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dr.noise said:
first of all the 10D pic has faulty operator...
and probably doesn't have that L lens every Canon needs.
and probably was shot on ISO1600 at 15 sec exposure.
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Ok, here's another shot from the same "faulty operator":
http://www.pbase.com/image/30720517

It may look fine at this size, lets face it most downsized pics do but look at the original and the noise terrible:
http://www.pbase.com/image/30720517/original

And that was not ISO1600, that was only at ISO400!!!

Now take a look at these two SD10 shots taken at ISO400:

http://sigmasd10.fotopic.net/p5393368.html

There are a lot of Jpeg artifacts as these were compressed to 60% using Irfanview for uploading to the web but even back in the shadows the noise is virtually non-existant.

Or this one:

http://images.fotopic.net/?id=5555311&outx=600&noresize=1&nostamp=1

No, Nutella and no noise!

DSG
 
Ulysses said:
DaSigmaGuy said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/30438817

This was taken with a 10D!.....Yes Jarvic7,...a Canon 10D!!!...and
look at the noise!!!

AAAAARGH.....Nutella alert!!!,....Nutella alert!!!!

And how a Sigma version looks:

http://sigmasd10.fotopic.net/p4950796.html

IMO, a VERY convincing arguement to buy a Sigma!
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Ulysses
http://www.ulyssesphotography.com
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Well.......at least it proves the combination of vivitar 35~200 zoom lens + SD10 produces very decent pictures, especially stopped to mid-aperture!
 
Hello Uly,

Nice to see you around here.

The SD10 is one of the few cameras that has varying noise levels without noise reduction software. When the SD9 first came out, there was tremendous amounts of noise, especially coming from Plano, TX. You probably recall that.

Lately, noise levels have been better with a few hiccups. The problem seems to be that all other cameras are perfect and the SDxx are the only ones with any noise.

I use earplugs now, which seems to help some. I also refuse to get my prescription renewed for my glasses, which gives me a sort of personal blur filter.

Beats me what else they could be talking about. Formula 1 engines are definitely noisier.

L
Ulysses said:
DaSigmaGuy said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/30438817

This was taken with a 10D!.....Yes Jarvic7,...a Canon 10D!!!...and
look at the noise!!!

AAAAARGH.....Nutella alert!!!,....Nutella alert!!!!

And how a Sigma version looks:

http://sigmasd10.fotopic.net/p4950796.html

IMO, a VERY convincing arguement to buy a Sigma!
Click to expand...
--

Ulysses
http://www.ulyssesphotography.com
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Laurence

There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.

http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
 
DaSigmaGuy said:
Thank you Tammons, you have just proved my point!
Click to expand...
A single uncontrolled image comparision can never prove anything. There are lots of good images by both cameras that are free to compare, so people can make up their own minds.

I'm zealous about the SD10, but "over-zealous" can do more good than harm. If the proponents of a camera come across as insanely biased, does that prove it's a better camera?

j
 
Shucks...lots of noise still coming from Switzerland!!!! That volcano seems to go off a lot...all over the internet!!

Of course all volcanos need some time to rest and eventually go dormant or inactive.

R
Laurence Matson said:
Nice to see you around here.

The SD10 is one of the few cameras that has varying noise levels
without noise reduction software. When the SD9 first came out,
there was tremendous amounts of noise, especially coming from
Plano, TX. You probably recall that.

Lately, noise levels have been better with a few hiccups. The
problem seems to be that all other cameras are perfect and the SDxx
are the only ones with any noise.

I use earplugs now, which seems to help some. I also refuse to get
my prescription renewed for my glasses, which gives me a sort of
personal blur filter.

Beats me what else they could be talking about. Formula 1 engines
are definitely noisier.

L
Ulysses said:
DaSigmaGuy said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/30438817

This was taken with a 10D!.....Yes Jarvic7,...a Canon 10D!!!...and
look at the noise!!!

AAAAARGH.....Nutella alert!!!,....Nutella alert!!!!

And how a Sigma version looks:

http://sigmasd10.fotopic.net/p4950796.html

IMO, a VERY convincing arguement to buy a Sigma!
Click to expand...
--

Ulysses
http://www.ulyssesphotography.com
Click to expand...
--
Laurence

There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.

http://www.pbase.com/lmatson/root
http://www.pbase.com/sigmasd9/root
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd10
http://www.pbase.com/cameras/sigma/sd9
http://www.beachbriss.com (eternal test site)
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You are making a judgement call on a single shot! the sigma shot has much better lighting, whoever took the 10D shot was having a bad day or did not know what he was doing!

I use the 10D with almost exclusive Sigma lenses, 1 tamron lens, and get superb results! here is my deer shot.
http://mishappa.image.pbase.com/u39/pnorth/upload/25504402.BZ_1_24_04453.jpg ;
and here is a little bird
http://mishappa.image.pbase.com/u35/pnorth/upload/23353302.img2.jpg ;
both shots were taken with the 50-500 "awsome lens" and a 10D.
DaSigmaGuy said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/30438817

This was taken with a 10D!.....Yes Jarvic7,...a Canon 10D!!!...and
look at the noise!!!

AAAAARGH.....Nutella alert!!!,....Nutella alert!!!!

And how a Sigma version looks:

http://sigmasd10.fotopic.net/p4950796.html

IMO, a VERY convincing arguement to buy a Sigma!
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth
 
DaSigmaGuy said:
dr.noise said:
first of all the 10D pic has faulty operator...
and probably doesn't have that L lens every Canon needs.
and probably was shot on ISO1600 at 15 sec exposure.
Click to expand...
Ok, here's another shot from the same "faulty operator":
http://www.pbase.com/image/30720517

It may look fine at this size, lets face it most downsized pics do
but look at the original and the noise terrible:
http://www.pbase.com/image/30720517/original

And that was not ISO1600, that was only at ISO400!!!

Now take a look at these two SD10 shots taken at ISO400:

http://sigmasd10.fotopic.net/p5393368.html

There are a lot of Jpeg artifacts as these were compressed to 60%
using Irfanview for uploading to the web but even back in the
shadows the noise is virtually non-existant.

Or this one:

http://images.fotopic.net/?id=5555311&outx=600&noresize=1&nostamp=1

No, Nutella and no noise!

DSG
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth
 
Hi Paul,

Nice shots, and sorry about this silly thread. This forum is full of friendly and knowledgeable guys who shared their experience with newbies like me so we can learn how to better use the SDX cameras. Unfortunately, as of lately we have been receiving too many DRebel/D70/D10 posts and we just got too carried away. I have seen excellent pictures taken with all available D-SLRs. We all know there is no perfect camera, and we all know that judging a camera based on one picture is not the way to go. I hope all this “mine is better than yours” ends. I really won’t like this forum to be known as a “place” where all non Sigma cameras are bashed. Sometimes we complain about the pot shots people take at the Sigma. We should avoid doing the same with other cameras.

My 2 cents.

Cheers
Paul North said:
DaSigmaGuy said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/30438817

This was taken with a 10D!.....Yes Jarvic7,...a Canon 10D!!!...and
look at the noise!!!

AAAAARGH.....Nutella alert!!!,....Nutella alert!!!!

And how a Sigma version looks:

http://sigmasd10.fotopic.net/p4950796.html

IMO, a VERY convincing arguement to buy a Sigma!
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth
Click to expand...
 
Emilio DelToro said:
Nice shots, and sorry about this silly thread. This forum is full
of friendly and knowledgeable guys who shared their experience with
newbies like me so we can learn how to better use the SDX cameras.
Unfortunately, as of lately we have been receiving too many
DRebel/D70/D10 posts and we just got too carried away. I have seen
excellent pictures taken with all available D-SLRs. We all know
there is no perfect camera, and we all know that judging a camera
based on one picture is not the way to go. I hope all this “mine is
better than yours” ends. I really won’t like this forum to be known
as a “place” where all non Sigma cameras are bashed. Sometimes we
complain about the pot shots people take at the Sigma. We should
avoid doing the same with other cameras.

My 2 cents.

Cheers
Paul North said:
DaSigmaGuy said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/30438817

This was taken with a 10D!.....Yes Jarvic7,...a Canon 10D!!!...and
look at the noise!!!

AAAAARGH.....Nutella alert!!!,....Nutella alert!!!!

And how a Sigma version looks:

http://sigmasd10.fotopic.net/p4950796.html

IMO, a VERY convincing arguement to buy a Sigma!
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth
 
You left this one out Dom -- from the same batch:

http://www.pbase.com/image/30576370

SHOT AT ISO 800!!!

(check your facts)
DaSigmaGuy said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/30438817

This was taken with a 10D!.....Yes Jarvic7,...a Canon 10D!!!...and
look at the noise!!!

AAAAARGH.....Nutella alert!!!,....Nutella alert!!!!

And how a Sigma version looks:

http://sigmasd10.fotopic.net/p4950796.html

IMO, a VERY convincing arguement to buy a Sigma!
Click to expand...
--
Peace: Jarvic7

'Blessed are those drowsy ones: for they shall soon nod to sleep'.
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7
 
Just Looking said:
DaSigmaGuy said:
Thank you Tammons, you have just proved my point!
Click to expand...
A single uncontrolled image comparision can never prove anything.
There are lots of good images by both cameras that are free to
compare, so people can make up their own minds.

I'm zealous about the SD10, but "over-zealous" can do more good
than harm. If the proponents of a camera come across as insanely
biased, does that prove it's a better camera?

j
Click to expand...
--
Peace: Jarvic7

'Blessed are those drowsy ones: for they shall soon nod to sleep'.
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7
 
Paul North said:
DaSigmaGuy said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/30438817

This was taken with a 10D!.....Yes Jarvic7,...a Canon 10D!!!...and
look at the noise!!!

AAAAARGH.....Nutella alert!!!,....Nutella alert!!!!

And how a Sigma version looks:

http://sigmasd10.fotopic.net/p4950796.html

IMO, a VERY convincing arguement to buy a Sigma!
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth
Click to expand...
--
Peace: Jarvic7

'Blessed are those drowsy ones: for they shall soon nod to sleep'.
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7
 
If not -- why not?
Emilio DelToro said:
Nice shots, and sorry about this silly thread. This forum is full
of friendly and knowledgeable guys who shared their experience with
newbies like me so we can learn how to better use the SDX cameras.
Unfortunately, as of lately we have been receiving too many
DRebel/D70/D10 posts and we just got too carried away. I have seen
excellent pictures taken with all available D-SLRs. We all know
there is no perfect camera, and we all know that judging a camera
based on one picture is not the way to go. I hope all this “mine is
better than yours” ends. I really won’t like this forum to be known
as a “place” where all non Sigma cameras are bashed. Sometimes we
complain about the pot shots people take at the Sigma. We should
avoid doing the same with other cameras.

My 2 cents.

Cheers
Paul North said:
DaSigmaGuy said:
http://www.pbase.com/image/30438817

This was taken with a 10D!.....Yes Jarvic7,...a Canon 10D!!!...and
look at the noise!!!

AAAAARGH.....Nutella alert!!!,....Nutella alert!!!!

And how a Sigma version looks:

http://sigmasd10.fotopic.net/p4950796.html

IMO, a VERY convincing arguement to buy a Sigma!
Click to expand...
--
check out my pics...
http://www.pbase.com/pnorth
Click to expand...
Click to expand...
--
Peace: Jarvic7

'Blessed are those drowsy ones: for they shall soon nod to sleep'.
http://www.pbase.com/jarvic7
 
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