Cross Forum Learning - 8080, 50xx and D-Thingy

Stinson said:

aliendad said:

the c8080 is slow to write raw files plus (in my opiniun) the
quality in shq mode is very impresive,
in the end are we standing back and looking at a picture, or are we
looking closely at a brake-down of the "image" and going too deeply?
I used to be a HI-FI nut, until one day I realised I was listening
more for the noise between tracks than listoning to the music!

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D-70, C-750, D-40, B-300, Nikon 4T macro, PS CS
http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
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aliendad said:

Stinson said:

aliendad said:

the c8080 is slow to write raw files plus (in my opiniun) the
quality in shq mode is very impresive,
in the end are we standing back and looking at a picture, or are we
looking closely at a brake-down of the "image" and going too deeply?
I used to be a HI-FI nut, until one day I realised I was listening
more for the noise between tracks than listoning to the music!

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Stinson
D-70, C-750, D-40, B-300, Nikon 4T macro, PS CS
http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
http://www.StinsonsTerra.StinsonsC750Gallery.PhotoShare.co.nz
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/view?id=64739
ViewExif at http://ak.no-ip.com/EXIF/

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Paul....

'if something bad happens, it's because something better is going to.'

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Stinson said:

aliendad said:

Stinson said:

aliendad said:

the c8080 is slow to write raw files plus (in my opiniun) the
quality in shq mode is very impresive,
in the end are we standing back and looking at a picture, or are we
looking closely at a brake-down of the "image" and going too deeply?
I used to be a HI-FI nut, until one day I realised I was listening
more for the noise between tracks than listoning to the music!

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Stinson
D-70, C-750, D-40, B-300, Nikon 4T macro, PS CS
http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
http://www.StinsonsTerra.StinsonsC750Gallery.PhotoShare.co.nz
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/view?id=64739
ViewExif at http://ak.no-ip.com/EXIF/

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Paul....

'if something bad happens, it's because something better is going to.'

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Stinson
D-70, C-750, D-40, B-300, Nikon 4T macro, PS CS
http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
http://www.StinsonsTerra.StinsonsC750Gallery.PhotoShare.co.nz
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/view?id=64739
ViewExif at http://ak.no-ip.com/EXIF/

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Stinson said:

dwit1 said:

I will always shoot in RAW 'now' unless I'm doing fun stuff
(holidays parties etc and I need the write speed)

I find the RAW shots are better all round.

Until I upgraded to PSCS a month or so back I wasn't too impressed
but now I have the Adobe Raw Plugin I'm very impressed, you have so
much control over the photograph. The resize option in the Raw
plugin is awesome you can turn some huge shots out & they appear to
be 'almost loss-less'......

IMO ~ the shots are sharper, Raw is great on the 5060, it would be
even better if the write time were faster then it could be used for
a wider variety of situations.

I think your test results speak for themselves, thanks for sharing.

Davew.
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'640K ought to be enough for anybody.' -- (Bill Gates on memory in
1981)
Dave White - dwit1 - C5060WZ

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Stinson
D-70, C-750, D-40, B-300, Nikon 4T macro, PS CS
http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
http://www.StinsonsTerra.StinsonsC750Gallery.PhotoShare.co.nz
http://www.photosig.com/go/users/view?id=64739
ViewExif at http://ak.no-ip.com/EXIF/

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Liquid_Thought said:

Hmmm.. interesting. I didn't know you could set a RAW convertor to
do a whole lot of images at once. That changes things a bit. Still,
it's too slow for my camera I believe. Is that right? Is the C8080
slow on RAW? It's dog slow on TIFF, I can tell you that!

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Liquid_Thought said:

Stinson said:

Liquid_Thought said:

Think about this. If it takes you 2 minutes per image to go from
RAW to Photoshop and we both have 120 images from our trip, then
you'll be on the computer for 4 hours just getting ready to
post-process!

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Not really. My Dell 2.8, 1GB seems to handle this stuff really
well and with the Image Processor it works great. Don't get me
wrong, shooting lots of NEF's has issues, but this seems to be a
way to set it up and let it fly. You come back from a meal and
there you have the majority of your work done. You can work on
those special ones.

Liquid_Thought said:

Multiply those 4 hours by all the times you'll have 120 images in
your D-thingy. Let's say that over the next few years you'll the
equivalent of 12,000 images. That means that you’ve wasted 400
hours of your life just converting RAW.

Okay, the year is 2008, and you purchase a Nikon D4H. This camera’s
so good that even on JPEG it makes your old D-thingy’s RAW look
silly. So that means that all 12,000 images you spent 400 hours
converting images for a minimal gain in quality wasn’t really worth
it by comparison to all the new images you are able to get.

This is why I picked the Fuji S2 over the Nikon D100. I wanted a
camera that had excellent out-of-camera JPEGs because I will not
spend a bazillion hours in front of my computer for a mere 5-10%
enhancement in quality.

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I have been able to get great out of camera jpgs by making some
adjustments like we all did with the OLY's. Biggest one is warming
up the WB.

If I do that, then I will also do things

Liquid_Thought said:

like blend images for wider dynamic range, and now I’m spending
even more time in front of the computer instead of taking pictures.
Not only that, but I might begin to hate photoshop and all the time
it consumes. Now I’m taking even less pictures because I know how
much work it is just to process them.

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Agreed except when I am making Monsters

Liquid_Thought said:

The happiest time for me is when I look at a shot on the computer &
say, “Perfect. Don’t need to change a thing.” That way I don’t have
to waste time on it. I hate wasting time, unless it’s doing
something I like to do. I can’t imagine a routine that encompasses
clicking the mouse and waiting for things to happen so I can click
the mouse again something I’ll like to do anytime soon.

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Not experiencing the wait unless I want it, but I see your point.
I am still learning the settings that will reduce my computer time.

Liquid_Thought said:

Stinson said:

I never had a camera that could shoot RAW until I just got a
D-Thingy. Now I am curious if the 8080 and 50XX users think that
shooting in RAW they get sharper pictures than the finest jpg.
Seems to happen on the D-Thingy.

http://www.StinsonsTerra.RawvJPG.PhotoShare.co.nz

Know that this was shot with the D-Thingy so what I am suggesting
is for 8080 owners and 50XX owners to do this test. I am seeing
sharper images when converted from RAW.

Look at the two pictures in the gallery. Download them if you like
and compare them.

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Stinson
D-70, C-750, D-40, B-300, Nikon 4T macro, PS CS
http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
http://www.StinsonsTerra.StinsonsC750Gallery.PhotoShare.co.nz
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ViewExif at http://ak.no-ip.com/EXIF/

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http://www.StinsonsTerra.NikonD70Gallery.photoshare.co.nz
http://www.StinsonsTerra.StinsonsC750Gallery.PhotoShare.co.nz
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brock said:

Congratulations on the new toy, I didn't know you'd bought one
until I saw one of your posts over on the other forum. I've not
been around as we've been busy with our new addition.

A couple of comments on your suggestion. I used to shoot RAW on the
C5050 after I upgraded to PSCS and really liked the additional
control over the image. I felt I was getting a better digital
negative to work from - if I chose to. The write speed on the 5050
with Raw was awful - even with a fast card (hey, it's not that
quick using JPEG either). I've read it's better with the 8080, but
not as quick as the D70. Which converter did you use for the shot?

With the D70 I shoot RAW all the time, as the speed is OK. The
downsides are the processing,the load time into PS browser - a
month's worth of NEF's aren't quick to load even with a fast pc)
and the storage. I've just bought an external drive to have as an
additional back-up after the main hard drive, cd and dvd.

From memory you're in the Bay Area as wel. I'm moving to Oz next
month and can't take the eclipse liquid I bought to clean the
sensor on the D70 with me. If you want it let's see if there is a
way I can get it to you so you can make use of it. If you're
interested, drop me a note at dive_master AT sbcglobal.net.

Paul

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Stinson said:

Try Dr. Brown's Image Processor at http://www.russellbrown.com for batch
processing.

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brock said:

Paul

Stinson said:

Try Dr. Brown's Image Processor at http://www.russellbrown.com for batch
processing.

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