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OK... I am sure that many of you, like myself, are looking for ways to stretch your buying dollar -- I am currently debating how to fund both Adobe Photoshop CS AND a new lens

My question is whether anyone has had any dealings with the sites that are selling OEM versions of products, i.e. Photoshop CS for $80???? Granted, I am assuming no support from Adobe, and no manuel, but if I thought it was valid I would consider this...

Any thoughts from the group??? Any experiences?

THANKS
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I don't know, why don't you ask here:

http://www.adobe.com/aboutadobe/antipiracy/main.html
Berry Rogers said:
OK... I am sure that many of you, like myself, are looking for
ways to stretch your buying dollar -- I am currently debating how
to fund both Adobe Photoshop CS AND a new lens

My question is whether anyone has had any dealings with the sites
that are selling OEM versions of products, i.e. Photoshop CS for
$80???? Granted, I am assuming no support from Adobe, and no
manuel, but if I thought it was valid I would consider this...

Any thoughts from the group??? Any experiences?

THANKS
B>
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If it seems to good to be true, it is.

Adobe does not sell OEM products in this manner or authorize such.

PS does come bundled in a very few high-end products, but even if (and that's a very big if) these CDs actually came from some such deal, the license agreement for that type of software only allows the software to be distributed with the product, not to be sold separately.

This is a scam, and you will get nothing but an illegal bootleg CD for your $80.

--
Patrick Martin
http://www.patrickmartin.com
 
Patrick Martin said:
If it seems to good to be true, it is.

Adobe does not sell OEM products in this manner or authorize such.

PS does come bundled in a very few high-end products, but even if
(and that's a very big if) these CDs actually came from some such
deal, the license agreement for that type of software only allows
the software to be distributed with the product, not to be sold
separately.

This is a scam, and you will get nothing but an illegal bootleg CD
for your $80.

--
Patrick Martin
http://www.patrickmartin.com
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Thanks -- there was one lawsuit (Softman v Adobe -- info at http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5628 ) that made it sound like a great option -- but on following to the link to the company that won that suit, their price was more in the range I would expect .... and I guess I was hopeful :-)

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BrianPriceUK said:
BrianPriceUK said:
BrianPriceUK said:
This is a scam, and you will get nothing but an illegal bootleg CD
for your $80.......
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.........if you're lucky. You may also end up with shares in a
Nigerian bank.

Brian
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If its a scam, I wonder why not adobe takes action on these sites. Doing a search I just came across another one here http://industrycds.com/index.php?s=1377 & the site makes the deal look like a real one. It does explain OEM in detail, not sure weather its real explanation.
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Ranjan
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Hi Berry,Why not ask your question here,all you want is an opinion.
I suggest you try"PhotoFiltre" try it out,I doubt you will want PS cs.
 
Berry Rogers said:
Patrick Martin said:
If it seems to good to be true, it is.

Adobe does not sell OEM products in this manner or authorize such.

PS does come bundled in a very few high-end products, but even if
(and that's a very big if) these CDs actually came from some such
deal, the license agreement for that type of software only allows
the software to be distributed with the product, not to be sold
separately.

This is a scam, and you will get nothing but an illegal bootleg CD
for your $80.
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Thanks -- there was one lawsuit (Softman v Adobe -- info at
http://www.linuxjournal.com/article.php?sid=5628 ) that made it
sound like a great option -- but on following to the link to the
company that won that suit, their price was more in the range I
would expect .... and I guess I was hopeful :-)
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I don't think that legal decision means what you think it does.

The decision in Softman -V- Adobe essentially says it's legal for someone to resell unbundled software that hadn't yet been installed anywhere, because installation is the point at which the EULA must be accepted. Prior to that, the terms of the licence agreement do not yet apply.

Beyond that, it also says that the unbundling does not constitute copyright infringement. As long as the reseller is not otherwise bound by a distribution agreement with Adobe, then the resale of the package isn't a violation of anything.

But the legal decision did NOT say that the license agreement for the software didn't still apply when someone eventually installs it. While it does mention the controversy of "shrinkwrap licenses", it concludes that no ruling is required in this case because the EULA does not apply to the reseller.

So that means the end-user who installs the software is still bound by the terms of the EULA. If it says the software can only be used in conjunction with the hardware it was originally bundled with, or as part of a collection of programs (like the Adobe Video Collection) then you're still violating the license agreement if you do otherwise.

Mike
 
Berry Rogers said:
carl english said:
Hi Berry,Why not ask your question here,all you want is an opinion.
I suggest you try"PhotoFiltre" try it out,I doubt you will want PS cs.
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Thanks Carl -- always willing to try new things!! I finished the
download earlier, and when I have some free time I will check it
out!

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Have you tried out Photoshop Elements 2.0? I got a copy of it included with the Canon LiDE 80 flatbed scanner that I purchased for $150. I've seen the stand-alone retail version of the software itself for around $80-100. I've been using it and it's great for my needs. Has pretty much all of the features that I could want. I'm not a professional graphics person and don't really need all of the functionality that the full version of PS CS has to offer. In fact, Elements has many of the most commonly used features for the Average Joe Photographer. For some of the missing features, there are some workarounds to achieve similar results. Supposedly, Elements even has some features that the full PS CS doesn't have. I also picked up a book from Scott Kelby ( http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0735713928/qid=1087317037/sr=8-2/ref=pd_ka_2/002-4984043-2327226?v=glance&s=books&n=507846 ) that has a lot of helpful info for novices like me.
 
Conversely, if the EULA does not state that the software con only be used with the hardware it was bundled with, then there's no problem.

However, the Adobe EULA (122 pages, available at http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/ps7_eula.pdf ) does say that it is a violation of the EULA to unbundle the software for distribution or resale. But that provision does not on its face apply to the situation in which you purchase and install unbundled software on your computer, only if you want to pass on the software later....
Mike Fulton said:
So that means the end-user who installs the software is still bound
by the terms of the EULA. If it says the software can only be used
in conjunction with the hardware it was originally bundled with, or
as part of a collection of programs (like the Adobe Video
Collection) then you're still violating the license agreement if
you do otherwise.

Mike
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ODM
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OldDigiman said:
Conversely, if the EULA does not state that the software con only
be used with the hardware it was bundled with, then there's no
problem.

However, the Adobe EULA (122 pages, available at
http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/pdfs/ps7_eula.pdf ) does say
that it is a violation of the EULA to unbundle the software for
distribution or resale.
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This is what the court decided did not apply in Softman -v- Adobe. The court said the EULA was not yet in force when the seller unbundled the software. The license agreement is pretty much irrelevant until someone actually installs the software.
OldDigiman said:
But that provision does not on its face
apply to the situation in which you purchase and install unbundled
software on your computer, only if you want to pass on the software
later....
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This would apply to someone who purchased the ENTIRE original package with everything bundled together, installed the software, and then later decided to sell some individual component. Since they installed the software, they would be subject to the terms of the EULA.

We were discussing something else, like a reseller taking the ADOBE VIDEO COLLECTION and selling the individual programs separately. The court case decided it was legal for the seller to do this, because the EULA doesn't apply if they haven't installed anything.

But the decision only covered the SELLER'S side of the equation. When the buyer installs the software, they still have to agree to the EULA presented during the installation process, and therefore it still applies.

If the EULA says you can only use the software as part of the rest of the bundle, and you don't HAVE the rest of the bundle, then using it would violate the license.

Realistically, it's another lawsuit waiting to happen, but so far it hasn't happened.
OldDigiman said:
Mike Fulton said:
So that means the end-user who installs the software is still bound
by the terms of the EULA. If it says the software can only be used
in conjunction with the hardware it was originally bundled with, or
as part of a collection of programs (like the Adobe Video
Collection) then you're still violating the license agreement if
you do otherwise.

Mike
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ODM
http://home.earthlink.net/~olddigiman/photography/old_digiman.htm
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Vipre77 said:
Have you tried out Photoshop Elements 2.0?
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Yep -- I got it with my DRebel, and have to admit that I like it -- and I woudl agree that for a majority of things it is great! I was interested in CS mainly for the "extra stuff" that you might accomplish (AND I am always testing out new things )

I just have to get better at finding those workarounds you mentioned...

I think (and I hope I am not confusing things) is that Elements doesn't deal with the RAW format -- it becomes a multi-step process, and I really want to work in that space... If you have a workaround for that, let me know!!

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Berry Rogers said:
Vipre77 said:
Have you tried out Photoshop Elements 2.0?
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Yep -- I got it with my DRebel, and have to admit that I like it --
and I woudl agree that for a majority of things it is great! I was
interested in CS mainly for the "extra stuff" that you might
accomplish (AND I am always testing out new things )

I just have to get better at finding those workarounds you
mentioned...
I think (and I hope I am not confusing things) is that Elements
doesn't deal with the RAW format -- it becomes a multi-step
process, and I really want to work in that space... If you have a
workaround for that, let me know!!

B>
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Berry Rogers said:
Vipre77 said:
Have you tried out Photoshop Elements 2.0?
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Yep -- I got it with my DRebel, and have to admit that I like it --
and I woudl agree that for a majority of things it is great! I was
interested in CS mainly for the "extra stuff" that you might
accomplish (AND I am always testing out new things )

I just have to get better at finding those workarounds you
mentioned...
I think (and I hope I am not confusing things) is that Elements
doesn't deal with the RAW format -- it becomes a multi-step
process, and I really want to work in that space... If you have a
workaround for that, let me know!!

B>
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I've not tried to work with RAW at all. I'm still using an old Minolta DiMAGE S304, so my only file options are JPEG and TIFF. I just fired up PSE 2.0 and went into the Open file dialog and RAW is one of the listed file types supported, so you may be in luck. I don't know how much work you can do on those files once they're open, but I can't imagine that they'd be any more limited than any other file type. But, I've never tried, so I don't know. At first appearance, though, it seems like it should work.
 
Vipre77 said:
Berry Rogers said:
Vipre77 said:
Have you tried out Photoshop Elements 2.0?
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Yep -- I got it with my DRebel, and have to admit that I like it --
and I woudl agree that for a majority of things it is great! I was
interested in CS mainly for the "extra stuff" that you might
accomplish (AND I am always testing out new things )

I just have to get better at finding those workarounds you
mentioned...
I think (and I hope I am not confusing things) is that Elements
doesn't deal with the RAW format -- it becomes a multi-step
process, and I really want to work in that space... If you have a
workaround for that, let me know!!

B>
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I've not tried to work with RAW at all. I'm still using an old
Minolta DiMAGE S304, so my only file options are JPEG and TIFF. I
just fired up PSE 2.0 and went into the Open file dialog and RAW is
one of the listed file types supported, so you may be in luck. I
don't know how much work you can do on those files once they're
open, but I can't imagine that they'd be any more limited than any
other file type. But, I've never tried, so I don't know. At first
appearance, though, it seems like it should work.
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Oh, and I forgot to add, that if you really want to squeeze every ounce of capability out of PSE 2.0, I recommend picking up a book or two at your local bookstore or from Amazon.com. I particularly like the one I mentioned from Scott Kelby, but I think it's aimed at the more novice user. Still, it has some great tips in there and it's not too expensive. I payed just under $30 for it. There's plenty of books for more advanced users, as well.
 
Berry Rogers said:
OK... I am sure that many of you, like myself, are looking for
ways to stretch your buying dollar -- I am currently debating how
to fund both Adobe Photoshop CS AND a new lens

My question is whether anyone has had any dealings with the sites
that are selling OEM versions of products, i.e. Photoshop CS for
$80???? Granted, I am assuming no support from Adobe, and no
manuel, but if I thought it was valid I would consider this...

Any thoughts from the group??? Any experiences?

THANKS
B>
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because people recieve obviously shady sounding emails and followup. If no one ever followed up on the offerings by shady boiler room spammers we would not have the spam problem today.
 
Berry Rogers said:
OK... I am sure that many of you, like myself, are looking for
ways to stretch your buying dollar -- I am currently debating how
to fund both Adobe Photoshop CS AND a new lens

My question is whether anyone has had any dealings with the sites
that are selling OEM versions of products, i.e. Photoshop CS for
$80???? Granted, I am assuming no support from Adobe, and no
manuel, but if I thought it was valid I would consider this...
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Berry,

I have used OEM versions of some other software, but not Adobe without
problems. (I build my own computers. In theory, you are supposed
to buy some hardware along with it but no one seems to care). To date
I have had no problems with such OEM software. However, that being
said, PhotoShop is so expensive and so unlikely to be routinely
used on mass market computers that I would be surprised if there are
real OEM versions out there, particularly as low as $80.

There are a couple of other options that you can consider that should
present no issues.

1. Take a night course and get an academic version::::
Here in Pittsburgh, as I suspect in many other cities, there is a
county Community College that offers night courses in almost anything
including computers and various software. A typical course might be three
or four nights for a couple of hours and cost around $40. Such a PS course
is enough to get you an Academic type license. Even so, the Academic
version of PSCS is $299 which is still pretty expensive.

2. Buy an older version of PhotoShop and upgrade to CS for $169::::
This perfectly acceptable as long as you have bought an unregistered
version and installed it on your computer. This is actually the route
I used to get PhotoShop 7 via an upgrade. Simply go to Ebay and
search for Photoshop and look at the listings in order of low-to-high
price. After you wade through tens of book, you will find various older
versions of PS for sale. Look though them for a "retail" unregistered
version, preferably factory sealed and from a U.S. site. Then look at the
seller's ratings, particularly any negative ones, to try to make sure
that the product will be as represented. I did learn, however,
by experience that when you install at least a PS7 Upgrade Version
on top of PS4, the previous version must Remain installed on your
computer. At least with PS7 over PS4, if you remove the PS4 to
save disk space the PS7 upgrade would stop working if PS4 was
not present!

Good Luck.
Regards,
 
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