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PS
if you shoot with adobe rgb the pictures will only look good in a
color aware app such as ps. Windows by default uses srgb and most
apps such as is display pictures as srgb. an adobe file under srgb
will look muddy.
if you want it to look good under srgb you can always convert them
in ps to srgb
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Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com
However I have difficulties to find out the workflow with colors.
In ps, my images look great, outside ps less. I shoot at adobe RGB
all the time, because I thougt this was the most wide colorrange,
but when I see the samples of Phil in his review, the are all shot
with sRGB.
--what if I print my shots at a fuji frontier. I save my images as
jpg, does the frontier or another lab uses rgb?
Gr
Ax
PS
if you shoot with adobe rgb the pictures will only look good in a
color aware app such as ps. Windows by default uses srgb and most
apps such as is display pictures as srgb. an adobe file under srgb
will look muddy.
if you want it to look good under srgb you can always convert them
in ps to srgb
--
Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com
--what if I print my shots at a fuji frontier. I save my images as
jpg, does the frontier or another lab uses rgb?
Gr
Ax
PS
if you shoot with adobe rgb the pictures will only look good in a
color aware app such as ps. Windows by default uses srgb and most
apps such as is display pictures as srgb. an adobe file under srgb
will look muddy.
if you want it to look good under srgb you can always convert them
in ps to srgb
--
Michael Salzlechner
http://www.PalmsWestPhoto.com
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http://www.caughtintimephotography.com
http://www.pbase.com/melaniekipp
--I though they had a "profile" they could provide for the Frontier
(or Alladen) machines, so that you could "tweak" your colors to
match the machine's output. I had asked the guy at the counter
(not the photo processing department) about this at Ritz, and he
was kinda clueless as to what I was talking about.
Rick
--I though they had a "profile" they could provide for the Frontier
(or Alladen) machines, so that you could "tweak" your colors to
match the machine's output. I had asked the guy at the counter
(not the photo processing department) about this at Ritz, and he
was kinda clueless as to what I was talking about.
Rick
Not to argue the point, but this is one area where I tend to disagree unless there is a specialized need or the desire to avoid some of the less likely issues with the Mark II such as over-exposed red channel clipping.Yeah, the MarkII rocks (pun intended) for shooting concerts.
Super-fast AF, even in club lighting - good high ISO noise
patterns. Keep shooting & processing in AdobeRGB, and convert as
your last step if necessary.
Yes, the Fuji Frontier machines actually work in their own internal colorspace, but they usually request that you send files over in the sRGB colorspace. The output is just beautiful. I find that sRGB often gets "hit" harder than it really deserves.The print colors
couldn't be anymore true to life. Evcidently, the Alladen and Fuji
machines are dedicated to sRGB. I keep RGB files for offset
printing purposes.
--Yes, the Fuji Frontier machines actually work in their own internalThe print colors
couldn't be anymore true to life. Evcidently, the Alladen and Fuji
machines are dedicated to sRGB. I keep RGB files for offset
printing purposes.
colorspace, but they usually request that you send files over in
the sRGB colorspace. The output is just beautiful. I find that sRGB
often gets "hit" harder than it really deserves.
The colorspace used depends largely on what output you intend.
--
Ulysses
http://www.ulyssesphotography.com
I don;t know what everyone ELSE is shooting, but MY MarkII exhibits much less of the "red issue" than my 10D did. This "issue" exists with film also.Not to argue the point, but this is one area where I tend toYeah, the MarkII rocks (pun intended) for shooting concerts.
Super-fast AF, even in club lighting - good high ISO noise
patterns. Keep shooting & processing in AdobeRGB, and convert as
your last step if necessary.
disagree unless there is a specialized need or the desire to avoid
some of the less likely issues with the Mark II such as
over-exposed red channel clipping.
I'm about 50/50 between pre-press & web. It's simply a matter of personal preference WHAT color space you choose to work in. In the end, we output to what the next step in the chain requires, either way.I tend to say: Stick with the colorspace for which you need to have
output. It's much SIMPLER for the photographer during editing. And
the results you actually get in print will usually be (there will
be rare exceptions) virtually identical to those achieved if you
had worked in the AdobeRGB colorspace and converted over to sRGB.
You won't get anything "back" going TO sRGB, as aRGB is a wider gamut to begin with.If you are sending to a printing service that needs the file saved
in the AdobeRGB colorspace, that's a different matter. You can't
get anything back by going from the subset of sRGB over to AdobeRGB.
I'm gonna have to check that out again - as I'm shooting a Bar Mitzva next weekend, that I'm going to have to bring in for printing - it's probably cheeper than doing the entire shoot on the inkjet anyway. Most of my printed work is 1-off kind of stuff, so the 2200 suffices for the most part.As I usually output to Fuji Frontiers, I prefer keeping it in the
sRGB colorspace from start to finish.
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i don't know if anyone else mentioned this, but great shots .I tend to say: Stick with the colorspace for which you need to have
output. It's much SIMPLER for the photographer during editing. And
the results you actually get in print will usually be (there will
be rare exceptions) virtually identical to those achieved if you
had worked in the AdobeRGB colorspace and converted over to sRGB.
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Canon OneDeeMarque2,TenDee, 70-2hundred 2.8IS, 16-thirty5, 1hundred
-300 5.6EL, 28-70 f3.5- something, 50m f1point4, 1.4X convrtr,
tc80EN3
If you look at the examples I posted (which were simply converting the 8 bit jpgs from argb to srgb) you'll notice a slight "blowing out" of the reds and greens in the highlight area's of the srgb shots. aRGB just handles this stuff alot better, perhaps due to the wider variations, versus sRGB having to lump all the shades into less variation - which may be partially responsible for the claims of "red blowout" by some MarkII owners. Though shot in low light, the colors do run pretty hot, especially when boosting the DR to bring up shadows and fix under EV's. It becomes a tight-rope act to get these looking right, without blowing them out - and aRGB just handles it better than sRGB. Another reason why I shoot RAW and convert aRGB.You'll notice that Rick is shooting some pretty bright colors and
recommending Adobe. No suprise. He recommends "convert at the last
step" if I worded it correctly but you really don't want to convert
from Adobe to sRGB if you are using an 8 bit image, if you can
prevent it. You have to redraw the picture using different colors
and the colors may or may not match well. If you are concerning
yourself with color gamuts then your goal is to shoot with the
gamut you will print with.
Printers can be a pain in the butt to get going correctly. As mentioned earlier in the thread, the profiles that Epson ships with the 2200 are so close (with Epson papers and inks) that I didn't even bother using Colorvisions Printfix to profile the printer also. But you STILL have to figure out the correct output settings for PS and the printer driver (on the PC) to get it right. I've got a sticky on my monitor to REMIND ME how much paper/ink it took to figure it out, every time I FORGOT it.Shooting RAW avoids all this nonsense in terms of your shooting and
allows you to convert to 8 bit adobe or srgb as you choose.
The dry creek resource is great. I'll admit that all this gets
confusing for me too and the best I can say is this is my
understanding, however inadequate it may be.
If you are unsure of your printers gamut my suggestion is to do
some simple tests by shooting a variety of pictures in sRGB and the
same or similar in Adobe RGB and print them to see which your
printer seems to print best.
When I finally invested in a Spyder Pro, I found out my old Hitachi was ready for the junkpile, as I couldn't get the luminance up enough to pre-calibrate (and always wondered WHY I couldn't get the full greyscale to display on Phils' "test"). You ain't LIVED until you've worked on a calibrated/profiled display. I spend an hour every 2 weeks doing every monitor in the house. If you've invested in a 1 Series camera, to NOT have a profiled display is like having a P&S, as it's all hit or miss.All of this becomes somewhat moot if your monitor is not fairly
well calibrated because without a reasonably well calibrated
monitor your output won't look like the image you see on the screen
anyway.
I agree with you here. The subtleties can drive you out of your mind. I've taken to completely darkening my office when profiling my display and working on "color critical" projects. The crapola MarkII profile for C1 3.5 doesn't help much either.Color management is a total pain in the rear when you are really
looking to reproduce an image accurately.