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Good work on both of your parts :)

Even athiests like myself have Cristian type morals

God speed George Bush ;)
Mjack1957 said:
A person's sexual orientation in no means suggests they can not be
beneficial to a society. As a matter of fact, there are many great
contributions made to humanity by homosexuals.

I speak from a spiritual context as I'm a Christian and the canon
of scripture teaches clearly that homosexuality is "un-natural".

My first post to this thread was not wise and has caused a flurry
of responses. However, I still hold to the belief that
homosexuality is a violation of the natural laws of human
reproduction. Within the confines of this argument alone; natural
= right.
Simone M. Navarra said:
I find the assumption "natural=right" to be a little too simplicistic.

Is Internet "natural"? Is digital photography? Is cancer natural?
What can be defined natural after all? Different behaviours are
generated to help races survive just in case something really
unexpected happens. Homosexuality is surely not useful for survival
of the single individual, but from a social point of view I'm not
100% convinced humanity will be better without homosexuals.

Ancient philosophers used to have sex with both men and women but
the scripts of Aristoteles (to name an example) were still useful
not too long ago to help discover the flow of blood inside veins
(the Aristotelic assumption of "if it's there there must be a
reason" was used in that case).

I also believe that if gays want to be recognized as "normal" they
should avoid walking around naked with funny things tied to their
intimate parts :)

Simone

http://www.simonenavarra.it
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If its perfectly ok to show this kind of thing then why was it wrong and immoral to post ones food of choice and pictures of their culture? (the chinesse restuarant pics) ........

Doesnt make sense to me.....i personally didnt find the chinesse restuarant pics bad enough to be banned nor do i find these bad enough to be banned even tho i dont agree with it.

Talking about ones rights and rules......sheesh. You dont wanna see it DONT click on it. Simple as that.
michaelthorne said:
mfurman said:
Can anyone explain to me why it is OK to post pictures of naked gay
man and it is a big sin (on this and other forums) to include a
picture of a naked female model. Are the rules different if they
apply to homosexuals?

Michael
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Rudi
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All my animals are indeed wild and NOT
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HE clearly did not post nudity in his thread.

He had a link with a big WARNING sign to see nudity.

So the fact that you saw it...........with the big WARNING sign..........

...........I don't know...........

Ro1
mfurman said:
Can anyone explain to me why it is OK to post pictures of naked gay
man and it is a big sin (on this and other forums) to include a
picture of a naked female model. Are the rules different if they
apply to homosexuals?

Michael
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I was taught as a Christaiin to be tolerant, compassionate and accepting of all of God's creatures. Did I miss the part where it says I should be critical and judgemental of homosexuals? Please don't quote scripture, I understand scripture tells you not to do it (it also tells you to take an eye for an eye and cut off the hand that sins etc), but I need the part where it say's I can be critical and judgemental against certain people.
 
You're a christian and I'm an athiest, so that's where the line gets drawn. I have no worries or moral conflicts with who I am. I just wish that your brethren (conservative right-wing Falwell/Bush types) would stop treating gays like second-class citizens.

There are so many christians that don't view gays in a bad light and in fact welcome them into the church as they are. They see the biblical teaching regarding homosexuality a result of not understanding it, much like today.

Can you read Leviticus and say that all of it, word for word, applies in today's society? I should hope not. It's called evolution of thought through learning.

And yes, by your beliefs, you are judging me...whether you want to call it that or not. You think I'm guilty of a sin, don't you?

Funny how polorizing this topic can be. Had it not been brought up, we might just be sharing a smile about pictures.
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eyevibe said:
I was taught as a Christaiin to be tolerant, compassionate and
accepting of all of God's creatures.
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Apparently you had some very poor teachers. Who told you that God tolerates sin? Give me scripture and verse where you find that.

Was Jesus being tolerant when he beat the money changers out of the temple?

Was He being accepting when he rebuked the Pharisees & Saducees?

You should go back and do a thourough study of your bible.

Did I miss the part where it
eyevibe said:
says I should be critical and judgemental of homosexuals? Please
don't quote scripture, I understand scripture tells you not to do
it (it also tells you to take an eye for an eye and cut off the
hand that sins etc), but I need the part where it say's I can be
critical and judgemental against certain people.
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Again, apparently you don't know what judgment is. And I find it strange that a "Christian" would not want scripture to be quoted... very odd.

If the words of God are "spirit" and "life", why would you not want to hear them?

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michaelthorne said:
My 2 boys are exposed with all this and I cant do anything about
it.
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Trust me - watching Will and Grace will not turn your kids gay.
michaelthorne said:
Funny coming from me. Im open minded and love people and enjoy
being a nut all the time.
I just have concerns as a parrent
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What are you so concorned about gay people that you need to protect your kids from them??

Are you scared that they might redecorate your kids bedroom?? OR highlight thier hairs??

Lets get real...........there are scarier things in life............

Ro1

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We can still share a smile about pictures. I'm not your enemy nor do I hate you. If you met me I would treat you the same way I would treat any other person... with love and respect. And just to let you know. I once served as the President on the Board of Directors for an ASO.. Aids Service Organization. Wrote the grants, got the money, set up the programs, did the counseling, built the assisted living facilities... the works. I've talked to countless homosexuals during counseling. I've wept over their pain and plight. You no nothing of who I am.

You don't know me. You've judged me based on your comments. I pastor a thriving church in my city and welcome all with a message of love but not acceptance of sinful lifestyles. You may or may not be able to understand this... God loves the sinner, but hates sin.

A common reality for all living beings is this. One day we will die. At that time we'll stand before our Creator and He will let us all know what was right and wrong. The only bad thing is at that time you won't be able to change your mind about what you believe.
kennebunkport said:
You're a christian and I'm an athiest, so that's where the line
gets drawn. I have no worries or moral conflicts with who I am. I
just wish that your brethren (conservative right-wing Falwell/Bush
types) would stop treating gays like second-class citizens.

There are so many christians that don't view gays in a bad light
and in fact welcome them into the church as they are. They see the
biblical teaching regarding homosexuality a result of not
understanding it, much like today.

Can you read Leviticus and say that all of it, word for word,
applies in today's society? I should hope not. It's called
evolution of thought through learning.

And yes, by your beliefs, you are judging me...whether you want to
call it that or not. You think I'm guilty of a sin, don't you?

Funny how polorizing this topic can be. Had it not been brought
up, we might just be sharing a smile about pictures.
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http://members3.clubphoto.com/jay229854/guest-1.phtml
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We are all sinners..........gays, straights, democrats, republicans, christians, jews, black and white.............

God is not here to condemn............God sent his Son as means for us "sinners" to believe in him and have eternal life.

To quote incidents where God condemned sinners is not showing the Bible in its "true" essence.

You have your belief and I share your belief.............To say that gays are not even worth "a press in your shutter" is an insult not only to gays but to God..............as God made every human being that lives in this earth.

You might not know this..............but some "gay" people could just as well be your brothers and sisters through Christ.

With love,

Ro1

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You have alot of hate. God may not tolerate sinners, but he forgives them, i.e. Mary Magdalen and Judas.
Mjack1957 said:
eyevibe said:
I was taught as a Christaiin to be tolerant, compassionate and
accepting of all of God's creatures.
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Apparently you had some very poor teachers. Who told you that God
tolerates sin? Give me scripture and verse where you find that.

Was Jesus being tolerant when he beat the money changers out of the
temple?

Was He being accepting when he rebuked the Pharisees & Saducees?

You should go back and do a thourough study of your bible.

Did I miss the part where it
Mjack1957 said:
says I should be critical and judgemental of homosexuals? Please
don't quote scripture, I understand scripture tells you not to do
it (it also tells you to take an eye for an eye and cut off the
hand that sins etc), but I need the part where it say's I can be
critical and judgemental against certain people.
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Again, apparently you don't know what judgment is. And I find it
strange that a "Christian" would not want scripture to be quoted...
very odd.

If the words of God are "spirit" and "life", why would you not want
to hear them?

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I've spent the majority of my life studying scripture. Two undergraduate degrees in theology, one graduate and about to begin doctoral work. I'm pretty much a student of the Word of God.
JohnNYC said:
We are all sinners..........gays, straights, democrats,
republicans, christians, jews, black and white.............
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A sinner is a person who continually practices sin without trying to change or conform their lives to the standard of righteousness that God sets forth in his word. Therefore, we are not all sinners. We sin at times because we are not perfect. But we don't all practice wilfull sin.
JohnNYC said:
God is not here to condemn............God sent his Son as means for
us "sinners" to believe in him and have eternal life.
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I you believe Him then you would accept his message and he would be your Lord. To quote Jesus, Why call ye me Lord when you don't do the things I say?
JohnNYC said:
To quote incidents where God condemned sinners is not showing the
Bible in its "true" essence.
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To not show instances where God condems sin and sinners would be not showing the bible in its' true essence
JohnNYC said:
You have your belief and I share your belief.............To say
that gays are not even worth "a press in your shutter" is an insult
not only to gays but to God..............as God made every human
being that lives in this earth.
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Read my original post. I did not say that gays are not even worth a press in your shutter. Those were your words. Don't put your words in my mouth.
JohnNYC said:
You might not know this..............but some "gay" people could
just as well be your brothers and sisters through Christ.
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As I said before, I've done a great deal of work in the gay community. I've spoken to people who deeply regret the hold that sin has gotten in their lives. They want to stop but don't know how.

I've also talked to others who in arrogance and rebellion turn up there noses at God. These are two differing attitudes all together. I've helped some and left others to their own devices. You see, in the end it all boils down to choice. We have been given the divine right and priviledge to make choices. Life is after all choice driven. So where we end up will all be a matter of choice.
JohnNYC said:
With love,

Ro1

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we all know God forgives sin. We'd all be in deep trouble if he didn't.
eyevibe said:
You have alot of hate. God may not tolerate sinners, but he
forgives them, i.e. Mary Magdalen and Judas.
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No only did he forgive the afore mentioned, he forgave you and I. As for your "full of hate" remark; it doesn't even warrant a reply.
eyevibe said:
Mjack1957 said:
eyevibe said:
I was taught as a Christaiin to be tolerant, compassionate and
accepting of all of God's creatures.
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Apparently you had some very poor teachers. Who told you that God
tolerates sin? Give me scripture and verse where you find that.

Was Jesus being tolerant when he beat the money changers out of the
temple?

Was He being accepting when he rebuked the Pharisees & Saducees?

You should go back and do a thourough study of your bible.

Did I miss the part where it
eyevibe said:
says I should be critical and judgemental of homosexuals? Please
don't quote scripture, I understand scripture tells you not to do
it (it also tells you to take an eye for an eye and cut off the
hand that sins etc), but I need the part where it say's I can be
critical and judgemental against certain people.
Click to expand...
Again, apparently you don't know what judgment is. And I find it
strange that a "Christian" would not want scripture to be quoted...
very odd.

If the words of God are "spirit" and "life", why would you not want
to hear them?
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PaulyOly said:
I was just going to say this, but see you beat me to it. I'm not
homophobic, i'm not a gay basher, i've known a few openly gay
people in my life and did not have a problem with them. Now the
thought of having sex with another man or even kissing another man
is utterly repulsive to me, not because i'm homophobic, not because
of my religious beliefs, because i'm straight. Is there something
wrong with that?
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The idea of a grownup named Pauly is repulsive to me, is there something wrong with that?
I'm a very tolerant person, but it just turns my stomach.
 
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I guess it doesnt really matter anyways. Its a subject that will never be agreed on. Just like religion,politics,....Just one more noncontrolable thing in the world....
JohnNYC said:
michaelthorne said:
My 2 boys are exposed with all this and I cant do anything about
it.
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Trust me - watching Will and Grace will not turn your kids gay.
JohnNYC said:
Funny coming from me. Im open minded and love people and enjoy
being a nut all the time.
I just have concerns as a parrent
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What are you so concorned about gay people that you need to protect
your kids from them??

Are you scared that they might redecorate your kids bedroom?? OR
highlight thier hairs??

Lets get real...........there are scarier things in life............

Ro1

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Mjack1957 said:
I've spent the majority of my life studying scripture. Two
undergraduate degrees in theology, one graduate and about to begin
doctoral work. I'm pretty much a student of the Word of God.
JohnNYC wrote:
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You can know the Bible............And you can practice the Bible.......
Two very different things............
Mjack1957 said:
Mjack1957 said:
We are all sinners..........gays, straights, democrats,
republicans, christians, jews, black and white.............
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A sinner is a person who continually practices sin without trying
to change or conform their lives to the standard of righteousness
that God sets forth in his word. Therefore, we are not all
sinners. We sin at times because we are not perfect. But we don't
all practice wilfull sin.
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How do you stop being gay?? Being gay is not a choice...........It is "YOU" as an individual. Can you be gay tomorrow and straight the next day?? NO!!! Being gay is not willfull sin.............
Mjack1957 said:
Mjack1957 said:
God is not here to condemn............God sent his Son as means for
us "sinners" to believe in him and have eternal life.
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I you believe Him then you would accept his message and he would be
your Lord. To quote Jesus, Why call ye me Lord when you don't do
the things I say?
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"My heart is willing............but my body is weak." We're human beings.
Mjack1957 said:
Mjack1957 said:
To quote incidents where God condemned sinners is not showing the
Bible in its "true" essence.
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To not show instances where God condems sin and sinners would be
not showing the bible in its' true essence
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Agreed. But in the end........which would you rather publicize?? That God condemns?? Or that God saves??
Mjack1957 said:
Mjack1957 said:
You have your belief and I share your belief.............To say
that gays are not even worth "a press in your shutter" is an insult
not only to gays but to God..............as God made every human
being that lives in this earth.
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Read my original post. I did not say that gays are not even worth
a press in your shutter. Those were your words. Don't put your
words in my mouth.
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This is your post:

"I wouldn't have wasted a shutter click on any of these"
Mjack1957 said:
Mjack1957 said:
You might not know this..............but some "gay" people could
just as well be your brothers and sisters through Christ.
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As I said before, I've done a great deal of work in the gay
community. I've spoken to people who deeply regret the hold that
sin has gotten in their lives. They want to stop but don't know
how.
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Exactly..........they don't know how..............and do you think that all your post up to this point have shown them the "way"??
Mjack1957 said:
I've also talked to others who in arrogance and rebellion turn up
there noses at God. These are two differing attitudes all
together. I've helped some and left others to their own devices.
You see, in the end it all boils down to choice. We have been
given the divine right and priviledge to make choices. Life is
after all choice driven. So where we end up will all be a matter
of choice.
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I've said it before and I'll say it again.........being gay is NOT a choice. If you truly believe that being GAY is a choice..........then I have nothing more to say.

More compassion and less condemnation.

Aite??

Chill.........
Mjack1957 said:
Mjack1957 said:
With love,

Ro1

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No im insecure with homos taking over the world.

Everyone has their 'thing' I dont like a bunch of gays running around pretending its ok when they know it isnt. They know better. You know better. Im not a religious man much anymore but God spoke the words but I have enough brains to know its nasty and wrong. My opinion....End of discussion....
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michaelthorne wrote:

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