3 Strikes I'm Done

nahau · Mar 20, 2001

FF,

I really can't tell if this is caused by the upgrade or not...it's just that I never experienced this before I upgraded the firmware...

1) Sometimes all the data on the LCD disappears when I switch between modes. Say, from Auto to P, to TV or whatever. The LCD display is blank except for the subject. It looks nice and clean, but I would rather much see the data. So what I have to do then is momentarily switch between modes again so I can see the data.

2) Sometimes, (in auto modes P, AV TV whatever) my 420EX flash fires full power on one shot, then fine on the next eventhough I don't change any of the camera settings or the subject. It's as if the E-ttl gets lost. I had posted this once before, and Curby mentioned that maybe the 420 batteries needed recharging...and Bryan mentioned that may the flash needed to be reseated. Well, putting in fresh batteries didn't help, and cleaning the hotshoe and 420 contacts then reseating the flash didn't help either.

These are the "quirks" I have seen after the upgrade and like I said I don't remember these things happening before. Believe me when I say, this camera was excersized fully with at least 800 shots before the upgrade and so I would think I would have noticed these things happening before the upgrade. I am thinking of writing to Canon explaining the situation and seeing if they will make available the old firmware on-line. Don't know what they'll say...but worth a try.
nahau

Forbidden Fruit said:
What are the quirks your are encountering

Forbidden Fruit said:

firmware upgrade

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nahau said:

Mike K said:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=829524&query=QC

SteveB said:

Yes, it is funny that Sony makes all these sensors. If I were in
charge of Canon's Vendor QC department I'd slap Sony with an ISO
9001 audit. There is always the suspicion that Sony keeps the
"good" ones for themselves and sells the "B" quality chips to
competitors. Who knows? Canon has an excellent reputation for
quality and I doubt if they want their image tarnished by this.
The G1 is an outstanding camera, and it doesn't need these kinds of
nagging problems.

SteveB

Nadim said:

I had mine now shipped to the Canon Factory Store for exchanging
the CCD (or mapping the stuck pixel out).

Don't know who to believe anymore, isn't it ?

Good luck with Sony, keep us updated, you never know,
nadim

Pete said:

Pete said:

The last camera I returned tonight. I got this camera today I took
pictures
in the store,We had a problem loading the software on their PC
so I took it home and downloaded the pictures to my PC.
I saved it to a disk and took it back.

Canon can keep it!

ERIC F said:

My Question is- Were the hot spots something that showed up on
regular pictures (print or screen) or did you have to do the
extreme tests to make them apparent?

Hope you have better luck with the Sony!

ERIC F.

Pete said:

I have returned 3 G1 cameras in one week, for hot spots in the image.
The store Tech and I went over each one he could not believe it.
Needless to say I don't think they will be recommending the G1 to
anyone.
But they were very excited about the new Sony cameras that are coming
Out.

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Peter34107 · Mar 20, 2001

Nahau

If Sony had a camera with the features of the G1 I would buy it.
Not that I prefer Sony, It really makes no difference who makes it.

If I didn't like the G1 so much I wouldn't be here venting.

I did not call anybody an idiot or even think it.
I do think people spent allot of money on a camera
That is developing problems and now their stuck with it.

So let Canon get a free ride by saying other manufactures have problems
To.

If you don't like what I have to say don't read it, but potential buyers
Should no what their getting into.
The Good and the Bad

nahau said:
Pete said:

I have been reading the threads for 2 mounths and Canon problems
stick out like a sore thumb. Some call it a bad batch.
I don't think this is the case.

I feel bad for all the G1 owners who bought on line,it has got to be
a pain sending the camera in for days or weeks at a time.

I think the Government needs to get involved with this, and for all
the G1 people who say don't blame Canon, if their was a class action
lawsuite You people would be the first to sign up for it.

nahau said:

Mike K said:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=829524&query=QC

SteveB said:

Yes, it is funny that Sony makes all these sensors. If I were in
charge of Canon's Vendor QC department I'd slap Sony with an ISO
9001 audit. There is always the suspicion that Sony keeps the
"good" ones for themselves and sells the "B" quality chips to
competitors. Who knows? Canon has an excellent reputation for
quality and I doubt if they want their image tarnished by this.
The G1 is an outstanding camera, and it doesn't need these kinds of
nagging problems.

SteveB

Nadim said:

I had mine now shipped to the Canon Factory Store for exchanging
the CCD (or mapping the stuck pixel out).

Don't know who to believe anymore, isn't it ?

Good luck with Sony, keep us updated, you never know,
nadim

Pete said:

Pete said:

The last camera I returned tonight. I got this camera today I took
pictures
in the store,We had a problem loading the software on their PC
so I took it home and downloaded the pictures to my PC.
I saved it to a disk and took it back.

Canon can keep it!

ERIC F said:

My Question is- Were the hot spots something that showed up on
regular pictures (print or screen) or did you have to do the
extreme tests to make them apparent?

Hope you have better luck with the Sony!

ERIC F.

Pete said:

I have returned 3 G1 cameras in one week, for hot spots in the image.
The store Tech and I went over each one he could not believe it.
Needless to say I don't think they will be recommending the G1 to
anyone.
But they were very excited about the new Sony cameras that are coming
Out.

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nahau · Mar 20, 2001

Peter34107 said:
Pete wrote:
Nahau

If Sony had a camera with the features of the G1 I would buy it.
Not that I prefer Sony, It really makes no difference who makes it.

Agreed. I didn't buy the G1 "because" it was made by Canon.

Peter34107 said:
If I didn't like the G1 so much I wouldn't be here venting.

Fully understood. But you're doing a pretty darned good job of condeming it for a guy how likes it. (??)

Peter34107 said:
I did not call anybody an idiot or even think it.

Maybe I just felt you "implied it" when you referred to "You people"

Peter34107 said:
I do think people spent allot of money on a camera
That is developing problems and now their stuck with it.

You should hear my story about my JVC camcorder. You think you have problems...of course not to say my problems are any more real!!

Peter34107 said:
So let Canon get a free ride by saying other manufactures have
problems
To.

This is nonsense! All you have to do is look around your house. I am sure you will find items that are "not" perfectly perfect, in your eyes. Does this mean that "you" are giving that manufacture a "free ride"? No one is giving anyone a "free ride". It's just reality! We here are small-frys here...do you think all the bitchin by all these forums put a single dent in the fact the HP900 and 1000 series printers leave roller marks on portraits! Get real, Pete. The only real power you have is returning the camera before your time runs out. After that, you're on you own...just like everybody else. "All" manufactures I have experience with don't much care about you unless it means more money for them...(just my opinion)

Peter34107 said:
If you don't like what I have to say don't read it, but potential
buyers
Should no what their getting into.
The Good and the Bad

I have no problem with what you're saying. But I don't believe that "your" experience is "typical" of what potential owners can expect from the G1. Sure there are problems with Canon, but be fair, do a little more investigating about other manufactures too before condeming them.

If you really need "proof" that Canon is not alone in QC problems, I can link you to some!
nahau

Peter34107 said:
nahau said:

Pete said:

I have been reading the threads for 2 mounths and Canon problems
stick out like a sore thumb. Some call it a bad batch.
I don't think this is the case.

I feel bad for all the G1 owners who bought on line,it has got to be
a pain sending the camera in for days or weeks at a time.

I think the Government needs to get involved with this, and for all
the G1 people who say don't blame Canon, if their was a class action
lawsuite You people would be the first to sign up for it.

nahau said:

Mike K said:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=829524&query=QC

SteveB said:

Yes, it is funny that Sony makes all these sensors. If I were in
charge of Canon's Vendor QC department I'd slap Sony with an ISO
9001 audit. There is always the suspicion that Sony keeps the
"good" ones for themselves and sells the "B" quality chips to
competitors. Who knows? Canon has an excellent reputation for
quality and I doubt if they want their image tarnished by this.
The G1 is an outstanding camera, and it doesn't need these kinds of
nagging problems.

SteveB

Nadim said:

I had mine now shipped to the Canon Factory Store for exchanging
the CCD (or mapping the stuck pixel out).

Don't know who to believe anymore, isn't it ?

Good luck with Sony, keep us updated, you never know,
nadim

Pete said:

Pete said:

The last camera I returned tonight. I got this camera today I took
pictures
in the store,We had a problem loading the software on their PC
so I took it home and downloaded the pictures to my PC.
I saved it to a disk and took it back.

Canon can keep it!

ERIC F said:

My Question is- Were the hot spots something that showed up on
regular pictures (print or screen) or did you have to do the
extreme tests to make them apparent?

Hope you have better luck with the Sony!

ERIC F.

Pete said:

I have returned 3 G1 cameras in one week, for hot spots in the image.
The store Tech and I went over each one he could not believe it.
Needless to say I don't think they will be recommending the G1 to
anyone.
But they were very excited about the new Sony cameras that are coming
Out.

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Peter34107 · Mar 20, 2001

Nahau

I do think we make a difference by what we post, when a young
Man gets arrested for posting lies about a company and sends it's
Stock tumbling. That is very real.

Believe me I would rather be sharing pictures here with you good people
Than complaining about Canon.

I am not naive I understand that no company is perfect but most will
Admit when there is a problem and put out a fix.

Ford did not admit they had a problem with 3.8 L head gaskets until
People complained about it as a Tech I knew for years.
My point is this why would a manufacture fix a problem if nobody complains
About it.

Nahau I try to buy things that will last, I don't have to have the latest and greatest, I could never afford it so I try to buy good quality products that
Might cost a little more but will last.

I gotta go
You are wearing me down I can't keep my eyes open but
I feel a little better Doctor

Thanks for listing

nahau said:
nahau said:

Pete wrote:
Nahau

If Sony had a camera with the features of the G1 I would buy it.
Not that I prefer Sony, It really makes no difference who makes it.

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Agreed. I didn't buy the G1 "because" it was made by Canon.

nahau said:

If I didn't like the G1 so much I wouldn't be here venting.

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Fully understood. But you're doing a pretty darned good job of
condeming it for a guy how likes it. (??)

nahau said:

I did not call anybody an idiot or even think it.

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Maybe I just felt you "implied it" when you referred to "You people"

nahau said:

I do think people spent allot of money on a camera
That is developing problems and now their stuck with it.

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You should hear my story about my JVC camcorder. You think you
have problems...of course not to say my problems are any more real!!

nahau said:

So let Canon get a free ride by saying other manufactures have
problems
To.

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This is nonsense! All you have to do is look around your house. I
am sure you will find items that are "not" perfectly perfect, in
your eyes. Does this mean that "you" are giving that manufacture a
"free ride"? No one is giving anyone a "free ride". It's just
reality! We here are small-frys here...do you think all the
bitchin by all these forums put a single dent in the fact the HP900
and 1000 series printers leave roller marks on portraits! Get
real, Pete. The only real power you have is returning the camera
before your time runs out. After that, you're on you own...just
like everybody else. "All" manufactures I have experience with
don't much care about you unless it means more money for
them...(just my opinion)

nahau said:

If you don't like what I have to say don't read it, but potential
buyers
Should no what their getting into.
The Good and the Bad

Click to expand...

I have no problem with what you're saying. But I don't believe
that "your" experience is "typical" of what potential owners can
expect from the G1. Sure there are problems with Canon, but be
fair, do a little more investigating about other manufactures too
before condeming them.

If you really need "proof" that Canon is not alone in QC problems,
I can link you to some!
nahau

nahau said:

nahau said:

Pete said:

I have been reading the threads for 2 mounths and Canon problems
stick out like a sore thumb. Some call it a bad batch.
I don't think this is the case.

I feel bad for all the G1 owners who bought on line,it has got to be
a pain sending the camera in for days or weeks at a time.

I think the Government needs to get involved with this, and for all
the G1 people who say don't blame Canon, if their was a class action
lawsuite You people would be the first to sign up for it.

nahau said:

Mike K said:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=829524&query=QC

SteveB said:

Yes, it is funny that Sony makes all these sensors. If I were in
charge of Canon's Vendor QC department I'd slap Sony with an ISO
9001 audit. There is always the suspicion that Sony keeps the
"good" ones for themselves and sells the "B" quality chips to
competitors. Who knows? Canon has an excellent reputation for
quality and I doubt if they want their image tarnished by this.
The G1 is an outstanding camera, and it doesn't need these kinds of
nagging problems.

SteveB

Nadim said:

I had mine now shipped to the Canon Factory Store for exchanging
the CCD (or mapping the stuck pixel out).

Don't know who to believe anymore, isn't it ?

Good luck with Sony, keep us updated, you never know,
nadim

Pete said:

Pete said:

The last camera I returned tonight. I got this camera today I took
pictures
in the store,We had a problem loading the software on their PC
so I took it home and downloaded the pictures to my PC.
I saved it to a disk and took it back.

Canon can keep it!

ERIC F said:

My Question is- Were the hot spots something that showed up on
regular pictures (print or screen) or did you have to do the
extreme tests to make them apparent?

Hope you have better luck with the Sony!

ERIC F.

Pete said:

I have returned 3 G1 cameras in one week, for hot spots in the image.
The store Tech and I went over each one he could not believe it.
Needless to say I don't think they will be recommending the G1 to
anyone.
But they were very excited about the new Sony cameras that are coming
Out.

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nahau · Mar 20, 2001

Pete,

I must apologize for running off on you. I have been in photography for over 25 years. Starting with instamatics, polaroids, up to 35mm APS, then to 35mm SLRs, back to 35mm APS...and now digital. I have seen nothing in film that I wish to go back to. Digital photography is the way of the future and because it is "relatively young", it must go through all the pains of becoming a stable medium. So it is with the manufactures of all digital cameras as they too are in a learning stage. That is my view, and is probably why I can more readily accept that there will be flaws with this medium. I have never experienced more lattitude with any other format than what digital offers, thus I guess I am more willing to let things slide in the early stage. It will probably be beyond my lifetime that digital CCDs become something that is not possible today..."defect free".

In any case, I too would rather be talking about the finer points of photography with you than conflicts of opinion. I cannot wear your shoes on your issues with Canon....and you cannot wear mine.

If you do plan to keep on trying to get a good G1, I wish you the best. If you are unsuccessful, then whatever you do choose to go with, I still wish you the best. Sincerely... Good luck, Pete.
regards..nahau

SteveB · Mar 21, 2001

Hi Pete,

I understand your frustrations. When you spend this much money on a product, you expect it to be perfect. I know I do! I bought the G1 as a compromise between keeping my 2 MP digicam until I could afford something like the Oly E10 or the Canon G30, or having something of that image quality level immediately. The G1 without a doubt has the best feature set and "useability" of any non-slr digicam , along with excellent overall image quality. I, too, am disappointed by the stuck pixel issue; but in the overall scheme of things Canon is no different from any other company in this regard. The difference is in how they respond to the issue.

My camera is in transit to their service center in Illinois as I write this. IMO this is a better approach than just returning a camera to the dealer. If enough units go directly back to the manufacturer, someone will begin to take notice. Who knows what happens to cameras that get returned to a dealer? For all anyone knows, maybe they are just repackaged and resold unless they are obviously broken. I'd wager that most consumers wouldn't know what a stuck pixel was unless it hit them in the face!

I'll reserve my condemnation of Canon until I see what happens with my camera. If they fix the problem, I'll continue to respect them as one of the premier photographic equipment manufacturers on the planet. If they don't fix it, then I will be asking the same hard questions that you have been.

SteveB

Pete said:
I just want a camera that works well, something I can grow into.
I am willing to spend full retail.
What more does a company want.

I thought with all the features of the G1 it would be the perfect
camera
and I think it could be if it were not for the red spots on the
pictures.

I bought extra memory and a card reader and was ready to order the
lens mate and sun pack.

I am just ticked off that I can't get the camera I want without the
flaws.

Ed Shropshire said:

Sorry for your trouble, but prove to me that you will not find the
same problem with Sony cameras. Do we know what the tollerance
level is in consumer digi cams for hot pixels? My guess is that
all companies only check for a big issues on hot pixels. If you
asked 95%+ of all digicam owners they would not even know what you
are talking about.

I am not saying that this is not a problem and the you should keep
a camera with hot pixels. But the more complex the camera,
generally the more complex the users and you will see this more
often. I will say as a current owner of a very expensive Sony
digicam (D700 bought two years ago) to claim Sony is good at QC is
a joke. Almost none of these cameras shipped could not do manual
focus. The firmware is not upgradable. And many owners had tons
of other horror stories. Then try and get an answer from Sony. I
hope they are better, but my experience is that the phrase Sony
Customer support is an oxymorn.

Ed

Pete said:

I'll drop it when I am ready!

I had to take time out of my day to return a camera
3 TIMES because Canon is trying to pass off defective electronics
on consumers, people need to be warned.

I work hard for my money, and I will not let some company CANON
Hustle me out of it.

We have laws in the US because of companys like Canon

CRT_Leech said:

Pete said:

Nahau

I have been reading the threads for 2 mounths and Canon problems
stick out like a sore thumb. Some call it a bad batch.
I don't think this is the case.

I feel bad for all the G1 owners who bought on line,it has got to be
a pain sending the camera in for days or weeks at a time.

I think the Government needs to get involved with this, and for all
the G1 people who say don't blame Canon, if their was a class action
lawsuite You people would be the first to sign up for it.

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You've said your say, why don't you drop it. Obviously, you seem to
be a Sony lover, becuase you'd have to be one if you even consider
purchasing a camera with proprietory memory devices.

You are not going to find a Sony that has all the features of the
G1, period.

All consumer electronics compnanies are having quality control
issues. The more complex these things become, the more chance of
something not making it out of the factory working correctly. There
was an article written for a major newspaper and posted on
MSNBC.com recently talking about all the electronic gadget failures
of the last couple of years, how gadgets sent out to reviewers
don't even work half the time.

So, it isn't just Canon. Everyone is having these issues. It only
makes sense that if you had a camera from a bad batch, purchasing
more of the same model from the same store, the odds are pretty
good that you'll get more from the same batch.

So, if you were interested enough to buy the G1 in the first place,
I would try again, but at a different store. If you have your own
memory card and a card reader at home (almost a must for digicam
hunters!), then I would try out G1's in different stores until you
find one that works like you like.

If you don't mind the lack of features and proprietory memory of
the Sony, then by all means, buy one and enjoy.

Have a good one,
CRT_Leech

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Peter34107 · Mar 21, 2001

Nahau

Thank you and everyone else here.

I must also thank Phil for giving us a place to exchange ideas
and vent are frustrations.

Regards
Pete

nahau said:
Pete,
I must apologize for running off on you. I have been in
photography for over 25 years. Starting with instamatics,
polaroids, up to 35mm APS, then to 35mm SLRs, back to 35mm
APS...and now digital. I have seen nothing in film that I wish to
go back to. Digital photography is the way of the future and
because it is "relatively young", it must go through all the pains
of becoming a stable medium. So it is with the manufactures of all
digital cameras as they too are in a learning stage. That is my
view, and is probably why I can more readily accept that there will
be flaws with this medium. I have never experienced more lattitude
with any other format than what digital offers, thus I guess I am
more willing to let things slide in the early stage. It will
probably be beyond my lifetime that digital CCDs become something
that is not possible today..."defect free".
In any case, I too would rather be talking about the finer points
of photography with you than conflicts of opinion. I cannot wear
your shoes on your issues with Canon....and you cannot wear mine.
If you do plan to keep on trying to get a good G1, I wish you the
best. If you are unsuccessful, then whatever you do choose to go
with, I still wish you the best. Sincerely... Good luck, Pete.
regards..nahau

.Sam. · Mar 21, 2001

Nahau,

let it be man ;-)

I've read thousands of posts on the investment/stocks forums, and I can spot a "professional" from miles away.
good grammar and "obvious" misspellings !! ;-)

but why? very interesting!

.sam. (waiting for my pro90)

Peter34107 · Mar 21, 2001

Sam

What the heck are You talking about?

Sam said:
Nahau,

let it be man ;-)
I've read thousands of posts on the investment/stocks forums, and I
can spot a "professional" from miles away.
good grammar and "obvious" misspellings !! ;-)

but why? very interesting!

.sam. (waiting for my pro90)

karl #39820 · Mar 21, 2001

Pete:

I agree with your posts about the G-1. I too returned my G-1 for performance reasons. Having owned this camera I can attest to the fact that it is a product born out of a good idea but poorly executed. But don't expect the dolts on the Canon board to agree. They are heavily vested into this G-1 thing. That's fine except they fail to appreciate the criticism which is rightly due this flawed product. Instead they seem to take it personally and attack anyone who disagrees with them.
F 'em. Right?

nahau said:
nahau said:

Pete wrote:
Nahau

If Sony had a camera with the features of the G1 I would buy it.
Not that I prefer Sony, It really makes no difference who makes it.

Click to expand...

Agreed. I didn't buy the G1 "because" it was made by Canon.

nahau said:

If I didn't like the G1 so much I wouldn't be here venting.

Click to expand...

Fully understood. But you're doing a pretty darned good job of
condeming it for a guy how likes it. (??)

nahau said:

I did not call anybody an idiot or even think it.

Click to expand...

Maybe I just felt you "implied it" when you referred to "You people"

nahau said:

I do think people spent allot of money on a camera
That is developing problems and now their stuck with it.

Click to expand...

You should hear my story about my JVC camcorder. You think you
have problems...of course not to say my problems are any more real!!

nahau said:

So let Canon get a free ride by saying other manufactures have
problems
To.

Click to expand...

This is nonsense! All you have to do is look around your house. I
am sure you will find items that are "not" perfectly perfect, in
your eyes. Does this mean that "you" are giving that manufacture a
"free ride"? No one is giving anyone a "free ride". It's just
reality! We here are small-frys here...do you think all the
bitchin by all these forums put a single dent in the fact the HP900
and 1000 series printers leave roller marks on portraits! Get
real, Pete. The only real power you have is returning the camera
before your time runs out. After that, you're on you own...just
like everybody else. "All" manufactures I have experience with
don't much care about you unless it means more money for
them...(just my opinion)

nahau said:

If you don't like what I have to say don't read it, but potential
buyers
Should no what their getting into.
The Good and the Bad

Click to expand...

I have no problem with what you're saying. But I don't believe
that "your" experience is "typical" of what potential owners can
expect from the G1. Sure there are problems with Canon, but be
fair, do a little more investigating about other manufactures too
before condeming them.

If you really need "proof" that Canon is not alone in QC problems,
I can link you to some!
nahau

nahau said:

nahau said:

Pete said:

I have been reading the threads for 2 mounths and Canon problems
stick out like a sore thumb. Some call it a bad batch.
I don't think this is the case.

I feel bad for all the G1 owners who bought on line,it has got to be
a pain sending the camera in for days or weeks at a time.

I think the Government needs to get involved with this, and for all
the G1 people who say don't blame Canon, if their was a class action
lawsuite You people would be the first to sign up for it.

nahau said:

Mike K said:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=829524&query=QC

SteveB said:

Yes, it is funny that Sony makes all these sensors. If I were in
charge of Canon's Vendor QC department I'd slap Sony with an ISO
9001 audit. There is always the suspicion that Sony keeps the
"good" ones for themselves and sells the "B" quality chips to
competitors. Who knows? Canon has an excellent reputation for
quality and I doubt if they want their image tarnished by this.
The G1 is an outstanding camera, and it doesn't need these kinds of
nagging problems.

SteveB

Nadim said:

I had mine now shipped to the Canon Factory Store for exchanging
the CCD (or mapping the stuck pixel out).

Don't know who to believe anymore, isn't it ?

Good luck with Sony, keep us updated, you never know,
nadim

Pete said:

Pete said:

The last camera I returned tonight. I got this camera today I took
pictures
in the store,We had a problem loading the software on their PC
so I took it home and downloaded the pictures to my PC.
I saved it to a disk and took it back.

Canon can keep it!

ERIC F said:

My Question is- Were the hot spots something that showed up on
regular pictures (print or screen) or did you have to do the
extreme tests to make them apparent?

Hope you have better luck with the Sony!

ERIC F.

Pete said:

I have returned 3 G1 cameras in one week, for hot spots in the image.
The store Tech and I went over each one he could not believe it.
Needless to say I don't think they will be recommending the G1 to
anyone.
But they were very excited about the new Sony cameras that are coming
Out.

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nahau · Mar 21, 2001

karl said:
Pete:
I agree with your posts about the G-1. I too returned my G-1 for
performance reasons. Having owned this camera I can attest to the
fact that it is a product born out of a good idea but poorly
executed. But don't expect the dolts on the Canon board to agree.
They are heavily vested into this G-1 thing. That's fine except
they fail to appreciate the criticism which is rightly due this
flawed product. Instead they seem to take it personally and attack
anyone who disagrees with them.
F 'em. Right?

You know speaking about "dolts", it's funny that every post with this same "penchant" attitude (now where did I hear that term "penchant" used before?) seems to come from a user of AOL. I remember!! I think it was from a guy posing as "aol", no maybe it was from "regis", or "Go home Hillary", or was it "NEAL". Hmmmm, it seems all these dolts seem to use AOL! Coincidence perhaps!! I guess you can run, but you cannot hide..."Karl"! You know, AOL has a limit on screen names...of couse, if you take the time to change them constantly...you could go on forever!!! BTW, how is your son doing with his digital HP?? Is he teaching you?? Are you learning?? LOL!!
nahau

Peter34107 · Mar 21, 2001

Karl

Besides someone named Sam accusing me of being a day trader
And a bad speller, everyone else has been more than civil.
I have taken some great shots with the G1 and I might try
Again for another one. My beef is with Canon QC not the design
Of the camera. I have a beautiful picture of my wife and son
On our entertainment center from a G1 and Hp 930 series printer.

If Canon improves QC of the G1 I think it will be a contender
For some time.

I agree it might have been rushed which could explain the QC
Problem.

I am not a Pro I have no plans on selling photos so the debate
on a little softer or sharper don't mean all that much to me.

The first couple of hours with the camera were a bit over whelming
So the first thing I did was come here, then hit Pekka site where
I was able to look at the type of action in his pictures and then his
Settings, I was able to pick up on it rather quick.

If not for the hot pixel that showed up in every shot I would
Not be here in this thread.

karl said:
nahau said:

karl #39820 said:

Pete wrote:
Nahau

If Sony had a camera with the features of the G1 I would buy it.
Not that I prefer Sony, It really makes no difference who makes it.

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Agreed. I didn't buy the G1 "because" it was made by Canon.

karl #39820 said:

If I didn't like the G1 so much I wouldn't be here venting.

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Fully understood. But you're doing a pretty darned good job of
condeming it for a guy how likes it. (??)

karl #39820 said:

I did not call anybody an idiot or even think it.

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Maybe I just felt you "implied it" when you referred to "You people"

karl #39820 said:

I do think people spent allot of money on a camera
That is developing problems and now their stuck with it.

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You should hear my story about my JVC camcorder. You think you
have problems...of course not to say my problems are any more real!!

karl #39820 said:

So let Canon get a free ride by saying other manufactures have
problems
To.

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This is nonsense! All you have to do is look around your house. I
am sure you will find items that are "not" perfectly perfect, in
your eyes. Does this mean that "you" are giving that manufacture a
"free ride"? No one is giving anyone a "free ride". It's just
reality! We here are small-frys here...do you think all the
bitchin by all these forums put a single dent in the fact the HP900
and 1000 series printers leave roller marks on portraits! Get
real, Pete. The only real power you have is returning the camera
before your time runs out. After that, you're on you own...just
like everybody else. "All" manufactures I have experience with
don't much care about you unless it means more money for
them...(just my opinion)

karl #39820 said:

If you don't like what I have to say don't read it, but potential
buyers
Should no what their getting into.
The Good and the Bad

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I have no problem with what you're saying. But I don't believe
that "your" experience is "typical" of what potential owners can
expect from the G1. Sure there are problems with Canon, but be
fair, do a little more investigating about other manufactures too
before condeming them.

If you really need "proof" that Canon is not alone in QC problems,
I can link you to some!
nahau

karl #39820 said:

nahau said:

Pete said:

I have been reading the threads for 2 mounths and Canon problems
stick out like a sore thumb. Some call it a bad batch.
I don't think this is the case.

I feel bad for all the G1 owners who bought on line,it has got to be
a pain sending the camera in for days or weeks at a time.

I think the Government needs to get involved with this, and for all
the G1 people who say don't blame Canon, if their was a class action
lawsuite You people would be the first to sign up for it.

nahau said:

Mike K said:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1010&message=829524&query=QC

SteveB said:

Yes, it is funny that Sony makes all these sensors. If I were in
charge of Canon's Vendor QC department I'd slap Sony with an ISO
9001 audit. There is always the suspicion that Sony keeps the
"good" ones for themselves and sells the "B" quality chips to
competitors. Who knows? Canon has an excellent reputation for
quality and I doubt if they want their image tarnished by this.
The G1 is an outstanding camera, and it doesn't need these kinds of
nagging problems.

SteveB

Nadim said:

I had mine now shipped to the Canon Factory Store for exchanging
the CCD (or mapping the stuck pixel out).

Don't know who to believe anymore, isn't it ?

Good luck with Sony, keep us updated, you never know,
nadim

Pete said:

Pete said:

The last camera I returned tonight. I got this camera today I took
pictures
in the store,We had a problem loading the software on their PC
so I took it home and downloaded the pictures to my PC.
I saved it to a disk and took it back.

Canon can keep it!

ERIC F said:

My Question is- Were the hot spots something that showed up on
regular pictures (print or screen) or did you have to do the
extreme tests to make them apparent?

Hope you have better luck with the Sony!

ERIC F.

Pete said:

I have returned 3 G1 cameras in one week, for hot spots in the image.
The store Tech and I went over each one he could not believe it.
Needless to say I don't think they will be recommending the G1 to
anyone.
But they were very excited about the new Sony cameras that are coming
Out.

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Ulysses · Mar 21, 2001

Hi there, Pete -

I've been following this thread with some interest. I feel sorry for the plight that you find yourself in. It looks like you've found at least some equilibrium in this thread as it becomes obvious who tries to help you out and who simply wants to argue. You've gotten some excellent advice in this growing thread.

While I've followed the good and the bad on the G1, I haven't seen quite the same type of complaints about the Pro90. Maybe because it's simply newer and not as widely available just yet. Have you considered this camera as a possibility, as its images seem on a par with the G1. If you don't mind the slightly lower pixel count, maybe it's something to think about.... at least until April 10th, that is.

))

Heheh... doesn't anyone erase the extraneous quotations from their messages, or is everyone in a rush to get to a fire somewhere else in th forum?

Pete said:
I have not totally made up my mind, if Canon would just admit
There is a problem and release a software patch that we could
download that would scan And map out the hot pixels.
I don't mind the loss of a few bad pixels I just don't want to see
them.

Peter34107 · Mar 21, 2001

Hi Ulysses

I have been trying to follow your threads but every time
I start to research one you start another.

As to the Pro 90, I just don't care for the design or the lower pixel count.
I'm sure it will produce some very good pictures as has been shown
In the reviews and people here.

I am going to take a break from heading to the store for a while,
At least for a high-end camera.
High End for me = 1000.00 range

I almost kept my last G1 because I hate returning stuff, for some
Reason I have a feeling of guilt. I feel like I'm the pain in the but customer.

TTYL
Pete

Ulysses said:
Hi there, Pete -

I've been following this thread with some interest. I feel sorry
for the plight that you find yourself in. It looks like you've
found at least some equilibrium in this thread as it becomes
obvious who tries to help you out and who simply wants to argue.
You've gotten some excellent advice in this growing thread.

While I've followed the good and the bad on the G1, I haven't seen
quite the same type of complaints about the Pro90. Maybe because
it's simply newer and not as widely available just yet. Have you
considered this camera as a possibility, as its images seem on a
par with the G1. If you don't mind the slightly lower pixel count,
maybe it's something to think about.... at least until April 10th,
that is. ))

Heheh... doesn't anyone erase the extraneous quotations from their
messages, or is everyone in a rush to get to a fire somewhere else
in th forum?

RJ35105 · Mar 21, 2001

Pete,

For you it was three strikes and Canon is out. For me it was third time lucky.

I returned two G1's before finally getting a good camera. But I must admit that if there had been a problem with #3, I would likely be in the same situation as you.

However, I do think you should re-evaluate your feelings of guilt about being a pain of a customer. If you are willing to shell out the better part of $1000US on a camera and accessories, you have every right to be completely satisfied with the goods.

The first camera had a bad pixel on the LCD. The second had two hot pixels on the CCD and froze completely after ten days.

I couldn't be happier with the third G1, which works a charm. I have taken some great shots with it, some of which will pay for the camera, microdrive and all accessories in the near future.

I hope you too will find a camera you are happy with. Digital imaging is a lot of fun, with unlimited creative potential and plenty of instant gratification.

Good luck in your search.

RJ

Pete said:
I have been trying to follow your threads but every time
I start to research one you start another.

As to the Pro 90, I just don't care for the design or the lower
pixel count.
I'm sure it will produce some very good pictures as has been shown
In the reviews and people here.

I am going to take a break from heading to the store for a while,
At least for a high-end camera.
High End for me = 1000.00 range

I almost kept my last G1 because I hate returning stuff, for some
Reason I have a feeling of guilt. I feel like I'm the pain in the
but customer.

TTYL
Pete

Ulysses said:

Hi there, Pete -

I've been following this thread with some interest. I feel sorry
for the plight that you find yourself in. It looks like you've
found at least some equilibrium in this thread as it becomes
obvious who tries to help you out and who simply wants to argue.
You've gotten some excellent advice in this growing thread.

While I've followed the good and the bad on the G1, I haven't seen
quite the same type of complaints about the Pro90. Maybe because
it's simply newer and not as widely available just yet. Have you
considered this camera as a possibility, as its images seem on a
par with the G1. If you don't mind the slightly lower pixel count,
maybe it's something to think about.... at least until April 10th,
that is. ))

Heheh... doesn't anyone erase the extraneous quotations from their
messages, or is everyone in a rush to get to a fire somewhere else
in th forum?

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BryanS · Mar 21, 2001

nahau said:
You know speaking about "dolts", it's funny that every post with
this same "penchant" attitude (now where did I hear that term
"penchant" used before?) seems to come from a user of AOL. I
remember!! I think it was from a guy posing as "aol", no maybe it
was from "regis", or "Go home Hillary", or was it "NEAL".

Let's not forget "Tech Rep" who was going to introduce us to the G2 just as soon as he could take it out of the "test chamber" or whatever he called it.

nahau said:
Hmmmm,
it seems all these dolts seem to use AOL! Coincidence perhaps!!
I guess you can run, but you cannot hide..."Karl"! You know, AOL
has a limit on screen names...of couse, if you take the time to
change them constantly...you could go on forever!!!

I hope you're not intending to insult AOL users by lumping all of them with this guy. Frankly, I find it funny that he thinks we can't recognize him... just check his post-history, and he's back to the "G1 takes soft photos, yadda, yadda, yadda" again. Perhaps in his community, he shows up with those Groucho glasses and a fake nose so he can get extra pizza samples at his local supermarket.

Bryan

Peter34107 · Mar 21, 2001

Hi Richard

Thanks

It's nice to have good people to talk to.

Pete

Richard said:
For you it was three strikes and Canon is out. For me it was third
time lucky.

I returned two G1's before finally getting a good camera. But I
must admit that if there had been a problem with #3, I would likely
be in the same situation as you.

However, I do think you should re-evaluate your feelings of guilt
about being a pain of a customer. If you are willing to shell out
the better part of $1000US on a camera and accessories, you have
every right to be completely satisfied with the goods.

The first camera had a bad pixel on the LCD. The second had two hot
pixels on the CCD and froze completely after ten days.

I couldn't be happier with the third G1, which works a charm. I
have taken some great shots with it, some of which will pay for the
camera, microdrive and all accessories in the near future.

I hope you too will find a camera you are happy with. Digital
imaging is a lot of fun, with unlimited creative potential and
plenty of instant gratification.

Good luck in your search.

RJ

Pete said:

I have been trying to follow your threads but every time
I start to research one you start another.

As to the Pro 90, I just don't care for the design or the lower
pixel count.
I'm sure it will produce some very good pictures as has been shown
In the reviews and people here.

I am going to take a break from heading to the store for a while,
At least for a high-end camera.
High End for me = 1000.00 range

I almost kept my last G1 because I hate returning stuff, for some
Reason I have a feeling of guilt. I feel like I'm the pain in the
but customer.

TTYL
Pete

Ulysses said:

Hi there, Pete -

I've been following this thread with some interest. I feel sorry
for the plight that you find yourself in. It looks like you've
found at least some equilibrium in this thread as it becomes
obvious who tries to help you out and who simply wants to argue.
You've gotten some excellent advice in this growing thread.

While I've followed the good and the bad on the G1, I haven't seen
quite the same type of complaints about the Pro90. Maybe because
it's simply newer and not as widely available just yet. Have you
considered this camera as a possibility, as its images seem on a
par with the G1. If you don't mind the slightly lower pixel count,
maybe it's something to think about.... at least until April 10th,
that is. ))

Heheh... doesn't anyone erase the extraneous quotations from their
messages, or is everyone in a rush to get to a fire somewhere else
in th forum?

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eshropshire · Mar 21, 2001

Pete,

I know how you feel about trying to be a nice customer. I use to have to take care of really hard customers for the first company I worked for years ago. Customer service was not my job, but I was techie and had a good way of working with people. That experience has always made me want to be a good and resonable customer. At the sametime I am willing to pay a little more to buy from companies that have good reputations for customer service. Bottom line is that you should not feel bad about returning the third camera. The G1 is expensive and it should perform according to your expectations. If the camera is not then return it, otherwise you will never be happy with the purchase.

I don't really have a recommendation on what you should do for a camera. I think Sony's are nice cameras, I just do not like Sony's attitude toward customer service. This may not matter if you have a good dealer. I have only had my G1 a few days but I really like the camera. I almost bought a S70 last summer, but I just could not see wasting my current investment in CF cards.

Good luck in what ever you decide, looking forward to hearing you decission.

Ed

Pete said:
I have been trying to follow your threads but every time
I start to research one you start another.

As to the Pro 90, I just don't care for the design or the lower
pixel count.
I'm sure it will produce some very good pictures as has been shown
In the reviews and people here.

I am going to take a break from heading to the store for a while,
At least for a high-end camera.
High End for me = 1000.00 range

I almost kept my last G1 because I hate returning stuff, for some
Reason I have a feeling of guilt. I feel like I'm the pain in the
but customer.

TTYL
Pete

Ulysses said:

Hi there, Pete -

I've been following this thread with some interest. I feel sorry
for the plight that you find yourself in. It looks like you've
found at least some equilibrium in this thread as it becomes
obvious who tries to help you out and who simply wants to argue.
You've gotten some excellent advice in this growing thread.

While I've followed the good and the bad on the G1, I haven't seen
quite the same type of complaints about the Pro90. Maybe because
it's simply newer and not as widely available just yet. Have you
considered this camera as a possibility, as its images seem on a
par with the G1. If you don't mind the slightly lower pixel count,
maybe it's something to think about.... at least until April 10th,
that is. ))

Heheh... doesn't anyone erase the extraneous quotations from their
messages, or is everyone in a rush to get to a fire somewhere else
in th forum?

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