Omni Bounce Question

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I have a question about Omni Bounce equipment.

I have the 550EX and shot this photo.



I had the bulb pointed at my ceilling when I took this.

My question is this. Will an Omni Bounce attachment remove the need for pointing the flash at the ceilling?

Thanks

Craig
--
I have no regrets. Enemies are another story.
 
The Omni spreads the flash out and provides a strobe effect. I have found that it even produces a stronger flash effect.
I have a question about Omni Bounce equipment.

I have the 550EX and shot this photo.



I had the bulb pointed at my ceilling when I took this.

My question is this. Will an Omni Bounce attachment remove the
need for pointing the flash at the ceilling?

Thanks

Craig
--
I have no regrets. Enemies are another story.
 
You can try my experiment that seems to sythesize the Omibounce pretty well:

Go find a Johnson & Johnson Talcum Powder jar, cut it to the right dimensions and take some direct pictures. I have done this with my 550ex and compared it to the Omnibounce and I don't see much difference.
I have a question about Omni Bounce equipment.

I have the 550EX and shot this photo.



I had the bulb pointed at my ceilling when I took this.

My question is this. Will an Omni Bounce attachment remove the
need for pointing the flash at the ceilling?

Thanks

Craig
--
I have no regrets. Enemies are another story.
 
My question is this. Will an Omni Bounce attachment remove the
need for pointing the flash at the ceilling?

Thanks
Not really.

With traditional bounce flash (un-diffused), the light travels to the ceiling where it is reflected and scattered back down to the subjects below. The drawbacks, in addition to the enormous amount of power required to do this compared to straight ahead flash, is that shadows are created under the eyes. The illumination is more pleasing that undfiffused flash, but there are drawbacks nonetheless.

The Omnibounce can be used in a way which combines the characteristics of straight-ahead flash illumination AND bouncing. By pointing it at the ceiling, you still get the diffused scattering. However, the Omni also throws some light directly forward onto the subject, both reducing the shadows under the brow and reducing the overall amount of flash power needed to fire a proper exposure.

You certainly can use the Omni aimed straight forward on the flash head, and you will get a little bit of diffusion, but not that much. Because of the minimal impact, however, you are fine to leave the Omni on at all times, whether using straight-ahead flash or bouncing.

The strength of the Omni certainly is, in my opinion, in bouncing.

Best of luck

Michael

http://www.michaelphoto.net
 
being done at a local church.. almost ALWAYS the photographer was a female.. and almost ALWAYS they had an omnibounce on and the flash was pointed in a regular fashion straight at the subject.
My question is this. Will an Omni Bounce attachment remove the
need for pointing the flash at the ceilling?

Thanks
Not really.

With traditional bounce flash (un-diffused), the light travels to
the ceiling where it is reflected and scattered back down to the
subjects below. The drawbacks, in addition to the enormous amount
of power required to do this compared to straight ahead flash, is
that shadows are created under the eyes. The illumination is more
pleasing that undfiffused flash, but there are drawbacks
nonetheless.

The Omnibounce can be used in a way which combines the
characteristics of straight-ahead flash illumination AND bouncing.
By pointing it at the ceiling, you still get the diffused
scattering. However, the Omni also throws some light directly
forward onto the subject, both reducing the shadows under the brow
and reducing the overall amount of flash power needed to fire a
proper exposure.

You certainly can use the Omni aimed straight forward on the flash
head, and you will get a little bit of diffusion, but not that
much. Because of the minimal impact, however, you are fine to leave
the Omni on at all times, whether using straight-ahead flash or
bouncing.

The strength of the Omni certainly is, in my opinion, in bouncing.

Best of luck

Michael

http://www.michaelphoto.net
 
being done at a local church.. almost ALWAYS the photographer was a
female.. and almost ALWAYS they had an omnibounce on and the flash
was pointed in a regular fashion straight at the subject.
Id honestly have to say that ive seen more talented female wedding photogs than male for the most part. Its of course not a profession where gender makes a difference in talent. But alot of the females get some nicer shots of the bride dessing etc where the male photog's presence might make the bride uncomfortable.

Assuming a female photog is just a dumb girl who couldnt understand the technical "man" stuff of photography is foolish.

ALOT of the people posting on these forums are male and some of them dont have the slightest clue how their camera works =)

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...the photographer probably couldn't bounce the flash off the ceiling in the church because it was too high.

A pro shot my sister's wedding (male photographer..but anyway)...he also used an omnibounce and pointed the flash directly at the subjects. The resulting pictures were awesome! I don't know what settings he used by they really worked well.

He was a Nikon shooter who used film.
 
Alot of people dont have much understanding of how these units work, and of course theres no big manual with them.

The unit gets its name from the fact its basically provides for a bouncing of light. Direct flash is very harsh and bouncing off a ceiling etc, looks better typically but requires more power and also leaves shadows under the chin, eyes etc. so it alone is not the best option either.

The omibounce is a simple tool that when used properly, allows some of the light to go forward and some of the light to bounce off the ceiling, thus giving the benifits of both lighting sources from a single flash.

There are many other tools that do this same thing and even a simple index card will do it as well. Just rubber band it to the flash head, bend a part of it over the flash and angle the flash upwards. part of the light will bounce off the ceiling and part will reflect off the card for frontal fill.

Using an omnibounce outdoors is useless. Light travels in a straight line and if theres no ceiling or wall to boucne off, it will never be of any benifit.

Shooting thru the omni bounce and thinking it will difffuse the light is foolish as well. All you are doing is using more power and still getting a harsh direct light source.

To soften the light, you need to diffuse it from a larger source. Thats what a softbox or umbrella or wall does. The size of the light source is then very large and thus softer

The omnibounce doesnt really make the light source any larger

Sof-ten makes a small soft box for the flash that does help though. Its about 4x6 inches in the front and velcro's on. This does soften shadows a bit and is better than nothing, but certainly not the soft light of bouncing into a wall or using a real umbrella etc

Hope this clears the matter up for everyone and allows you to use and purchase your tools in an intelligent manner for your needs
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I have seen numerous press photographers using them strait on (or at 45 degrees). Most recently shooting president Bush indoors. Now, I'm not saying you are right or wong, just relaying what I saw. I also bet they send some good Pro photographers to shoot the pres.

This is from the Sto-Fen website, which explains it all with a nice graphic: http://www.stofen.com/Info/HowItWorks.htm
Alot of people dont have much understanding of how these units
work, and of course theres no big manual with them.

The unit gets its name from the fact its basically provides for a
bouncing of light. Direct flash is very harsh and bouncing off a
ceiling etc, looks better typically but requires more power and
also leaves shadows under the chin, eyes etc. so it alone is not
the best option either.

The omibounce is a simple tool that when used properly, allows some
of the light to go forward and some of the light to bounce off the
ceiling, thus giving the benifits of both lighting sources from a
single flash.

There are many other tools that do this same thing and even a
simple index card will do it as well. Just rubber band it to the
flash head, bend a part of it over the flash and angle the flash
upwards. part of the light will bounce off the ceiling and part
will reflect off the card for frontal fill.

Using an omnibounce outdoors is useless. Light travels in a
straight line and if theres no ceiling or wall to boucne off, it
will never be of any benifit.

Shooting thru the omni bounce and thinking it will difffuse the
light is foolish as well. All you are doing is using more power
and still getting a harsh direct light source.

To soften the light, you need to diffuse it from a larger source.
Thats what a softbox or umbrella or wall does. The size of the
light source is then very large and thus softer

The omnibounce doesnt really make the light source any larger

Sof-ten makes a small soft box for the flash that does help though.
Its about 4x6 inches in the front and velcro's on. This does
soften shadows a bit and is better than nothing, but certainly not
the soft light of bouncing into a wall or using a real umbrella etc

Hope this clears the matter up for everyone and allows you to use
and purchase your tools in an intelligent manner for your needs
--
http://www.pbase.com/bigbad
 
Yeah ive seen alot of people use them straight on as well instead of the correct angled usage

Ive also seen alot of people angle them outdoors where there really isnt anything to bounce off

It of course works since its ETTL and the metering just adds more power to the flash to make up for the loss of shooting through the omni bounce but of course then your recycle time is lower, but most pro's use external batteries anyways I guess

I suppose its just as easy to keep it on and shoot thru it when you cant angle it
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http://www.pbase.com/bigbad
 
you can use the omni in any manner you like. you'll get input of all types here, but that input is just opinion. the fact is you'll play around with it and get to know what works best where.

the standard recommendation is to use it at a 45-60 degree angle. the idea is to bounce / spread light as evenly as possible. works great indoors to insure an evenly spread soft light.

I've never used it pointed direct at the subject. Even outdoors I use it at a 45 or 60 degree angle to help soften and reduce light. much easier than using different softboxes, etc....but hey...unless your a pro or a enjoy lugging items around, it works great.

Just my humble joe-average shots, but IMO not bad.

http://www.pbase.com/image/28667705
http://www.pbase.com/image/28500286
http://www.pbase.com/image/22198441
http://www.pbase.com/image/29845511
http://www.pbase.com/image/29845513
http://www.pbase.com/image/29845517
http://www.pbase.com/image/25878745
I have a question about Omni Bounce equipment.

I have the 550EX and shot this photo.



I had the bulb pointed at my ceilling when I took this.

My question is this. Will an Omni Bounce attachment remove the
need for pointing the flash at the ceilling?

Thanks

Craig
--
I have no regrets. Enemies are another story.
--
-tim

Canon 1 0 D, 24-70mm/f2.8 L-Series, 75-300mm/f4-5.6 IS, 50mm f1.8, 35mm f2, Canon 4 2 0EX Speedlight
Sony 7 1 7, Nikon 9 9 5 & Konica KD-4 0 0 Z
Accessories....tons of course
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
 
since it looks like your shooting outdoors a bit, this little softbox velcro's onto your flash and is about 4x6 inches and produces alot softer results than direct flash when theres no ceiling to bounce off

cost me about $25 I think and ive found it really useful for outdoor shooting
--
http://www.pbase.com/bigbad
 
since it looks like your shooting outdoors a bit, this little
softbox velcro's onto your flash and is about 4x6 inches and
produces alot softer results than direct flash when theres no
ceiling to bounce off

cost me about $25 I think and ive found it really useful for
outdoor shooting
--
http://www.pbase.com/bigbad
--
-tim

Canon 1 0 D, 24-70mm/f2.8 L-Series, 75-300mm/f4-5.6 IS, 50mm f1.8, 35mm f2, Canon 4 2 0EX Speedlight
Sony 7 1 7, Nikon 9 9 5 & Konica KD-4 0 0 Z
Accessories....tons of course
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
 
you can use the omni in any manner you like. you'll get input of
all types here, but that input is just opinion. the fact is you'll
play around with it and get to know what works best where.

the standard recommendation is to use it at a 45-60 degree angle.
the idea is to bounce / spread light as evenly as possible. works
great indoors to insure an evenly spread soft light.

I've never used it pointed direct at the subject. Even outdoors I
use it at a 45 or 60 degree angle to help soften and reduce light.
much easier than using different softboxes, etc....but hey...unless
your a pro or a enjoy lugging items around, it works great.

Just my humble joe-average shots, but IMO not bad.

http://www.pbase.com/image/28667705
http://www.pbase.com/image/28500286
http://www.pbase.com/image/22198441
http://www.pbase.com/image/29845511
http://www.pbase.com/image/29845513
http://www.pbase.com/image/29845517
http://www.pbase.com/image/25878745
Tim: Were the outdoor shots done with the omnibounce straight on. The photo I'm most curious of is the pretty girl in the formal red dress.
I have a question about Omni Bounce equipment.

I have the 550EX and shot this photo.



I had the bulb pointed at my ceilling when I took this.

My question is this. Will an Omni Bounce attachment remove the
need for pointing the flash at the ceilling?

Thanks

Craig
--
I have no regrets. Enemies are another story.
--
-tim
Canon 1 0 D, 24-70mm/f2.8 L-Series, 75-300mm/f4-5.6 IS, 50mm f1.8,
35mm f2, Canon 4 2 0EX Speedlight
Sony 7 1 7, Nikon 9 9 5 & Konica KD-4 0 0 Z
Accessories....tons of course
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
 
The primary reason they recommend you point the OmniBounce up is to prevent light from going directly into the sensor of an automatic flash. It has the added benefit of pointing two sides toward the subject, instead of just one, when angled at 45 degrees.

The OmniBounce eats up a ton of power by itself, by spreading the light over five surfaces that was coming out directly. You won't get much of a bounce effect off of a ceiling because that light is not as bright as the direct light from the OB itself. Think about it.

I discovered through use that it doesn't truly soften the light, because it's not big enough. It does spread the light out, however, and is extremly useful for superwide lenses.
the standard recommendation is to use it at a 45-60 degree angle.
the idea is to bounce / spread light as evenly as possible. works
great indoors to insure an evenly spread soft light.

I've never used it pointed direct at the subject. Even outdoors I
use it at a 45 or 60 degree angle to help soften and reduce light.
much easier than using different softboxes, etc....but hey...unless
your a pro or a enjoy lugging items around, it works great.

Just my humble joe-average shots, but IMO not bad.

http://www.pbase.com/image/28667705
http://www.pbase.com/image/28500286
http://www.pbase.com/image/22198441
http://www.pbase.com/image/29845511
http://www.pbase.com/image/29845513
http://www.pbase.com/image/29845517
http://www.pbase.com/image/25878745
I have a question about Omni Bounce equipment.

I have the 550EX and shot this photo.
I had the bulb pointed at my ceilling when I took this.

My question is this. Will an Omni Bounce attachment remove the
need for pointing the flash at the ceilling?

Thanks

Craig
--
I have no regrets. Enemies are another story.
--
-tim
Canon 1 0 D, 24-70mm/f2.8 L-Series, 75-300mm/f4-5.6 IS, 50mm f1.8,
35mm f2, Canon 4 2 0EX Speedlight
Sony 7 1 7, Nikon 9 9 5 & Konica KD-4 0 0 Z
Accessories....tons of course
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
 
I have a question about Omni Bounce equipment.

I have the 550EX and shot this photo.



I had the bulb pointed at my ceilling when I took this.

My question is this. Will an Omni Bounce attachment remove the
need for pointing the flash at the ceilling?

Thanks

Craig
--
I have no regrets. Enemies are another story.
I thought you were supposed to use the omnibounce at a 45-60 degree angle? I saw a lady at my friends welling using it straight on with the digital rebel outside. She was not the main photog.

--
http://www.pbase.com/paulyoly/root

 
I thought you were supposed to use the omnibounce at a 45-60 degree
angle? I saw a lady at my friends welling using it straight on
with the digital rebel outside. She was not the main photog.
people have this mistaken notion that shooting through it somehow will diffuse or soften the light.

This is not correct. All your doing is reducing the effectiveness of the flash. ETTL will simply add more power to the flash to create the same exposure with or without it on.

You can test this yourself, shoot through it and then take it off and do the same shot. THey will look the exact same in terms of exposure and shadow harshness. The only difference is your batteries will die faster and your recycle time will be slower

To really diffuse light you need to have it come from a larger source such as an umbrealla. This takes what used to be a very small light source and turns it into a large light source
2x1 inch flash head means 2 sq inches of light

38 inch umbrealla means about 1133 sq inches of light, thus ALOT softer

same goes for using a big softbox etc

--
http://www.pbase.com/bigbad
 
This is from the Sto-Fen website, which explains it all with a nice
graphic: http://www.stofen.com/Info/HowItWorks.htm
Alot of people dont have much understanding of how these units
work, and of course theres no big manual with them.

The unit gets its name from the fact its basically provides for a
bouncing of light. Direct flash is very harsh and bouncing off a
ceiling etc, looks better typically but requires more power and
also leaves shadows under the chin, eyes etc. so it alone is not
the best option either.

The omibounce is a simple tool that when used properly, allows some
of the light to go forward and some of the light to bounce off the
ceiling, thus giving the benifits of both lighting sources from a
single flash.

There are many other tools that do this same thing and even a
simple index card will do it as well. Just rubber band it to the
flash head, bend a part of it over the flash and angle the flash
upwards. part of the light will bounce off the ceiling and part
will reflect off the card for frontal fill.

Using an omnibounce outdoors is useless. Light travels in a
straight line and if theres no ceiling or wall to boucne off, it
will never be of any benifit.

Shooting thru the omni bounce and thinking it will difffuse the
light is foolish as well. All you are doing is using more power
and still getting a harsh direct light source.

To soften the light, you need to diffuse it from a larger source.
Thats what a softbox or umbrella or wall does. The size of the
light source is then very large and thus softer

The omnibounce doesnt really make the light source any larger

Sof-ten makes a small soft box for the flash that does help though.
Its about 4x6 inches in the front and velcro's on. This does
soften shadows a bit and is better than nothing, but certainly not
the soft light of bouncing into a wall or using a real umbrella etc

Hope this clears the matter up for everyone and allows you to use
and purchase your tools in an intelligent manner for your needs
--
http://www.pbase.com/bigbad
--Thanks very much. I used my 550ex mounted on camera with the omnibounce attached and the 420EX without an ominbounce as a slave. I got very harsh shadows from the 420EX and soft shadows from the 550Ex. This I think proves that the omnibounce in fact softens shadows.
chuck
 
same goes for using a big softbox etc
I began a thread requesting help on a flash here:

http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1031&message=9290653

and was wondering about the softbox. Would it be appropriate for what I want to do, or is its value only in an outdoor environment?

Thanks!

--
--joe

Some (well, a lot!) of my better shots:

http://www.pbase.com/joemama/

Please feel free to criticize, make suggestions, and edit my photos. But, if you don't mind, please be courteous and not pass off my photos as your own (or anyone else's!).

Currently, pretty much any photo I post will be with the Canon 300D and 35mm f 1.4L lens, but on occasion I may post from other cameras and lenses.
 
I always use it at a 45-60 degree angle or even straight upwards. the shot you are asking of....60 degrees. It was an overcast day around 4pm. The tough part about my niece is that her skin is so smooth and even, that any bit of light can cause blow outs.
you can use the omni in any manner you like. you'll get input of
all types here, but that input is just opinion. the fact is you'll
play around with it and get to know what works best where.

the standard recommendation is to use it at a 45-60 degree angle.
the idea is to bounce / spread light as evenly as possible. works
great indoors to insure an evenly spread soft light.

I've never used it pointed direct at the subject. Even outdoors I
use it at a 45 or 60 degree angle to help soften and reduce light.
much easier than using different softboxes, etc....but hey...unless
your a pro or a enjoy lugging items around, it works great.

Just my humble joe-average shots, but IMO not bad.

http://www.pbase.com/image/28667705
http://www.pbase.com/image/28500286
http://www.pbase.com/image/22198441
http://www.pbase.com/image/29845511
http://www.pbase.com/image/29845513
http://www.pbase.com/image/29845517
http://www.pbase.com/image/25878745
Tim: Were the outdoor shots done with the omnibounce straight on.
The photo I'm most curious of is the pretty girl in the formal red
dress.
I have a question about Omni Bounce equipment.

I have the 550EX and shot this photo.



I had the bulb pointed at my ceilling when I took this.

My question is this. Will an Omni Bounce attachment remove the
need for pointing the flash at the ceilling?

Thanks

Craig
--
I have no regrets. Enemies are another story.
--
-tim
Canon 1 0 D, 24-70mm/f2.8 L-Series, 75-300mm/f4-5.6 IS, 50mm f1.8,
35mm f2, Canon 4 2 0EX Speedlight
Sony 7 1 7, Nikon 9 9 5 & Konica KD-4 0 0 Z
Accessories....tons of course
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
--
-tim

Canon 1 0 D, 24-70mm/f2.8 L-Series, 75-300mm/f4-5.6 IS, 50mm f1.8, 35mm f2, Canon 4 2 0EX Speedlight
Sony 7 1 7, Nikon 9 9 5 & Konica KD-4 0 0 Z
Accessories....tons of course
http://www.pbase.com/pdqgp
 

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