1DMKII: the Japanese r sticking it to us!

You don't have a 1DMkII, you didn't have one and you never use it. these facts are stated in your profile. How do you know?

Cau
OK, it only has 70% of the overall resolution, but its just as fast
or faster, and more ergonomic and easy to use ;-)
  • Andrew
 
There is a long thread about the MKII buttons, that require 10
fingers to push at the same time to operate. It is so highly
controversial. TWo camps : red and blue. one critique the other
worship whatever in this machine.
I want to reboot and brainstorm in different but more fundamental
aspect of the construction of this remarkable camera.
Why did Canon build MKII the way they did. They can do it so easy
to operate as Toyata build Lexus. Sophisticated, powerful and yet
so smooth and one can drive it while sleeping and still arrive
safely home.
But the Japanese have competition as far as cars are concerned: the
Germans. So they have to do what we Americans like: soothing
smoothness. Not so with Cameras.
Here in the world of photography, the Kingdom of the Sun, that is.
The Japanese totally dominate the market. The Americans own the
Golden Arches of MCDonald. They push grease and fries down people's
throat around the world. The weird thing is; Around the world
people love American for this "healthy food."
Now the Japanese are sticking it to us. They love things the hard
way. It is the pain just to see them using all the energy to speak.
They said: you want our cameras? you operate the hard way we love:
use all your ten fingers and maybe you teeth . You have no choice.
And they are right, we have no choice. Some of us already are
assimilated to the Japanese culture: they love all the buttons of
MKII and want even more.
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Frank from Phoenix
Canon 1D Mk2
 
Didn't see a serious answer to this, but basically it's a positive action design, in that to make a change you have to press a button AND turn a wheel at the same time.

This is done to prevent accidental camera setting changes. Period.

Nothing worse than bringing up a camera to take an important shot, only to find your belt buckle or bag has changed the ISO, metering mode, and color balance on you...
 
my dreb shooting mode kept getting changed accidentally just like you said. it drove me crazy.
Didn't see a serious answer to this, but basically it's a positive
action design, in that to make a change you have to press a button
AND turn a wheel at the same time.

This is done to prevent accidental camera setting changes. Period.

Nothing worse than bringing up a camera to take an important shot,
only to find your belt buckle or bag has changed the ISO, metering
mode, and color balance on you...
 
Nothing worse than bringing up a camera to take an important shot,
only to find your belt buckle or bag has changed the ISO, metering
mode, and color balance on you...
I think nothing is worse than bringing up a camera to take an important shot, only to find that your can't find ISO, metering mode, and color balance at the same time as the scene is changing too fast.

Other photographers are pushing and shoving at you for the best angle and your brain is too busy composing the shot and thinking how to work the button combinations.

As you fumble with your button combinations, others are busy clicking away and you have no choice but to shoot with the wrong modes.

How bout that?
 
my input should be limited on this topic, though, since i am not a professional photog whose livelihood depends on one's camera. pros are unlikely to use the dreb.
How bout that?
In my 2.5 years of wearing my D30 around my neck, over my shoulder,
sticking it quickly into bags, or putting it down or picking it up
quickly, hurriedly even, to get a shot, I've never accidentally
changed the settings.

--
JCDoss
 
As you fumble with your button combinations, others are busy
clicking away and you have no choice but to shoot with the wrong
modes. How bout that?
If it's that important, then how about learning to use your equipment so it's not a problem???

Seriously.

In practically ANY other field than photography, someone has practiced their technique so they can depend on it in a crunch.

But how many people here can tell me without looking if rotating the main input dial right increases or decreases values (f-stop, iso, etc.) Hint. It's the opposite (unfortunately) of the zoom ring.

Can you set ISO by feel, and confirm at a glance?

What is the top non-recessed button on the barrel of the 70-200 IS, and is forward ON or OFF?

There's a sports quote that says when you're not practicing, someone else out there is practicing, and when you meet, he'll win.

Or in our case, get the shot while you standing there grumbling at Canon...
 
Yup, I've never accidently change a setting I did not want on a 10D, EOS7, EOS50, EOS30, Nikon F4, F5, D100 as well.
How bout that?
In my 2.5 years of wearing my D30 around my neck, over my shoulder,
sticking it quickly into bags, or putting it down or picking it up
quickly, hurriedly even, to get a shot, I've never accidentally
changed the settings.

--
JCDoss
 
Although I thought I gave my usual answer to this non-issue (which is the same answer as yours Michael) is that this point has been beaten to death over the last couple of months. The thing is that we have an unprecedented number of people upgrading from the 10D and 300D who are having adjustment issues with the 1 series controls and don't get why anyone would want or need this setup when in fact it's very helpful for the target market.

Teski
Didn't see a serious answer to this, but basically it's a positive
action design, in that to make a change you have to press a button
AND turn a wheel at the same time.

This is done to prevent accidental camera setting changes. Period.

Nothing worse than bringing up a camera to take an important shot,
only to find your belt buckle or bag has changed the ISO, metering
mode, and color balance on you...
 
And Canon has been consulting the pros for the design and nothing has changed in any 1 series camera. Obviously you shoot Nikon....I hate the incredibly ridiculous menu design of Nikon (I had a 950, 5000, and D100) and it drove me nuts! It's all about preferences.

Teski
Nothing worse than bringing up a camera to take an important shot,
only to find your belt buckle or bag has changed the ISO, metering
mode, and color balance on you...
I think nothing is worse than bringing up a camera to take an
important shot, only to find that your can't find ISO, metering
mode, and color balance at the same time as the scene is changing
too fast.

Other photographers are pushing and shoving at you for the best
angle and your brain is too busy composing the shot and thinking
how to work the button combinations.

As you fumble with your button combinations, others are busy
clicking away and you have no choice but to shoot with the wrong
modes.

How bout that?
 
It's not entirely about learning about your equiptment since the button combinations on the 1 series are very logical and clearly marked. There's not much to learn. It's about getting confused when things are happening real fast and the scene in front of you is changing. You thought one shot AF was fine but now you really need Servo AF. When your right brain is busy composing the shot while your left brain decides what settings to use and how to make the changes. (or is it the other way?) That's when you get jammed.

Anyway, you're right about practice. I'm sure there are many out there who find the 1 series second nature in operations after lots of practice and getting used to it. Press that AF button and spin that dial and you're in the right AF mode. Me, I still prefer to flick a switch and i'm sure many would too. To each his own.
As you fumble with your button combinations, others are busy
clicking away and you have no choice but to shoot with the wrong
modes. How bout that?
If it's that important, then how about learning to use your
equipment so it's not a problem???

Seriously.

In practically ANY other field than photography, someone has
practiced their technique so they can depend on it in a crunch.

But how many people here can tell me without looking if rotating
the main input dial right increases or decreases values (f-stop,
iso, etc.) Hint. It's the opposite (unfortunately) of the zoom ring.

Can you set ISO by feel, and confirm at a glance?

What is the top non-recessed button on the barrel of the 70-200 IS,
and is forward ON or OFF?

There's a sports quote that says when you're not practicing,
someone else out there is practicing, and when you meet, he'll win.

Or in our case, get the shot while you standing there grumbling at
Canon...
 
I assumed you only use Nikon which was my bad. Anyway, I think you get my point based on your other responses...You can ignore my post. The same discussion has already taken place. :-)

Teski
Teski
Nothing worse than bringing up a camera to take an important shot,
only to find your belt buckle or bag has changed the ISO, metering
mode, and color balance on you...
I think nothing is worse than bringing up a camera to take an
important shot, only to find that your can't find ISO, metering
mode, and color balance at the same time as the scene is changing
too fast.

Other photographers are pushing and shoving at you for the best
angle and your brain is too busy composing the shot and thinking
how to work the button combinations.

As you fumble with your button combinations, others are busy
clicking away and you have no choice but to shoot with the wrong
modes.

How bout that?
 
And Canon has been consulting the pros for the design and nothing
has changed in any 1 series camera. Obviously you shoot Nikon....I
hate the incredibly ridiculous menu design of Nikon (I had a 950,
5000, and D100) and it drove me nuts! It's all about preferences.

Teski
Hi Teski,

I've shot Nikon in the past but I shoot with the 1V and the 10D now. I've tried the D2h and liked it's interface and some other aspects of it which I won't elaborate on right now since this thread is about interface design.

The perfect DSLR would be a Canikon or a Nicanon.
 
Cos I really could not imagine how I was being bad.

But you're absolutely right about these kind of posts coming from Nikon or ex Nikon users :)
Teski
Teski
Nothing worse than bringing up a camera to take an important shot,
only to find your belt buckle or bag has changed the ISO, metering
mode, and color balance on you...
I think nothing is worse than bringing up a camera to take an
important shot, only to find that your can't find ISO, metering
mode, and color balance at the same time as the scene is changing
too fast.

Other photographers are pushing and shoving at you for the best
angle and your brain is too busy composing the shot and thinking
how to work the button combinations.

As you fumble with your button combinations, others are busy
clicking away and you have no choice but to shoot with the wrong
modes.

How bout that?
 
When your right brain is busy composing the shot while
your left brain decides what settings to use and how to make the
changes. (or is it the other way?)
I think it is the other way.
I still prefer to flick a switch and i'm sure many would too.
I don't know if the whole 1Dx layout needs to change, but there are a couple of functions that could stand to be accessed a little easier. ISO is one... that's something that should be easily changed with minimal hassle.

--
JCDoss
 
It's not entirely about learning about your equiptment since the
button combinations on the 1 series are very logical and clearly
marked. There's not much to learn. It's about getting confused when
things are happening real fast...
Which means that it needs to be second nature.

Sorry, didn't mean to jump, but practice --or the lack thereof-- is a pet-peave of mine.

And actually, the best thing to do is to anticipate the moment. So when you come indoors, take a second to bump the ISO then, setting up the camera correctly in anticipation of a potential shot...
 

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