:
Next time I take an OOF shot, I'll email you to get the address for
the nearest Nikon Hospital.
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No, no, no. You are exaggerating again. Next time you take 100 OOF shots in a row and suspect a technical problem with your camera as you have ruled out user error even though some experts claim you have not (try not to let this frustrate you too much), I will be more than willing to help point you in the right direction.
Uncle Frank said:
Uncle Frank said:
How do you actually know that the camera isn't the weakest link?
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I'm guessing the photographer is the weakest link in the
partnership 99.9% of the time... and that certainly includes me.
But there's a few people who are so darned good that they transcend
the technology. Congratulations on being one of them.
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This is where we differ. I will give the photographer the benefit of the doubt in THIS PARTICULAR CASE. This case involves Nikon admitting a technical problem with a selection of cameras. Chances are, I was not the .1% you wouldn't have assumed as the weakest link correct?
Uncle Frank said:
Now take your shot, and let's agree not to burden the forum with
any further exchanges. And if you don't agree, you'll be having a
one-way conversation.
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Actually I do agree we should end this here. It's just too bad the forum had to be burdened with yet another negative "I'm sick of people who claim backfocus" threads.

Now back to enjoying our D70's please...
 
Congratulations on getting your camera fixed. I'm currently in "round 2" and looking forward to a fix.

These people that infer there aren't troubled cameras around, only inferior owners are a pretty haughty minority, aren't they?

I've had a tough time of it, and hope to get a fix soon. The longer story is at http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=9454804 .

Anyway, I'm pleased to see that a lot of folks are getting satisfaction from factory service.
spiked said:
Team Critter said:
Now seriously, wouldn't it be funny to find out that your brand
spanking new D70 had a technical glitch such as a misalignment of
the CCD like mine did? Now wouldn't it be even funnier to find out
that it took you over 2 months to get the problem resolved with
Nikon? Put yourself in other people shoes and you'll understand
where I'm coming from.
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That ability seems to be sorely lacking among many members of this
forum.
spiked said:
spiked said:
I expected exactly that kind of response when I started this
thread, but have been surprised to find that a lot of folks think
the back-focus issue is being way overplayed.
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Of course 'some' forum members may have overplayed this problem.
That's the nature of a free online forum. I won't entirely disagree
with you on this. However, at least have some respect for the
others who have had genuine problems with their camera.
spiked said:
And FYI, I'm not really depressed... I was just dramatizing my
disappointment with the tenor of the forum. It'd be a great place
to share pictures and workarounds if it weren't so danged negative.
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Isn't the nature of a free online forum fun?!? So you lied about
your frustrations just to stir the pot? It STILL IS an excellent
place to share pictures and workarounds. Most of the threads are
NOT about D70 problems...you are blowing it out of proportion.
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Take a look at the first page of posts at any point in time - there
are usually more inflamatory "I"m sick and tired of people bashing
and complaining about the D70" posts on it than there are posts by
people actually complaining about the camera...

It's curious how so many people are so insecure about themselves
and their possessions that they feel threatened and depressed by a
negative post or two about either on the internet.

spike

(Just back from a nice 4th of July vacation during which I took
hundreds of sharply focused D70 pics, unlike my previous vacation.
No, my technique has not changed since I bought the camera, but the
camera has since it was sent in for calibration ;) )
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