DaSonyGuy
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Yes, and it looks like it too, terribly soft and VERY noisy!!!
I suggest you check your eyesight!
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Why you should not get a 10D or Dreb (300d)......
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Erik Magnuson
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From the EXIF, this was shot at F5.6@300mm. Almost certainly it was shot using one of the Canon 75-300 (or 100-300) inexpensive consumer lenses wide-open at maximum telephoto. It also appears to have been processed by Adobe CS with unknown settings.
Well, show us your SD10 photos taken under similar circumstances. Alas, you don't list one of the Sigma 70-300's in your profile, but do the best you can.
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DaSonyGuy
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Ok Eric, I will.
unfortunatly I could not find a conveniently slow, friendly Squirrel to pose for me so a cuddly toy had to do.
Indeed I do not have a 70-300DL, I have the equaly terrible 75-300DL!
Its not in my profile because I just did not want to admit having one!
Same conditions, ie: 300mm, 1/500, f5.6, ISO400:
http://images.fotopic.net/?id=5580603&outx=600&noresize=1&nostamp=1
But as that had no noise, and no dought has set Jarvic7's pooper going, I thought, hey what the heck, lets crank it up to ISO800!!!....:
http://images.fotopic.net/?id=5580606&outx=600&noresize=1&nostamp=1
If you feel the noise is worse than in that Canon 10D Squirrel shot at ISO400, then I will gladly bend over and accept Jarvics revoltingly smelly sock, up where the sun dont shine!
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Erik Magnuson
Guest
Ouch. I can see why.
Your photo certainly seems to exhibit the SD10 desaturation at high ISO noted by Phil in his review (e.g., noise reduction at work.)
The 10D squirrel was at ISO 800. Here's a hint. Resize the squirrel down to a Sigma-size 2268x1512 and take another look.
The other part of the difference is in the "Adobe CS". From the image file size and the headers, I suspect that the photographer cranked up the settings a bit in ACR -- perhaps to make up for the lens softness. ACR's defaults certainly do less smoothing than Canon FVU/EVU. I've not personally gotten results I like from ACR. I much prefer C1 or EVU depending on whether I want detail or Canon's patented "Nutella" smoothness. (If you want to pick over my photos, they're at http://www.pbase.com/maderik ).
Leave the sock in the drawer; that should be shady enough to satisfy all of us.
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Erik
DaSonyGuy
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I'm afraid thats incorrecte Eric, that 10D Squirrel shot was taken at ISO400.
Here is the exact text written under the photo:
Canon EOS 10D
1/500s f/5.6 at 300.0mm iso400 full exif
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Erik Magnuson
Guest
We must be looking at different photos. I'm referring to the one in the first "Re: Dom-in-denial" post (because that's the sub-thread we are in.)
Quote:
For the photo mentioned above it says:
1/3000s f/5.6 at 300.0mm iso800 (and the full exif agrees.)
But anyway all of the same points apply to both images (e.g. resizing, Adobe CS processing, etc.)
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Erik
DaSonyGuy
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Yes, we are talking about completely different photos as you would know if you had read the first posts in this thread:
. http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1027&message=9365677
Here is the 10D Squirrel shot I was referring to:
http://www.pbase.com/image/30720517
As you can see, nothing but noise and Nutella!
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Erik Magnuson
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I read the other posts, but you (and I) were replying to the "Dom-in-denial" post.
I see less than optimal lens and processing choices. But if makes you feel better about your own camera, go ahead and assume this is the best a DR can do.
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Erik
jarvic7
Leading Member
And, if the truth be told: the desaturated foveon shots are not because ALL SD users seek -- ACCURATE -- colors -- it's because if you push the color -- the noise shows it's ugly head.
Why do you think that there are so many that advise to desaturate color?
And wow dominic: that 3D sharpness was mind-blower on the (hyper selected) shots you submitted.
(my unaltered shots were from a few days ago -- and shot within 1-2 hours of each other -- just walking the dog -- nothing special)
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7/domndenial
D.n.D: how sad...
Peace: Jarvic7
'Blessed are those drowsy ones: for they shall soon nod to sleep'.
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7
Why do you think that there are so many that advise to desaturate color?
And wow dominic: that 3D sharpness was mind-blower on the (hyper selected) shots you submitted.
(my unaltered shots were from a few days ago -- and shot within 1-2 hours of each other -- just walking the dog -- nothing special)
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7/domndenial
D.n.D: how sad...
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Peace: Jarvic7
'Blessed are those drowsy ones: for they shall soon nod to sleep'.
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7
I once knew I hi fi enthusiast who seldom listened to his system but spent lots of time looking at the output of his amplifier on an oscilloscope..... I see a similar attitude in some of the postings to this thread.
Laurence Matson
Forum Pro
John,
You may be all over the place on the run up, but when you come to the point, you come to the point.
"Don's in denial!"
You're smarter than you thought.
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Laurence
There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
You may be all over the place on the run up, but when you come to the point, you come to the point.
"Don's in denial!"
You're smarter than you thought.
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Laurence
There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
unselfishly
Active member
Hi guys,
I think it's time we put this to an end.. I personally think this is very silly. I love my SD10 camera. I also think that the SD10 performs better than others in some aspects, but I also recognize the fact that it has some weaknesses when compared to other cameras as well. There is no need to be too defensive. Let us all have a happy forum.... and happy photographing! =)
Cheers,
Kee
http://www.pbase.com/unselfishly
I think it's time we put this to an end.. I personally think this is very silly. I love my SD10 camera. I also think that the SD10 performs better than others in some aspects, but I also recognize the fact that it has some weaknesses when compared to other cameras as well. There is no need to be too defensive. Let us all have a happy forum.... and happy photographing! =)
Cheers,
Kee
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http://www.pbase.com/unselfishly
Dominic Groß
Veteran Member
I did not leave anything out cause I did not repond to any of your recent stuff, I was not even close to a PC with internet access while this whole mess got started.
So should you.
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http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/dominic_gross_sd10
Dominic Groß
Veteran Member
Would you mind pointing me to "my" submissions? I can't see what you are talking about, since I did not submit anything except the snapshots in the camping thread recently.
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http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/dominic_gross_sd10
Thomas Mottl
Senior Member
Dominic Groß
Veteran Member
jarvic7
Leading Member
...just adding my opinion -- which is no better than Dom's right to do the same.
(and let's remember: I have a good number of images -- that I rather like -- that were shot with the SD9)
Peace: Jarvic7
'Blessed are those drowsy ones: for they shall soon nod to sleep'.
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7
(and let's remember: I have a good number of images -- that I rather like -- that were shot with the SD9)
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Peace: Jarvic7
'Blessed are those drowsy ones: for they shall soon nod to sleep'.
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7
jarvic7
Leading Member
Seriously -- Sorry Dominic.
DaSigmaGuy is was the focus of my recent posts here -- and elsewhere.
Fog or war, friendly fire -- jarvic7 is guilty as charged.
I gotta go and rename my pbase section.
(I owe you one)
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7/mymistake
Peace: Jarvic7
'Blessed are those drowsy ones: for they shall soon nod to sleep'.
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7
DaSigmaGuy is was the focus of my recent posts here -- and elsewhere.
Fog or war, friendly fire -- jarvic7 is guilty as charged.
I gotta go and rename my pbase section.
(I owe you one)
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7/mymistake
--Would you mind pointing me to "my" submissions? I can't see what
you are talking about, since I did not submit anything except the
snapshots in the camping thread recently.
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http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/dominic_gross_sd10
Peace: Jarvic7
'Blessed are those drowsy ones: for they shall soon nod to sleep'.
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7
DaSonyGuy
Forum Pro
Er, thats some mistake!....I mean since when does 'Da' look like 'Don?'....Or 'Sigma' look like 'Groß?'.
Did you have learning difficulties at school?,....Assuming you went to school of course!
I despair, I really do!
Laurence Matson
Forum Pro
I was not talking about "Dom". You wrote "Don". Dominic is not in denial by a long shot, but Don sure is.
Laurence
There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
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Laurence
There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
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