Nikon keeps letting me down.

...that Nikon's quality control is extremely high, because it
doesn't sound like I want to deal with their service facilities.
Since 1960 it looks like I've bought 3 times as much Nikon gear as
you have and I've never had to have anything serviced, indicating
extremely high quality control. Well, actually I recall one piece
of bum gear that I had. It was the first SLR I ever bought: a Nikon
F and compared to all my later gear it was a dud, and they couldn't
get it repaired. You're right. Their repair service sucks.

--
FJP
I recently completed a long and very frustrating battle with Dell over a returned item. All their responses were scripted; "thank you for calling, is there any other questions that you have, may we put you on hold, thank you for using Dell, have a nice day". My last four phone calls to Dell lasted more than an hour each. Each time I called it was if I had never talked with them before. It was not until Dell turned into their collection agency that they corrected their error! I think the reason was that I had kept good records of my conversations with them. However, I will never, ever buy anything from Dell again. And, every chance I get, I tell others about Dell's awful customer service. Occasionally someone will tell me about the great computer they bought from Dell which of course begs the question.

It sounds as if both Nikon and Dell are great companies as long as their products work properly. Although Dennis' wife (see above post) has the right idea and is essentially how I handled my situation it is a lot of work and very time consuming not to mention frustrating. At the risk of sounding paranoid, I believe companies like Nikon and Dell have made a conscious and caculated finanical decision not to deal with complaints until they absolutely have to. Yes, good documentation helps but I'd rather deal with a company that values it's customers than deal with Dell again.

Customer service is the issue, not quality control. There is no way for you to see what a company is "made of" until there is a problem. I, for one, hope you tell everyone who crosses your path how poorly Nikon treats their customer when you do have a problem.
 
very good advice - the log and the persistence. i wish i had done that more often in the past with my various tech support calls/issues.
Just my 2 cents, not really suggestion below for your problem
(which I am truly sorry to hear about) just passing along something
helpful to the group.

I have had this kind of thing happen to me in the past (many
times), and I am very fortunate to have a wife who loves pushing
these things through to the top and getting them resolved. She has
accomplished such feats as getting money back from PG&E (our local
Electric/Gas monopoly), letters from CEO's, personal phone calls
from high ranks state officials, etc.

Her technique is to keep a log, call everyday, and simply never
give up no matter how long it takes.

From day one she starts getting names, what day/time she called,
how long she was on the phone, how long she gets put on hold, how
long she waited to get through... everything. She does not scream,
does not yell, but like a pit-bull she never lets go, as she winds
her way up to the higher levels in the company, she will read off
names, dates, time, facts to the person on the phone. She will send
letters, including the current version of her log, and if enough
time passes, more and more outside people get copies. Newspapers,
News stations, Senators, etc. It is like a pit-bull latched onto
your ass who grows a few more teeth each day.

It is really quite effective let me tell you. She either finally
gets a hold of the right person who hearing her detailed list is
blown away and stops what they are doing to listen and help, or she
gets known in the company and starts to become a fire burning and
creating smoke, and eventually someone wants/needs/has to put out
the fire and get the pit-bull's 1,253,158 teeth out of their
managers managers managers ass.

Anyway just passing along a technique that has worked for her 100%.
I can tell you that the log is the key to all this, that alone will
accomplish much in the eyes of the monolithic corporations out
there. Facts speak louder than words.

BTW, she loves this stuff, so to her it is like a sport and in
sports she hates to lose. (She is a world champion at a specific
sport, it is a small sport so she is not famous, so that has
nothing to do with her results)

Dennis
 
All in all i think i have to agree with cust service..

I bought my d70 took it home looked in the box and saw that the view finder was cracked and the lens zoom was stiff, obvious impact damage.. I left for a trip that day and i was gone for 2 days. I took the camera back to the store and they said " well we opend the box to inspect the camera, but we diddnt drop it" They would not give money back or exchange it.. so they were obviously covering for one of their employees that was all excited to see a d70 and then dropped it and tried to pawn it off to me.

Sent it to nikon and they wanted to charge me 650 dollars to repair it. I fought with a manager for 2 weeks before he dropped the repair to 350 dollars. Saying "given the circumstances this is all we can do for you" An obvious inferrence to " you dropped your camera and we are tired of hearing you whine"

This was still obviously unacceptable..I called my bank to discuss any options.. Supposedly i could do a chargeback and nikon would be stcuk with no money and a broken camera.. I wrote an email to the manager i was speaking with in torence and explained what i was planning and somehow the next day i received an email that he would waive all the charges and have the camera back to me in less than a week.

A week later i received the body with no Lens!! So then i email him back and have the lens back in 3 more days. All in all i bought the camerea just to send it back and wait a month to take pictures...and have an extreme hassle just to get a working camera.
beyond disgusting!
Hopefully i have no more problems with the camera from here out
Nate
I've used Nikon camera's for the last 24 years.

I have owned or currently own the following:
Nikon F w/ motor
Nikon FA w/ motor
Nikon F3 w/ motor
Nikon FG w/ motor
Nikon EM w/ motor
2 D70s
SB-16
SB-E
55mm Macro
70-210mm
300mm
18-35mm
28-70mm
35-70
teleconverters
50mm
70-300 G and ED
18-70mm
28mm
35mm
85mm

One thing I've learned; the older the Nikon gear, the better the
quality.

NEEDLESS TO SAY, I"VE SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF $$$ WITH NIKON.

It used to be that Nikon were so far superior to Canon, Minolta,
etc in system and design, that Nikon really were the only way to
go.

However, I have the strongest urge today to sell everything and buy
a different brand.

My dealings with Nikon lately have been absolutely horrible. I
have needed to call tech support regarding issues with software,
cameras, and lenses. Telephone hold times have been over 30
minutes. In every case the tech support representative was
clueless and of zero help. I knew more about the product than the
Nikon tech rep in EVERY case. Each of the issues were related to
flaws in their products.

Secondly, I needed to send a lens in for repair. The service
person was unable to answer my questions at all, saying she just
was there to answer phones and had no technical knowledge.
However, she did promise that the repair process would take 7-10
days from the time they received the camera.

Sixteen day after they received teh package, I finally received a
letter from Nikon showing the wrong lens model and claiming a
repair price as expensive as the lens. If I declined the repair,
it would be ten days before they even sent the lens back to me!. I
called and the person in service was absolutely of no value in the
matter. This was after waiting on hold for 40 minutes. This meant
a promised repair of 7-10 days would actually take over a month.

My emails to Nikon are ALWAYS met with generic responses of no
value. The inaccuracy of the information they provide through tech
support a great deal of the time shows that their representatives
are not adequately trained.

Furthermore, they are delivering products to market with
significant flaws....something that didn't happen when Nikon was so
superior to the others. Now, Nikon is starting to become "just
another manufacturer". Cameras with focus issues, VR lenses with
malaligned elements, software glitches, focus errors in lenses...
the list is endless.

Nikon's customer service is so poor that they act as if they are
doing you a favor by "letting" you buy their products.

I'm extremely let down by this company. The simple fact is that
another big manufacturer is making products every bit as good, with
a very extensive sysytem offering, where warranties are offered
world wide, as well.

Please don't post a defense stating that this is a sign of the
times, or is Nikon's way of lowering costs etc. We know all that.
The problem is Nikon's management style and the way that they now
run their company. It is no longer a "quality above all else" firm.

Keep your eye on eBay, because I may be having a fire sale soon!
--
'Cause I can't wait to figure out what's wrong with me,
so I can say this is the way that I used to be.
Theres no substite for time'

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I suppose this kind of reply from Travis is what makes one feel no apathy towards anything bad that comes his way. Keep buying from Nikon and bitching, it lowers the prices for the rest of us! GO TRAVIS!

Thomas
You make a bunch of what if" statements" that are hypothetically
based on unproven assumptions... by yourself.. First, there are
many companies with good customer service that lead their fields in
pricing and in profits. Read Fortune's Most Admired survey that
comes out every February.

Second, it wouldn't add 50% to the cost. It is a corporate culture
and training issue that America's greatest companies realize is a
asset that is cheap to come by and pays huge dividends. It's a
mentality passed down from the top with little extra costs.

The cost to revamp a setup like Nikon's customer service would
never even come close to adding even 1% to the cost of the product.
It's nothing but poor management from the top down. It isn't that
they aren't spending enough money.
--
Working on a photo Hompage now!
 
Just my 2 cents, not really suggestion below for your problem
(which I am truly sorry to hear about) just passing along something
helpful to the group.

I have had this kind of thing happen to me in the past (many
times), and I am very fortunate to have a wife who loves pushing
these things through to the top and getting them resolved. She has
accomplished such feats as getting money back from PG&E (our local
Electric/Gas monopoly), letters from CEO's, personal phone calls
from high ranks state officials, etc.

Her technique is to keep a log, call everyday, and simply never
give up no matter how long it takes.

From day one she starts getting names, what day/time she called,
how long she was on the phone, how long she gets put on hold, how
long she waited to get through... everything. She does not scream,
does not yell, but like a pit-bull she never lets go, as she winds
her way up to the higher levels in the company, she will read off
names, dates, time, facts to the person on the phone. She will send
letters, including the current version of her log, and if enough
time passes, more and more outside people get copies. Newspapers,
News stations, Senators, etc. It is like a pit-bull latched onto
your ass who grows a few more teeth each day.

It is really quite effective let me tell you. She either finally
gets a hold of the right person who hearing her detailed list is
blown away and stops what they are doing to listen and help, or she
gets known in the company and starts to become a fire burning and
creating smoke, and eventually someone wants/needs/has to put out
the fire and get the pit-bull's 1,253,158 teeth out of their
managers managers managers ass.

Anyway just passing along a technique that has worked for her 100%.
I can tell you that the log is the key to all this, that alone will
accomplish much in the eyes of the monolithic corporations out
there. Facts speak louder than words.

BTW, she loves this stuff, so to her it is like a sport and in
sports she hates to lose. (She is a world champion at a specific
sport, it is a small sport so she is not famous, so that has
nothing to do with her results)

Dennis
 
While some Nikon products are better....it depends on which product. i do understand, however, that canon customer service is a bit better than Nikon all the way around.
 
Travis: Really sorry to hear of your Nikon problems. I've had 4 Nikon's, had problems with one of them, spoke with Tech Support, sent it to Torrance and received it back in a couple of weeks in perfect shape.

My D70 has been absolutely superb right out of the box.

Never had a problem with Nikon Tech Support. I don't know anything about you but there are many, many mean spirited people anymore that take it out on the messenger.

Don't think that Nikon is any better or any worse than most corporations today. Several years ago I bought a car built by the major US car company and it was not only a lemon but they didn't want to do anything about the problems until I went to the BBB. Now, I'd never buy a car from them, ever.

Yah gotta do what you've gotta do.

Gary
 
Because I will tell everyone my story, post it on my websites,
teach it to students, and not give Nikon any more money. Plus I've
now written letters directly to them with the same information
included.

Angry customer issues that go unresolved are a sign of a company
that long-term will head downhill.
Why waste your time if you have decided to go with another brand?
 
It will influence undecided buyers, and that is what hurts Nikon sales. This is the only way they will change their behavior. The Internet is not as easy to control as the press. Websites as this one have much more passive traffic as you might think.

" Based on wht you said, I doubt Nikon will be reading this either so
it's a moot point about complaining."
****************************************
I've used Nikon camera's for the last 24 years.

I have owned or currently own the following:
Nikon F w/ motor
Nikon FA w/ motor
Nikon F3 w/ motor
Nikon FG w/ motor
Nikon EM w/ motor
2 D70s
SB-16
SB-E
55mm Macro
70-210mm
300mm
18-35mm
28-70mm
35-70
teleconverters
50mm
70-300 G and ED
18-70mm
28mm
35mm
85mm

One thing I've learned; the older the Nikon gear, the better the
quality.

NEEDLESS TO SAY, I"VE SPENT A FAIR AMOUNT OF $$$ WITH NIKON.

It used to be that Nikon were so far superior to Canon, Minolta,
etc in system and design, that Nikon really were the only way to
go.

However, I have the strongest urge today to sell everything and buy
a different brand.

My dealings with Nikon lately have been absolutely horrible. I
have needed to call tech support regarding issues with software,
cameras, and lenses. Telephone hold times have been over 30
minutes. In every case the tech support representative was
clueless and of zero help. I knew more about the product than the
Nikon tech rep in EVERY case. Each of the issues were related to
flaws in their products.

Secondly, I needed to send a lens in for repair. The service
person was unable to answer my questions at all, saying she just
was there to answer phones and had no technical knowledge.
However, she did promise that the repair process would take 7-10
days from the time they received the camera.

Sixteen day after they received teh package, I finally received a
letter from Nikon showing the wrong lens model and claiming a
repair price as expensive as the lens. If I declined the repair,
it would be ten days before they even sent the lens back to me!. I
called and the person in service was absolutely of no value in the
matter. This was after waiting on hold for 40 minutes. This meant
a promised repair of 7-10 days would actually take over a month.

My emails to Nikon are ALWAYS met with generic responses of no
value. The inaccuracy of the information they provide through tech
support a great deal of the time shows that their representatives
are not adequately trained.

Furthermore, they are delivering products to market with
significant flaws....something that didn't happen when Nikon was so
superior to the others. Now, Nikon is starting to become "just
another manufacturer". Cameras with focus issues, VR lenses with
malaligned elements, software glitches, focus errors in lenses...
the list is endless.

Nikon's customer service is so poor that they act as if they are
doing you a favor by "letting" you buy their products.

I'm extremely let down by this company. The simple fact is that
another big manufacturer is making products every bit as good, with
a very extensive sysytem offering, where warranties are offered
world wide, as well.
Thanks for sharing that with us. Do you feel better now?

Based on wht you said, I doubt Nikon will be reading this either so
it's a moot point about complaining.

My recommendation is to write this letter to the very highest level
within Nikon.

If enough of us do this, maybe, just maybe, they will wake up
before it's too late to really compete.
Jim
Please don't post a defense stating that this is a sign of the
times, or is Nikon's way of lowering costs etc. We know all that.
The problem is Nikon's management style and the way that they now
run their company. It is no longer a "quality above all else" firm.

Keep your eye on eBay, because I may be having a fire sale soon!
--
http://www.pbase.com/JungleJim
 
... was quite different. Had a lens problem. Called Nikon to determine the proper course of action. Got a pleasant person on the line quickly who gave me the answers I needed. Sent the camera in for repair. Called after a couple weeks for status. Got a pleasant person on the line quickly who gave me the answers I needed. Received the lens, problem fixed.

All other Nikon products I own have met or exceeded my expectations with no problems. And I'm not a brand loyalist - I own or have owned camera gear from Canon, Minolta, Olympus, Kodak and Mamiya.

Just lucky, I guess.

--
http://www.pbase.com/gzillgi
 
I can say that the only Canon product that I owned that was superior to its Nikon counterpart was the 24-70mm f/2.8 lens. But I've replaced it (almost) with superior Nikon primes.

Granted, Canon makes some high-end cameras, but they're WAY out of my price range. I prefer to invest in glass rather than into disposable digital bodies. Today 1Ds is $7K, tomorrow it's $2K and nobody wants to buy it.

Nikon seems to take a little longer to develop a product, but once they do it blows everything else out of the water.

Oh, and Canon software SUCKS REAL BAD. I just don't have words to describe just how bad it is, it's embarrassing. Nikon software while not perfect is A LOT better than what Canon finds acceptable to ship with their cameras.
 
What did expect when u started a thread like this in the D70 forum, seems to me ur a very emitional man that take things a tad personal. If u dont like the Nikon customer service, thats fine, now move on. No need to cry about it.

Best of luck on ur quest for the Flawless customer service.

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"

Best
--
Regards
Paul L.

 
...I guess if you buy something, you both have to convince yourself that EVERYTHING about it is perfect or you don't feel justified in the purchase. Of course you wouldn't want to realize that maybe you could have done better....

If you feel that Nikon products are close to perfect or that their customer service is exactly at the level they need to be, you are nothing more than an ostrich with its head in the sand.

You can still like the product overall while being objective about its shortcomings.

The OBJECTIVE facts are that Nikon products have lowered in quality control, are no longer as superior as they once were, and that their customer service in the USA is terrible.

Their competitors are doing much better than in the "old" days.

You don't need to take it as a personal insult that you may have bought a product from a company that has gone downhill somwhat.
 
...of the people who loved Nikon until lately....but I still like them...just not as much.

They have good products, except for an increase in the last few years of quality control problems with some of their line.. As long as you don't need them to do anything helpful for you, I've found they are great. As long as I don't need to speak with anyone knowledgeable about the product, their tech support is great. As long as I don't need someone to do what they say they will, they're great.

Come to think of it, I think I'll blow another couple grand so I can deal with them some more.

Please everyone (before your panties all get in a wad), understand that I still love some of their latest products. Also, understand that I don't care about the fact that many companies are going downhill. What I do care about is integrity. Integrity is something that is really lowering at Nikon.
 
was it under warranty? If so, why did it fail that early. The web is full of stories of defective 70-210s, D70s, and so on. These reports, even if they are unrelated to your specific situation must have some validity.
 
I think a lot of posters are put off by your ATTITUDE. Not the fact that your complaining about Nikon, but the fact that your bitching and that you're just gunning down anyone who disagrees with you.

This comes from a guy who agrees with you that customer service should be taken seriously, BUT seriously , Travis: lighten up! You've made your point, there's no need to attack any poster who makes a different point - making attacks on posters here won't do any good for bettering Nikon's service. Peace, bra...

Thomas.
...I guess if you buy something, you both have to convince yourself
that EVERYTHING about it is perfect or you don't feel justified in
the purchase. Of course you wouldn't want to realize that maybe
you could have done better....

If you feel that Nikon products are close to perfect or that their
customer service is exactly at the level they need to be, you are
nothing more than an ostrich with its head in the sand.

You can still like the product overall while being objective about
its shortcomings.

The OBJECTIVE facts are that Nikon products have lowered in quality
control, are no longer as superior as they once were, and that
their customer service in the USA is terrible.

Their competitors are doing much better than in the "old" days.

You don't need to take it as a personal insult that you may have
bought a product from a company that has gone downhill somwhat.
 

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