Pro90 vs G1 - Image Quality?

fido said:

I had a G1 too and there is no noticeable difference in picture
quality. Sure - there may be "test differences" but you won't see
any differences in 99.9% of your shots.

The Pro90 takes great pictures, IMHO.

Maybe I should post some shots I took with my G1 and some with the
Pro90 and see if the photographers with the super eyes can pick
which picture came from which camera! That would be very
interesting!

RuvyA said:

Seems like you are experiencing the pro 90 to be much wors than
Phil does in his review. I am still undecided about it and would
like to find out more. I am concern about the WA possibilities of
the pro 90 when your starting point is at 38mm obviously the 0.8 WA
lens will get you around 29-30mm where the g1 with 0.8 WA lens will
get you to 27-28 mm. However, what do you do with the g1 to get
decent tele (over 170mm) -If you have any solution without
vignetting it will help me decide for the g1 otherwise maybe the
Nikon 990 may be my answer...

dentite said:

1. Yes Pro 90 has the 10X advantage. However, its fly by wire and
not mechanical. There is a very annoying 1/2 second delay when you
turn the ring till you see your results. If I for example turn the
ring too far and then try to correct my mistake by turning the ring
back a notch, the delays add up to 1.2 seconds.

2. There is NO continuous shooting mode on Pro 90 like it is on
G1. I always have to wait for the camera to process its image which
takes twice to three times longer than G1.

3. Pro 90 is not a great vacation/hiking/field camera. If I want
to go for a week vacation in a country or location where
electricity is not available..I can get three to four additional
batteries for G1, Use the viewfinder exclusively, and get away with
a week of shooting filling up three microdrives. Pro 90 on the
other hand consumes three-four times more juice than G1 because of
its viewfinder, Image stabilization and Noise Reduction which is
always turned on (Hello Canon... what in the world were you
thinking? Why do I need Noise reduction at 1/500 Tv?)

4. The Pro 90's viewfinder can not be used for instant feedback of
images like the LCD can. Therefore, I almost never use the
viewfinder because I like that instant feedback.

5. Pro 90's lens is not as sharp as G1 (see Phil's review). I saw
this when I tried to take Macro shots. Pro 90 in no way can compare
to G1 in sharpness and detail. Moreover, I agree with the
statement that there is significantly more Purple Fringing than G1.

6. Pro 90 does vignette. I have been able to see that in over
half of my images.

I therefore will sell this camera now while I can get my money back
and wait for a better design with the 5 MP CCD or CMOS design with
10X zoom with Mechanical zoom ring, better buffer, superior optics
with less chromatic abr. and a better TTL viewfinder.

Thanks for reading my opinions.

Robert Ganz said:

But I am optimistic about the 90. The shots shown here and
elsewhere point to a nice camera.

Cheers,

Robert

JImmy Drew said:

Chris said:

Hi John,

I owned the G1, because of the higher resolution, it's lower price
and it's smaller body.

But I think there's another difference:
It seems to me that the Pro90 has much more trouble with
chromatographic aberrations than the G1. I saw it in every testshot
of the Pro90 I saw.

Look at the bird-pic posted in this thread.

Greetings from Germany

Chris

Chris, I agree; I truly would love too have lense on the PRo90 but I will not give up the picture quality on the G1. Yes, I also feel the build quality is better on the G1. I love the solid feel. I know, has nothing to do with taking pictures, just a personal preference. If the '90 were to take as good a picture as the G1 I would trade in a second......waiting to hear more on the new Kodak to make my next move.

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Jimmy Drew

david hickey said:

John said:

I'm thinking of getting a Pro90 because I want a camera that will
take great pics and the Pro90 adds the 10X zoom as a plus. The BIG
question is, how does the picture quality compare to the G1? Can
it provide the same quality pictures as the G1, or better?

All thoughts... opinions appreciated and considered.

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Marcus Bertilsson said:

Thanks for your opinions.
For you, the G1 might be better.
But for most people, the Pro90 will be much better.

dentite said:

I am thoroughly convinced that Pro 90 is a far inferior design with only > the zoom advantage over G1.

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ONLY ? For most people the zoom advantage will make all the
difference.
I think most people need more than 3x.
If you don't, good for you.

smogen said:

Here is why I regret my purchase:

1. Yes Pro 90 has the 10X advantage. However, its fly by wire and
not mechanical. There is a very annoying 1/2 second delay when you
turn the ring till you see your results. If I for example turn the
ring too far and then try to correct my mistake by turning the ring
back a notch, the delays add up to 1.2 seconds.

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You do get used to this and it is not a problem.

smogen said:

2. There is NO continuous shooting mode on Pro 90 like it is on
G1. I always have to wait for the camera to process its image which
takes twice to three times longer than G1.

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Right

smogen said:

3. Pro 90 is not a great vacation/hiking/field camera. If I want
to go for a week vacation in a country or location where
electricity is not available..I can get three to four additional
batteries for G1, Use the viewfinder exclusively, and get away with
a week of shooting filling up three microdrives. Pro 90 on the
other hand consumes three-four times more juice than G1 because of
its viewfinder, Image stabilization and Noise Reduction which is
always turned on (Hello Canon... what in the world were you
thinking? Why do I need Noise reduction at 1/500 Tv?)

Click to expand...

Wrong! For the money it is a great vacation/hiking/field camera.
Most people won't use it like you.

smogen said:

4. The Pro 90's viewfinder can not be used for instant feedback of
images like the LCD can. Therefore, I almost never use the
viewfinder because I like that instant feedback.

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smogen said:

5. Pro 90's lens is not as sharp as G1 (see Phil's review). I saw
this when I tried to take Macro shots. Pro 90 in no way can compare
to G1 in sharpness and detail. Moreover, I agree with the
statement that there is significantly more Purple Fringing than G1.

6. Pro 90 does vignette. I have been able to see that in over
half of my images.

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There is some truth to statements 5 and 6, but for most people the
zoom will overcome those grudges easily.

smogen said:

I therefore will sell this camera now while I can get my money back
and wait for a better design with the 5 MP CCD or CMOS design with
10X zoom with Mechanical zoom ring, better buffer, superior optics
with less chromatic abr. and a better TTL viewfinder.

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I'll get that camera too when it comes out.
But for now I'm very pleased with the Pro90.

Have fun with your G1, but don't mislead people into thinking they
are better of with a G1, they are not.

You forgot to mention Phil's Pro90 conclusion:
"Highly Recommended"

Marcus

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fido said:

I won't post to this subject again. The Pro90, FOR MY USES, is far
superior to the G1 for about the same money as the G1 with lens
adapter and telephoto converter. I have had both and know the
pluses and minuses. Yes the big plus is that big 10x lens! I love
the commenst - "except for the 10x lens the G1 is better". Except
for? C'mon - get real! The Pro90 is a G1 with a 10x lens! It uses
less of the same CCD and has the same electronics. Long range zoom
lenses have more compromises than short range zooms - but - having
too short of focal length is a MAJOR COMPROMISE!

My image capturing abilities have not diminished from trading in
the G1 for a Pro90!

A D30 would even be better but it's a LOT MORE money!

Marcus Bertilsson said:

Thanks for your opinions.
For you, the G1 might be better.
But for most people, the Pro90 will be much better.

dentite said:

I am thoroughly convinced that Pro 90 is a far inferior design with only > the zoom advantage over G1.

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ONLY ? For most people the zoom advantage will make all the
difference.
I think most people need more than 3x.
If you don't, good for you.

david hickey said:

Here is why I regret my purchase:

1. Yes Pro 90 has the 10X advantage. However, its fly by wire and
not mechanical. There is a very annoying 1/2 second delay when you
turn the ring till you see your results. If I for example turn the
ring too far and then try to correct my mistake by turning the ring
back a notch, the delays add up to 1.2 seconds.

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You do get used to this and it is not a problem.

david hickey said:

2. There is NO continuous shooting mode on Pro 90 like it is on
G1. I always have to wait for the camera to process its image which
takes twice to three times longer than G1.

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Right

david hickey said:

3. Pro 90 is not a great vacation/hiking/field camera. If I want
to go for a week vacation in a country or location where
electricity is not available..I can get three to four additional
batteries for G1, Use the viewfinder exclusively, and get away with
a week of shooting filling up three microdrives. Pro 90 on the
other hand consumes three-four times more juice than G1 because of
its viewfinder, Image stabilization and Noise Reduction which is
always turned on (Hello Canon... what in the world were you
thinking? Why do I need Noise reduction at 1/500 Tv?)

Click to expand...

Wrong! For the money it is a great vacation/hiking/field camera.
Most people won't use it like you.

david hickey said:

4. The Pro 90's viewfinder can not be used for instant feedback of
images like the LCD can. Therefore, I almost never use the
viewfinder because I like that instant feedback.

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david hickey said:

5. Pro 90's lens is not as sharp as G1 (see Phil's review). I saw
this when I tried to take Macro shots. Pro 90 in no way can compare
to G1 in sharpness and detail. Moreover, I agree with the
statement that there is significantly more Purple Fringing than G1.

6. Pro 90 does vignette. I have been able to see that in over
half of my images.

Click to expand...

There is some truth to statements 5 and 6, but for most people the
zoom will overcome those grudges easily.

david hickey said:

I therefore will sell this camera now while I can get my money back
and wait for a better design with the 5 MP CCD or CMOS design with
10X zoom with Mechanical zoom ring, better buffer, superior optics
with less chromatic abr. and a better TTL viewfinder.

Click to expand...

I'll get that camera too when it comes out.
But for now I'm very pleased with the Pro90.

Have fun with your G1, but don't mislead people into thinking they
are better of with a G1, they are not.

You forgot to mention Phil's Pro90 conclusion:
"Highly Recommended"

Marcus

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LPG said:

Cheers,

fido said:

I won't post to this subject again. The Pro90, FOR MY USES, is far
superior to the G1 for about the same money as the G1 with lens
adapter and telephoto converter. I have had both and know the
pluses and minuses. Yes the big plus is that big 10x lens! I love
the commenst - "except for the 10x lens the G1 is better". Except
for? C'mon - get real! The Pro90 is a G1 with a 10x lens! It uses
less of the same CCD and has the same electronics. Long range zoom
lenses have more compromises than short range zooms - but - having
too short of focal length is a MAJOR COMPROMISE!

My image capturing abilities have not diminished from trading in
the G1 for a Pro90!

A D30 would even be better but it's a LOT MORE money!

Marcus Bertilsson said:

Thanks for your opinions.
For you, the G1 might be better.
But for most people, the Pro90 will be much better.

dentite said:

I am thoroughly convinced that Pro 90 is a far inferior design with only > the zoom advantage over G1.

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ONLY ? For most people the zoom advantage will make all the
difference.
I think most people need more than 3x.
If you don't, good for you.

LPG said:

Here is why I regret my purchase:

1. Yes Pro 90 has the 10X advantage. However, its fly by wire and
not mechanical. There is a very annoying 1/2 second delay when you
turn the ring till you see your results. If I for example turn the
ring too far and then try to correct my mistake by turning the ring
back a notch, the delays add up to 1.2 seconds.

Click to expand...

You do get used to this and it is not a problem.

LPG said:

2. There is NO continuous shooting mode on Pro 90 like it is on
G1. I always have to wait for the camera to process its image which
takes twice to three times longer than G1.

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Right

LPG said:

3. Pro 90 is not a great vacation/hiking/field camera. If I want
to go for a week vacation in a country or location where
electricity is not available..I can get three to four additional
batteries for G1, Use the viewfinder exclusively, and get away with
a week of shooting filling up three microdrives. Pro 90 on the
other hand consumes three-four times more juice than G1 because of
its viewfinder, Image stabilization and Noise Reduction which is
always turned on (Hello Canon... what in the world were you
thinking? Why do I need Noise reduction at 1/500 Tv?)

Click to expand...

Wrong! For the money it is a great vacation/hiking/field camera.
Most people won't use it like you.

LPG said:

4. The Pro 90's viewfinder can not be used for instant feedback of
images like the LCD can. Therefore, I almost never use the
viewfinder because I like that instant feedback.

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LPG said:

5. Pro 90's lens is not as sharp as G1 (see Phil's review). I saw
this when I tried to take Macro shots. Pro 90 in no way can compare
to G1 in sharpness and detail. Moreover, I agree with the
statement that there is significantly more Purple Fringing than G1.

6. Pro 90 does vignette. I have been able to see that in over
half of my images.

Click to expand...

There is some truth to statements 5 and 6, but for most people the
zoom will overcome those grudges easily.

LPG said:

I therefore will sell this camera now while I can get my money back
and wait for a better design with the 5 MP CCD or CMOS design with
10X zoom with Mechanical zoom ring, better buffer, superior optics
with less chromatic abr. and a better TTL viewfinder.

Click to expand...

I'll get that camera too when it comes out.
But for now I'm very pleased with the Pro90.

Have fun with your G1, but don't mislead people into thinking they
are better of with a G1, they are not.

You forgot to mention Phil's Pro90 conclusion:
"Highly Recommended"

Marcus

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fido said:

Why on earth anyone would settle for a 102mm compromise of a lens
is beyond me! LOL And what - no image stabilizer on the G1? Wow! I
couldn't live with that compromise! What - no grip on the G1 - Who
could live with that compromise?

Get over it already. It's only a tool. Buy and use which ever one
suits your needs and style and be happy with it and let us be happy
with the Pro90.

Am I missing something here? Do my pictures with the Pro90 stink?

LPG said:

Cheers,

fido said:

I won't post to this subject again. The Pro90, FOR MY USES, is far
superior to the G1 for about the same money as the G1 with lens
adapter and telephoto converter. I have had both and know the
pluses and minuses. Yes the big plus is that big 10x lens! I love
the commenst - "except for the 10x lens the G1 is better". Except
for? C'mon - get real! The Pro90 is a G1 with a 10x lens! It uses
less of the same CCD and has the same electronics. Long range zoom
lenses have more compromises than short range zooms - but - having
too short of focal length is a MAJOR COMPROMISE!

My image capturing abilities have not diminished from trading in
the G1 for a Pro90!

A D30 would even be better but it's a LOT MORE money!

Marcus Bertilsson said:

Thanks for your opinions.
For you, the G1 might be better.
But for most people, the Pro90 will be much better.

dentite said:

I am thoroughly convinced that Pro 90 is a far inferior design with only > the zoom advantage over G1.

Click to expand...

ONLY ? For most people the zoom advantage will make all the
difference.
I think most people need more than 3x.
If you don't, good for you.

david hickey said:

Here is why I regret my purchase:

1. Yes Pro 90 has the 10X advantage. However, its fly by wire and
not mechanical. There is a very annoying 1/2 second delay when you
turn the ring till you see your results. If I for example turn the
ring too far and then try to correct my mistake by turning the ring
back a notch, the delays add up to 1.2 seconds.

Click to expand...

You do get used to this and it is not a problem.

david hickey said:

2. There is NO continuous shooting mode on Pro 90 like it is on
G1. I always have to wait for the camera to process its image which
takes twice to three times longer than G1.

Click to expand...

Right

david hickey said:

3. Pro 90 is not a great vacation/hiking/field camera. If I want
to go for a week vacation in a country or location where
electricity is not available..I can get three to four additional
batteries for G1, Use the viewfinder exclusively, and get away with
a week of shooting filling up three microdrives. Pro 90 on the
other hand consumes three-four times more juice than G1 because of
its viewfinder, Image stabilization and Noise Reduction which is
always turned on (Hello Canon... what in the world were you
thinking? Why do I need Noise reduction at 1/500 Tv?)

Click to expand...

Wrong! For the money it is a great vacation/hiking/field camera.
Most people won't use it like you.

david hickey said:

4. The Pro 90's viewfinder can not be used for instant feedback of
images like the LCD can. Therefore, I almost never use the
viewfinder because I like that instant feedback.

Click to expand...

david hickey said:

5. Pro 90's lens is not as sharp as G1 (see Phil's review). I saw
this when I tried to take Macro shots. Pro 90 in no way can compare
to G1 in sharpness and detail. Moreover, I agree with the
statement that there is significantly more Purple Fringing than G1.

6. Pro 90 does vignette. I have been able to see that in over
half of my images.

Click to expand...

There is some truth to statements 5 and 6, but for most people the
zoom will overcome those grudges easily.

david hickey said:

I therefore will sell this camera now while I can get my money back
and wait for a better design with the 5 MP CCD or CMOS design with
10X zoom with Mechanical zoom ring, better buffer, superior optics
with less chromatic abr. and a better TTL viewfinder.

Click to expand...

I'll get that camera too when it comes out.
But for now I'm very pleased with the Pro90.

Have fun with your G1, but don't mislead people into thinking they
are better of with a G1, they are not.

You forgot to mention Phil's Pro90 conclusion:
"Highly Recommended"

Marcus

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dentite said:

Please note I did not state that Pro90 does not take good sharp
pictures. I was merely comparing it side by side to G1 quality as
I see it in my printouts and blowups. Its all in the perspective..
what I see you may not. Please consider all my comments as
strictly my opinions and not as any truth cut in stone.

Just to give you a secondary opinion, I would like to refer you to
Phil's review of Pro 90 and even he noticed the quality differences
in pictures compared between the two cameras. He had very similar
things to mention and confirmed my decision to return Pro90 and
keep G1. I am glad you are taking great pictures with Pro90 and I
wish you many many wonderful shots with it.

Quotes:

"Despite its lower resolution the Pro90 performs well against the
990, bearing in mind that a compact long zoom lens like that found
in the Pro90 normally has an adverse effect on overall image
quality these comparisons show that Canon have managed to strike a
good balance between long zoom and image quality."

"Lens quality seems to be pretty good (though I'd have to be honest
and say not as sharp as the G1), at full tele we see chromatic
aberrations creeping in to the contrast between light and dark
objects, again, this is something we've seen before in these big
zoom digital camera lenses and is no more than I'd expected to see."

regards

Dentite.

gc said:

http://www.achatzi.kreativ-foto.com/90IS500D.html

dentite said:

1. Yes Pro 90 has the 10X advantage. However, its fly by wire and
not mechanical. There is a very annoying 1/2 second delay when you
turn the ring till you see your results. If I for example turn the
ring too far and then try to correct my mistake by turning the ring
back a notch, the delays add up to 1.2 seconds.

2. There is NO continuous shooting mode on Pro 90 like it is on
G1. I always have to wait for the camera to process its image which
takes twice to three times longer than G1.

3. Pro 90 is not a great vacation/hiking/field camera. If I want
to go for a week vacation in a country or location where
electricity is not available..I can get three to four additional
batteries for G1, Use the viewfinder exclusively, and get away with
a week of shooting filling up three microdrives. Pro 90 on the
other hand consumes three-four times more juice than G1 because of
its viewfinder, Image stabilization and Noise Reduction which is
always turned on (Hello Canon... what in the world were you
thinking? Why do I need Noise reduction at 1/500 Tv?)

4. The Pro 90's viewfinder can not be used for instant feedback of
images like the LCD can. Therefore, I almost never use the
viewfinder because I like that instant feedback.

5. Pro 90's lens is not as sharp as G1 (see Phil's review). I saw
this when I tried to take Macro shots. Pro 90 in no way can compare
to G1 in sharpness and detail. Moreover, I agree with the
statement that there is significantly more Purple Fringing than G1.

6. Pro 90 does vignette. I have been able to see that in over
half of my images.

I therefore will sell this camera now while I can get my money back
and wait for a better design with the 5 MP CCD or CMOS design with
10X zoom with Mechanical zoom ring, better buffer, superior optics
with less chromatic abr. and a better TTL viewfinder.

Thanks for reading my opinions.

Robert Ganz said:

But I am optimistic about the 90. The shots shown here and
elsewhere point to a nice camera.

Cheers,

Robert

JImmy Drew said:

Chris said:

Hi John,

I owned the G1, because of the higher resolution, it's lower price
and it's smaller body.

But I think there's another difference:
It seems to me that the Pro90 has much more trouble with
chromatographic aberrations than the G1. I saw it in every testshot
of the Pro90 I saw.

Look at the bird-pic posted in this thread.

Greetings from Germany

Chris

Chris, I agree; I truly would love too have lense on the PRo90 but I will not give up the picture quality on the G1. Yes, I also feel the build quality is better on the G1. I love the solid feel. I know, has nothing to do with taking pictures, just a personal preference. If the '90 were to take as good a picture as the G1 I would trade in a second......waiting to hear more on the new Kodak to make my next move.

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Jimmy Drew

Dentite said:

John said:

I'm thinking of getting a Pro90 because I want a camera that will
take great pics and the Pro90 adds the 10X zoom as a plus. The BIG
question is, how does the picture quality compare to the G1? Can
it provide the same quality pictures as the G1, or better?

All thoughts... opinions appreciated and considered.

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Chambers said:

dentite said:

Please note I did not state that Pro90 does not take good sharp
pictures. I was merely comparing it side by side to G1 quality as
I see it in my printouts and blowups. Its all in the perspective..
what I see you may not. Please consider all my comments as
strictly my opinions and not as any truth cut in stone.

Just to give you a secondary opinion, I would like to refer you to
Phil's review of Pro 90 and even he noticed the quality differences
in pictures compared between the two cameras. He had very similar
things to mention and confirmed my decision to return Pro90 and
keep G1. I am glad you are taking great pictures with Pro90 and I
wish you many many wonderful shots with it.

Quotes:

"Despite its lower resolution the Pro90 performs well against the
990, bearing in mind that a compact long zoom lens like that found
in the Pro90 normally has an adverse effect on overall image
quality these comparisons show that Canon have managed to strike a
good balance between long zoom and image quality."

"Lens quality seems to be pretty good (though I'd have to be honest
and say not as sharp as the G1), at full tele we see chromatic
aberrations creeping in to the contrast between light and dark
objects, again, this is something we've seen before in these big
zoom digital camera lenses and is no more than I'd expected to see."

regards

Dentite.

gc said:

http://www.achatzi.kreativ-foto.com/90IS500D.html

dentite said:

1. Yes Pro 90 has the 10X advantage. However, its fly by wire and
not mechanical. There is a very annoying 1/2 second delay when you
turn the ring till you see your results. If I for example turn the
ring too far and then try to correct my mistake by turning the ring
back a notch, the delays add up to 1.2 seconds.

2. There is NO continuous shooting mode on Pro 90 like it is on
G1. I always have to wait for the camera to process its image which
takes twice to three times longer than G1.

3. Pro 90 is not a great vacation/hiking/field camera. If I want
to go for a week vacation in a country or location where
electricity is not available..I can get three to four additional
batteries for G1, Use the viewfinder exclusively, and get away with
a week of shooting filling up three microdrives. Pro 90 on the
other hand consumes three-four times more juice than G1 because of
its viewfinder, Image stabilization and Noise Reduction which is
always turned on (Hello Canon... what in the world were you
thinking? Why do I need Noise reduction at 1/500 Tv?)

4. The Pro 90's viewfinder can not be used for instant feedback of
images like the LCD can. Therefore, I almost never use the
viewfinder because I like that instant feedback.

5. Pro 90's lens is not as sharp as G1 (see Phil's review). I saw
this when I tried to take Macro shots. Pro 90 in no way can compare
to G1 in sharpness and detail. Moreover, I agree with the
statement that there is significantly more Purple Fringing than G1.

6. Pro 90 does vignette. I have been able to see that in over
half of my images.

I therefore will sell this camera now while I can get my money back
and wait for a better design with the 5 MP CCD or CMOS design with
10X zoom with Mechanical zoom ring, better buffer, superior optics
with less chromatic abr. and a better TTL viewfinder.

Thanks for reading my opinions.

Robert Ganz said:

But I am optimistic about the 90. The shots shown here and
elsewhere point to a nice camera.

Cheers,

Robert

JImmy Drew said:

Chris said:

Hi John,

I owned the G1, because of the higher resolution, it's lower price
and it's smaller body.

But I think there's another difference:
It seems to me that the Pro90 has much more trouble with
chromatographic aberrations than the G1. I saw it in every testshot
of the Pro90 I saw.

Look at the bird-pic posted in this thread.

Greetings from Germany

Chris

Chris, I agree; I truly would love too have lense on the PRo90 but I will not give up the picture quality on the G1. Yes, I also feel the build quality is better on the G1. I love the solid feel. I know, has nothing to do with taking pictures, just a personal preference. If the '90 were to take as good a picture as the G1 I would trade in a second......waiting to hear more on the new Kodak to make my next move.

Click to expand...

Jimmy Drew

Chambers #40458 said:

John said:

I'm thinking of getting a Pro90 because I want a camera that will
take great pics and the Pro90 adds the 10X zoom as a plus. The BIG
question is, how does the picture quality compare to the G1? Can
it provide the same quality pictures as the G1, or better?

All thoughts... opinions appreciated and considered.

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LPG said:

I think, as B.S. has mentionned in an earlier post, we have
started on the wrong foot.

You seem to ignore the weaknesses of the pro90 in your postings.
You do not mention long delays, CA, vignetting, and most important
that the pro90 has less than 80 % of the resolution of the G1, (2.6
-vs- 3.3).

Nobody is questionning the quality of the pics you posted. I think
the G1 owners are wondering why move 'down' in maybe the most
important aspect of photography, resolution, only to move up in a
"limited' , (to most photographers), telephoto capability ? Based
on this the G1 could probably be a better choice for most
photographers.

Yet you insist on issuing statements, (while posting your photos),
that in your views the pro90 is far superior to the G1 while
refusing to acknowledge the less presentable properties of the
pro90. In other words, your subjectivity is clouding the issue
and could lead unaware forum users to the wrong buying decision.

Maybe if you stop those comments on the G1-vs-the pro90 peace will
come back ...

LPG

fido said:

Why on earth anyone would settle for a 102mm compromise of a lens
is beyond me! LOL And what - no image stabilizer on the G1? Wow! I
couldn't live with that compromise! What - no grip on the G1 - Who
could live with that compromise?

Get over it already. It's only a tool. Buy and use which ever one
suits your needs and style and be happy with it and let us be happy
with the Pro90.

Am I missing something here? Do my pictures with the Pro90 stink?

LPG said:

Cheers,

fido said:

I won't post to this subject again. The Pro90, FOR MY USES, is far
superior to the G1 for about the same money as the G1 with lens
adapter and telephoto converter. I have had both and know the
pluses and minuses. Yes the big plus is that big 10x lens! I love
the commenst - "except for the 10x lens the G1 is better". Except
for? C'mon - get real! The Pro90 is a G1 with a 10x lens! It uses
less of the same CCD and has the same electronics. Long range zoom
lenses have more compromises than short range zooms - but - having
too short of focal length is a MAJOR COMPROMISE!

My image capturing abilities have not diminished from trading in
the G1 for a Pro90!

A D30 would even be better but it's a LOT MORE money!

Marcus Bertilsson said:

Thanks for your opinions.
For you, the G1 might be better.
But for most people, the Pro90 will be much better.

dentite said:

I am thoroughly convinced that Pro 90 is a far inferior design with only > the zoom advantage over G1.

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ONLY ? For most people the zoom advantage will make all the
difference.
I think most people need more than 3x.
If you don't, good for you.

LPG said:

Here is why I regret my purchase:

1. Yes Pro 90 has the 10X advantage. However, its fly by wire and
not mechanical. There is a very annoying 1/2 second delay when you
turn the ring till you see your results. If I for example turn the
ring too far and then try to correct my mistake by turning the ring
back a notch, the delays add up to 1.2 seconds.

Click to expand...

You do get used to this and it is not a problem.

LPG said:

2. There is NO continuous shooting mode on Pro 90 like it is on
G1. I always have to wait for the camera to process its image which
takes twice to three times longer than G1.

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Right

LPG said:

3. Pro 90 is not a great vacation/hiking/field camera. If I want
to go for a week vacation in a country or location where
electricity is not available..I can get three to four additional
batteries for G1, Use the viewfinder exclusively, and get away with
a week of shooting filling up three microdrives. Pro 90 on the
other hand consumes three-four times more juice than G1 because of
its viewfinder, Image stabilization and Noise Reduction which is
always turned on (Hello Canon... what in the world were you
thinking? Why do I need Noise reduction at 1/500 Tv?)

Click to expand...

Wrong! For the money it is a great vacation/hiking/field camera.
Most people won't use it like you.

LPG said:

4. The Pro 90's viewfinder can not be used for instant feedback of
images like the LCD can. Therefore, I almost never use the
viewfinder because I like that instant feedback.

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LPG said:

5. Pro 90's lens is not as sharp as G1 (see Phil's review). I saw
this when I tried to take Macro shots. Pro 90 in no way can compare
to G1 in sharpness and detail. Moreover, I agree with the
statement that there is significantly more Purple Fringing than G1.

6. Pro 90 does vignette. I have been able to see that in over
half of my images.

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There is some truth to statements 5 and 6, but for most people the
zoom will overcome those grudges easily.

LPG said:

I therefore will sell this camera now while I can get my money back
and wait for a better design with the 5 MP CCD or CMOS design with
10X zoom with Mechanical zoom ring, better buffer, superior optics
with less chromatic abr. and a better TTL viewfinder.

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I'll get that camera too when it comes out.
But for now I'm very pleased with the Pro90.

Have fun with your G1, but don't mislead people into thinking they
are better of with a G1, they are not.

You forgot to mention Phil's Pro90 conclusion:
"Highly Recommended"

Marcus

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RuvyA said:

Ruvy

LPG said:

I think, as B.S. has mentionned in an earlier post, we have
started on the wrong foot.

You seem to ignore the weaknesses of the pro90 in your postings.
You do not mention long delays, CA, vignetting, and most important
that the pro90 has less than 80 % of the resolution of the G1, (2.6
-vs- 3.3).

Nobody is questionning the quality of the pics you posted. I think
the G1 owners are wondering why move 'down' in maybe the most
important aspect of photography, resolution, only to move up in a
"limited' , (to most photographers), telephoto capability ? Based
on this the G1 could probably be a better choice for most
photographers.

Yet you insist on issuing statements, (while posting your photos),
that in your views the pro90 is far superior to the G1 while
refusing to acknowledge the less presentable properties of the
pro90. In other words, your subjectivity is clouding the issue
and could lead unaware forum users to the wrong buying decision.

Maybe if you stop those comments on the G1-vs-the pro90 peace will
come back ...

LPG

fido said:

Why on earth anyone would settle for a 102mm compromise of a lens
is beyond me! LOL And what - no image stabilizer on the G1? Wow! I
couldn't live with that compromise! What - no grip on the G1 - Who
could live with that compromise?

Get over it already. It's only a tool. Buy and use which ever one
suits your needs and style and be happy with it and let us be happy
with the Pro90.

Am I missing something here? Do my pictures with the Pro90 stink?

LPG said:

Cheers,

fido said:

I won't post to this subject again. The Pro90, FOR MY USES, is far
superior to the G1 for about the same money as the G1 with lens
adapter and telephoto converter. I have had both and know the
pluses and minuses. Yes the big plus is that big 10x lens! I love
the commenst - "except for the 10x lens the G1 is better". Except
for? C'mon - get real! The Pro90 is a G1 with a 10x lens! It uses
less of the same CCD and has the same electronics. Long range zoom
lenses have more compromises than short range zooms - but - having
too short of focal length is a MAJOR COMPROMISE!

My image capturing abilities have not diminished from trading in
the G1 for a Pro90!

A D30 would even be better but it's a LOT MORE money!

Marcus Bertilsson said:

Thanks for your opinions.
For you, the G1 might be better.
But for most people, the Pro90 will be much better.

dentite said:

I am thoroughly convinced that Pro 90 is a far inferior design with only > the zoom advantage over G1.

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ONLY ? For most people the zoom advantage will make all the
difference.
I think most people need more than 3x.
If you don't, good for you.

Ruvy said:

Here is why I regret my purchase:

1. Yes Pro 90 has the 10X advantage. However, its fly by wire and
not mechanical. There is a very annoying 1/2 second delay when you
turn the ring till you see your results. If I for example turn the
ring too far and then try to correct my mistake by turning the ring
back a notch, the delays add up to 1.2 seconds.

Click to expand...

You do get used to this and it is not a problem.

Ruvy said:

2. There is NO continuous shooting mode on Pro 90 like it is on
G1. I always have to wait for the camera to process its image which
takes twice to three times longer than G1.

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Right

Ruvy said:

3. Pro 90 is not a great vacation/hiking/field camera. If I want
to go for a week vacation in a country or location where
electricity is not available..I can get three to four additional
batteries for G1, Use the viewfinder exclusively, and get away with
a week of shooting filling up three microdrives. Pro 90 on the
other hand consumes three-four times more juice than G1 because of
its viewfinder, Image stabilization and Noise Reduction which is
always turned on (Hello Canon... what in the world were you
thinking? Why do I need Noise reduction at 1/500 Tv?)

Click to expand...

Wrong! For the money it is a great vacation/hiking/field camera.
Most people won't use it like you.

Ruvy said:

4. The Pro 90's viewfinder can not be used for instant feedback of
images like the LCD can. Therefore, I almost never use the
viewfinder because I like that instant feedback.

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Ruvy said:

5. Pro 90's lens is not as sharp as G1 (see Phil's review). I saw
this when I tried to take Macro shots. Pro 90 in no way can compare
to G1 in sharpness and detail. Moreover, I agree with the
statement that there is significantly more Purple Fringing than G1.

6. Pro 90 does vignette. I have been able to see that in over
half of my images.

Click to expand...

There is some truth to statements 5 and 6, but for most people the
zoom will overcome those grudges easily.

Ruvy said:

I therefore will sell this camera now while I can get my money back
and wait for a better design with the 5 MP CCD or CMOS design with
10X zoom with Mechanical zoom ring, better buffer, superior optics
with less chromatic abr. and a better TTL viewfinder.

Click to expand...

I'll get that camera too when it comes out.
But for now I'm very pleased with the Pro90.

Have fun with your G1, but don't mislead people into thinking they
are better of with a G1, they are not.

You forgot to mention Phil's Pro90 conclusion:
"Highly Recommended"

Marcus

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LPG said:

In other words, your subjectivity is clouding the issue and
could lead unaware forum users to the wrong buying decision.

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LPG said:

and most important that the pro90 has less than 80 %
of the resolution of the G1, (2.6 -vs- 3.3).

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LPG said:

I think, as B.S. has mentionned in an earlier post, we have
started on the wrong foot.

You seem to ignore the weaknesses of the pro90 in your postings.
You do not mention long delays, CA, vignetting, and most important
that the pro90 has less than 80 % of the resolution of the G1, (2.6
-vs- 3.3).

Nobody is questionning the quality of the pics you posted. I think
the G1 owners are wondering why move 'down' in maybe the most
important aspect of photography, resolution, only to move up in a
"limited' , (to most photographers), telephoto capability ? Based
on this the G1 could probably be a better choice for most
photographers.

Yet you insist on issuing statements, (while posting your photos),
that in your views the pro90 is far superior to the G1 while
refusing to acknowledge the less presentable properties of the
pro90. In other words, your subjectivity is clouding the issue
and could lead unaware forum users to the wrong buying decision.

Maybe if you stop those comments on the G1-vs-the pro90 peace will
come back ...

LPG

fido said:

Why on earth anyone would settle for a 102mm compromise of a lens
is beyond me! LOL And what - no image stabilizer on the G1? Wow! I
couldn't live with that compromise! What - no grip on the G1 - Who
could live with that compromise?

Get over it already. It's only a tool. Buy and use which ever one
suits your needs and style and be happy with it and let us be happy
with the Pro90.

Am I missing something here? Do my pictures with the Pro90 stink?

LPG said:

Cheers,

fido said:

I won't post to this subject again. The Pro90, FOR MY USES, is far
superior to the G1 for about the same money as the G1 with lens
adapter and telephoto converter. I have had both and know the
pluses and minuses. Yes the big plus is that big 10x lens! I love
the commenst - "except for the 10x lens the G1 is better". Except
for? C'mon - get real! The Pro90 is a G1 with a 10x lens! It uses
less of the same CCD and has the same electronics. Long range zoom
lenses have more compromises than short range zooms - but - having
too short of focal length is a MAJOR COMPROMISE!

My image capturing abilities have not diminished from trading in
the G1 for a Pro90!

A D30 would even be better but it's a LOT MORE money!

Marcus Bertilsson said:

Thanks for your opinions.
For you, the G1 might be better.
But for most people, the Pro90 will be much better.

dentite said:

I am thoroughly convinced that Pro 90 is a far inferior design with only > the zoom advantage over G1.

Click to expand...

ONLY ? For most people the zoom advantage will make all the
difference.
I think most people need more than 3x.
If you don't, good for you.

LPG said:

Here is why I regret my purchase:

1. Yes Pro 90 has the 10X advantage. However, its fly by wire and
not mechanical. There is a very annoying 1/2 second delay when you
turn the ring till you see your results. If I for example turn the
ring too far and then try to correct my mistake by turning the ring
back a notch, the delays add up to 1.2 seconds.

Click to expand...

You do get used to this and it is not a problem.

LPG said:

2. There is NO continuous shooting mode on Pro 90 like it is on
G1. I always have to wait for the camera to process its image which
takes twice to three times longer than G1.

Click to expand...

Right

LPG said:

3. Pro 90 is not a great vacation/hiking/field camera. If I want
to go for a week vacation in a country or location where
electricity is not available..I can get three to four additional
batteries for G1, Use the viewfinder exclusively, and get away with
a week of shooting filling up three microdrives. Pro 90 on the
other hand consumes three-four times more juice than G1 because of
its viewfinder, Image stabilization and Noise Reduction which is
always turned on (Hello Canon... what in the world were you
thinking? Why do I need Noise reduction at 1/500 Tv?)

Click to expand...

Wrong! For the money it is a great vacation/hiking/field camera.
Most people won't use it like you.

LPG said:

4. The Pro 90's viewfinder can not be used for instant feedback of
images like the LCD can. Therefore, I almost never use the
viewfinder because I like that instant feedback.

Click to expand...

LPG said:

5. Pro 90's lens is not as sharp as G1 (see Phil's review). I saw
this when I tried to take Macro shots. Pro 90 in no way can compare
to G1 in sharpness and detail. Moreover, I agree with the
statement that there is significantly more Purple Fringing than G1.

6. Pro 90 does vignette. I have been able to see that in over
half of my images.

Click to expand...

There is some truth to statements 5 and 6, but for most people the
zoom will overcome those grudges easily.

LPG said:

I therefore will sell this camera now while I can get my money back
and wait for a better design with the 5 MP CCD or CMOS design with
10X zoom with Mechanical zoom ring, better buffer, superior optics
with less chromatic abr. and a better TTL viewfinder.

Click to expand...

I'll get that camera too when it comes out.
But for now I'm very pleased with the Pro90.

Have fun with your G1, but don't mislead people into thinking they
are better of with a G1, they are not.

You forgot to mention Phil's Pro90 conclusion:
"Highly Recommended"

Marcus

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fido said:

Why on earth anyone would settle for a 102mm compromise of a lens
is beyond me! LOL And what - no image stabilizer on the G1? Wow! I
couldn't live with that compromise! What - no grip on the G1 - Who
could live with that compromise?

Get over it already. It's only a tool. Buy and use which ever one
suits your needs and style and be happy with it and let us be happy
with the Pro90.

Am I missing something here? Do my pictures with the Pro90 stink?

LPG said:

Cheers,

fido said:

I won't post to this subject again. The Pro90, FOR MY USES, is far
superior to the G1 for about the same money as the G1 with lens
adapter and telephoto converter. I have had both and know the
pluses and minuses. Yes the big plus is that big 10x lens! I love
the commenst - "except for the 10x lens the G1 is better". Except
for? C'mon - get real! The Pro90 is a G1 with a 10x lens! It uses
less of the same CCD and has the same electronics. Long range zoom
lenses have more compromises than short range zooms - but - having
too short of focal length is a MAJOR COMPROMISE!

My image capturing abilities have not diminished from trading in
the G1 for a Pro90!

A D30 would even be better but it's a LOT MORE money!

Marcus Bertilsson said:

Thanks for your opinions.
For you, the G1 might be better.
But for most people, the Pro90 will be much better.

dentite said:

I am thoroughly convinced that Pro 90 is a far inferior design with only > the zoom advantage over G1.

Click to expand...

ONLY ? For most people the zoom advantage will make all the
difference.
I think most people need more than 3x.
If you don't, good for you.

david hickey said:

Here is why I regret my purchase:

1. Yes Pro 90 has the 10X advantage. However, its fly by wire and
not mechanical. There is a very annoying 1/2 second delay when you
turn the ring till you see your results. If I for example turn the
ring too far and then try to correct my mistake by turning the ring
back a notch, the delays add up to 1.2 seconds.

Click to expand...

You do get used to this and it is not a problem.

david hickey said:

2. There is NO continuous shooting mode on Pro 90 like it is on
G1. I always have to wait for the camera to process its image which
takes twice to three times longer than G1.

Click to expand...

Right

david hickey said:

3. Pro 90 is not a great vacation/hiking/field camera. If I want
to go for a week vacation in a country or location where
electricity is not available..I can get three to four additional
batteries for G1, Use the viewfinder exclusively, and get away with
a week of shooting filling up three microdrives. Pro 90 on the
other hand consumes three-four times more juice than G1 because of
its viewfinder, Image stabilization and Noise Reduction which is
always turned on (Hello Canon... what in the world were you
thinking? Why do I need Noise reduction at 1/500 Tv?)

Click to expand...

Wrong! For the money it is a great vacation/hiking/field camera.
Most people won't use it like you.

david hickey said:

4. The Pro 90's viewfinder can not be used for instant feedback of
images like the LCD can. Therefore, I almost never use the
viewfinder because I like that instant feedback.

Click to expand...

david hickey said:

5. Pro 90's lens is not as sharp as G1 (see Phil's review). I saw
this when I tried to take Macro shots. Pro 90 in no way can compare
to G1 in sharpness and detail. Moreover, I agree with the
statement that there is significantly more Purple Fringing than G1.

6. Pro 90 does vignette. I have been able to see that in over
half of my images.

Click to expand...

There is some truth to statements 5 and 6, but for most people the
zoom will overcome those grudges easily.

david hickey said:

I therefore will sell this camera now while I can get my money back
and wait for a better design with the 5 MP CCD or CMOS design with
10X zoom with Mechanical zoom ring, better buffer, superior optics
with less chromatic abr. and a better TTL viewfinder.

Click to expand...

I'll get that camera too when it comes out.
But for now I'm very pleased with the Pro90.

Have fun with your G1, but don't mislead people into thinking they
are better of with a G1, they are not.

You forgot to mention Phil's Pro90 conclusion:
"Highly Recommended"

Marcus

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Ken A said:

Just one quick note on the G1 grip, as noted it is small but put a
550 EX on it and now it's even smaller. Because I use it as a
backup to a D30, I've ordered a Pro 90.
Ken A

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John said:

I'm thinking of getting a Pro90 because I want a camera that will
take great pics and the Pro90 adds the 10X zoom as a plus. The BIG
question is, how does the picture quality compare to the G1? Can
it provide the same quality pictures as the G1, or better?

All thoughts... opinions appreciated and considered.

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Brian B said:

John said:

I'm thinking of getting a Pro90 because I want a camera that will
take great pics and the Pro90 adds the 10X zoom as a plus. The BIG
question is, how does the picture quality compare to the G1? Can
it provide the same quality pictures as the G1, or better?

All thoughts... opinions appreciated and considered.

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Hanvi said:

1- The owners of the Pro90 are satisfied with 2.6 MP because they
gain a 10 X zoom.

2- Photo quality is close to the G1 but with 20 % less resolution.

3- To Pro90 owners, the zoom is the camera. To G1 owners the CCD
is the camera.

Can I conclude that:

1- If you want to take photographs of far away objects, use the
pro90.

2- If you need high resolution and better quality photos for
objects that are not too far, use the G1.

3- If you need all three, resolution, quality and photographs of
far away objects use a G1 with a good telephoto lens.

Hanvi

Brian B said:

John said:

I'm thinking of getting a Pro90 because I want a camera that will
take great pics and the Pro90 adds the 10X zoom as a plus. The BIG
question is, how does the picture quality compare to the G1? Can
it provide the same quality pictures as the G1, or better?

All thoughts... opinions appreciated and considered.

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Ed Shropshire said:

If someone want more telephoto than a G1 the Pro 90 is a great
option. I really do not see a lot of difference on image quality
between the two cameras. You might see it on big print outs, if
someone really wants to test I guess they could print images from
both and compare both cameras. Not a big issue to me, I think they
both take great pictures.

Ed

Hanvi said:

1- The owners of the Pro90 are satisfied with 2.6 MP because they
gain a 10 X zoom.

2- Photo quality is close to the G1 but with 20 % less resolution.

3- To Pro90 owners, the zoom is the camera. To G1 owners the CCD
is the camera.

Can I conclude that:

1- If you want to take photographs of far away objects, use the
pro90.

2- If you need high resolution and better quality photos for
objects that are not too far, use the G1.

3- If you need all three, resolution, quality and photographs of
far away objects use a G1 with a good telephoto lens.

Hanvi

Brian B said:

John said:

I'm thinking of getting a Pro90 because I want a camera that will
take great pics and the Pro90 adds the 10X zoom as a plus. The BIG
question is, how does the picture quality compare to the G1? Can
it provide the same quality pictures as the G1, or better?

All thoughts... opinions appreciated and considered.

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Adrian Chew said:

Trying to compare a G1 and Pro 90 is like an apple to orange
comparison - buy them and use them for different purposes. If you
need resolution, quality and photographs of faraway objects, DO NOT
buy a G1 and telephoto lens (which gets you a puny telephoto reach
anyways). Buy the D30 and a Canon L IS lens instead, or an EOS and
a high-end film/slide scanner.

Ed Shropshire said:

If someone want more telephoto than a G1 the Pro 90 is a great
option. I really do not see a lot of difference on image quality
between the two cameras. You might see it on big print outs, if
someone really wants to test I guess they could print images from
both and compare both cameras. Not a big issue to me, I think they
both take great pictures.

Ed

Hanvi said:

1- The owners of the Pro90 are satisfied with 2.6 MP because they
gain a 10 X zoom.

2- Photo quality is close to the G1 but with 20 % less resolution.

3- To Pro90 owners, the zoom is the camera. To G1 owners the CCD
is the camera.

Can I conclude that:

1- If you want to take photographs of far away objects, use the
pro90.

2- If you need high resolution and better quality photos for
objects that are not too far, use the G1.

3- If you need all three, resolution, quality and photographs of
far away objects use a G1 with a good telephoto lens.

Hanvi

Brian B said:

John said:

I'm thinking of getting a Pro90 because I want a camera that will
take great pics and the Pro90 adds the 10X zoom as a plus. The BIG
question is, how does the picture quality compare to the G1? Can
it provide the same quality pictures as the G1, or better?

All thoughts... opinions appreciated and considered.

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John said:

I'm thinking of getting a Pro90 because I want a camera that will
take great pics and the Pro90 adds the 10X zoom as a plus. The BIG
question is, how does the picture quality compare to the G1? Can
it provide the same quality pictures as the G1, or better?

All thoughts... opinions appreciated and considered.

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