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all you need to know is curve and also maybe level. curve can adjust your contrast very efficiently. auto-contrast is nice but too strong sometimes and change your photo too drasticaly many times.

try play with the curves and see how it affect the photo...you might endup doing only that.
jra111 said:
When I bought my Dreb I did not know the issue about PP . Now
really the only thing I can really do is Auto contrast , resize,
and sharpen. Anything other than that and I get lost and cant tell
what looks better .

I see guys on here with pictures that blow you away ,I wish I knew
Phoposhop better Like paulyoly said . I photoshop my pictures about
5% or less because when I try I suck badly.

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I shoot .jpg because I have too small CF card but why do you choose to use .jpg now?

I can see a small increase in detail when I shoot raw..so if I would have better CF card I would shoot raw..did you notice a difference in detail in raw?
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PaulyOly said:
That i always shoot in parameter 2 which i believe means all
parameters are at 0, someone correct me if i'm wrong.
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I like it - it's my therapy:))))))))))
gah1 said:
Ok. OK. I have decided that I dont want to spend hours on post
processing. I work in front of a PC all day, Why do I want to spend
my down time in front of one as well?
So, does this mean I shouldnt have an DSLR??
Some people tell me that PPS MUST be done, others say no. I
understand that in film cameras its done by the developers but
what about slide film? That isnt PPS is it? Surely not and that
always looked great.

I will only print say 5% of my shots - the rest I will view on my
PC so do I still need PPS or not?
If so I think that DSLRs sales will be limited in the mass market
unless this is sorted out. I just cannot see that most people are
gonna want to spend ages on this and if they buy a DSLR and then
find they have to there are gonna be a hell of a lot of
disappointed people out there!!

Or is this just a Canon/Nikon issue. Someone has told me that the
Fuji S2 doesnt need PPS at all.

I need to get this clear in my mind BEFORE I shell out £1000!!!

gah1
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1) Even P&S cameras can benefit from post processing.

2) Sending your DSLR images through a batch post-processing routine can yield similar photos to P&S.

DSLR can provide top quality images, but to achieve top quality requires effort. If you don't want top quality images "bad enough", then I'm sure saving money and going with a P&S will suit you fine.

DSLR sales will continue because there are enough people that want top-quality images and have reached the celing of their P&S desiring more.
 
On the Digital Rebel, I use default settings except set sharpness +2. I consider myself pretty picky, but I find that very little if any post processing is required. In this respect, the camera is better than any digital I have owned, including 5+ prosumer models. Sharpness is excellent (with a decent lens), color is as good or better than any other digital camera I know.

Nicholas
gah1 said:
Ok. OK. I have decided that I dont want to spend hours on post
processing. I work in front of a PC all day, Why do I want to spend
my down time in front of one as well?
So, does this mean I shouldnt have an DSLR??
Some people tell me that PPS MUST be done, others say no. I
understand that in film cameras its done by the developers but
what about slide film? That isnt PPS is it? Surely not and that
always looked great.

I will only print say 5% of my shots - the rest I will view on my
PC so do I still need PPS or not?
If so I think that DSLRs sales will be limited in the mass market
unless this is sorted out. I just cannot see that most people are
gonna want to spend ages on this and if they buy a DSLR and then
find they have to there are gonna be a hell of a lot of
disappointed people out there!!

Or is this just a Canon/Nikon issue. Someone has told me that the
Fuji S2 doesnt need PPS at all.

I need to get this clear in my mind BEFORE I shell out £1000!!!

gah1
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It all depends what we shoot, I know that by shooting White Egrets, many times I'm sure , you'll need to correct things out like blown highlights feathers in some circumstances, if you wouldn't PP, then that would part of your final image. Same as me, since I shoot a lot of birds, sometimes part of the bird is dark (leave shades), then I could probably have another part of the bird near blown highlight, then the rest is fine.

Since I'm picky like you are , and many of us are, post-processing is part of photography, and its actually fun ;)

Now being told by the initial post not to post-process is like telling us "we're cheating" somehow, we're not... We're just getting the most of what the camera can do so well.

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Maybe D70 users are not that professionals. LOL..
gah1 said:
Its very interesting. I have posted this thread about No post
processing on both the Canon 300D and the Nikon D70 sites.
Invariably canon users all seem to think PPS is virtually
compulsory whilst D70 users are a bit more - only if you want to -
is this cos the Canon NEEDS it whilst the D70 doesnt quite as
much?Or is it that Canon users are more Techies and love playing
with PPS?

I still think that sales will suffer. Most people out there want to
take pics NOT to spend ages in front of a PC. As for 'its fun', it
may be but only if I feel like it - which is different from having
to do it. I think that this is the essential difference here.

There is a site that sadly I cannot find right now that shows pics
out of a Canon 300D on a Before and AFTER post processing basis.It
is NOT a good advert! If you took the Before pictures you would be
very disappointed. Canon must know this. Yes maybe some DSLR uses
would welcome the control over the pics but others will fill these
posts with stories of softness and blame bad lenses etc. Frankly it
is not a good sales pitch.

As for P & S - well although on the face of it there are a lot out
there in reality if you want one with a long zoom say 200mm there
are not that many and they all have problems according to these
pages!

Maybe the answer is that if you want a good all round camera with a
good lens of up to 200mm or more and dont want to spend your life
in front of a PC tweaking them for ever that you have to wait a few
years for technology to catch up? I dont think so. I think that
when sales suffer at beacause of this issue the manufacturers will
do something about it.

My friend with the Fuji S2 is adamant that PPS is NOT required.
thanks for all the replies
gah1
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gah1 started the thread but only so far contributed 2 replies including the first message. Please give some feedback after all the replies you get. What do you think about post processing now?
 
BigMike made it clear. I fully agree with you. Well said!! Thumbs up!! I'm thinking gah1 is ignorant.
BigMike said:
If you buy a DSLR, you are buying a more complex camera. One that
has a learning curve, compared to fixed lens camera. The sole
reason for buying a DSLR, is to step up to more serious
photography, and the options a DSLR affords. Now, if your wanting
to be more serious about photography, then post processing is part
of it. Whether your working in a darkroom with film, or a digital
darkroom with files, it's a part of advanced photography. It would
not make sense to buy an advanced DSLR camera, just to settle for
what ever pops out of it. That's what simply point and shoot
cameras are for. They are for those, that want decent pictures,
without the fuss. DLSRs and more advanced fix lens cameras, are for
those that want great, not just good. Since a camera, any camera,
is limited in it's ability to expose perfectly many times, post
processing gives you the tools to turn good, into great. A DSLR is
not about taking perfect out-of-camera pictures everytime, that's
impossible for any camera. A DSLR is about giving you more tools to
work with. More lenses to better fit the job, a bigger sensor to
give you smoother, noise free shots, and through the lens
viewfinder and manual focus and zoom, so you can be more accurate.
The parameters in the Rebel can be set to give you good out of
camera shots, but they are not exagerated as in a typical point and
shoot camera. This keeps the photo "clean" so further processing is
possible.

One mistake new DSLR owners make, is they think post processing
means hours of work. It doesn't. Most photos can be tweaked by post
processing in a matter of seconds. Even the auto-fix or auto-level
options in most editors can make a big difference in about 5 to 10
seconds tops. You will however, eventually find out that you can
turn great photos into masterpieces through advanced post
processing. It doesn't take long to learn these either. When I
first started into most advanced processing technics, a week later,
I was doing things I thought I could never do.

So my advice is this, if you want to advance your photography
skills and produce great photos, get a DSLR, and learn simple post
processing technics, which can be mastered in one evening.

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I just went over and read some of the post. I don't think they get the point about post processing. They are more like working with NIKON and HARD sale about the D70. They are pretty much saying it is a great camera and you don't need post processing, you will get a descent pic right out of the camera. It's pity that they're only at that level. Hmmm
 
Here's an unretouched original that I think (in my amatuer/hobbyist opinion) is demonstrative of what you can expect without post processing with only some modest application of in-camera nudging and a decent exposure/white-balance. Does it look "better" post processed?!? Yes, certainly! Does it HAVE to be post processed? No, not if you're happy with the initial results.

Feel free to download this for your own personal use, to poke fun at, to marvel over (not likely), to try your hand at post processing, or just to view as a sample of what comes out of a 300D on it's own. I trust you won't try and use this for commercial purposes. Just in case, the photo I've provided is a duck Most people would rather pay you NOT to see it, anyways! ;-)

I added an underscore at the end of the url to keep it from displaying, since it's an original file (6mp .jpg and about 2.24MB in size).

http://www.speakeasy.org/~markfowler/linked_02/IMG_2477_original.JPG_

I also have an A70 and I post process those pics, as well. Do I PP EVERY PIC?!? No. Only those I care the most about and wish to use for prints, screen savers/wallpapers, sharing with friends, etc. The others sit, 'as is', in the digital shoe box I call my hard drive, later to make it onto the piles of other digital shoeboxes I call CD's. My keepers eventually go onto DVDs. Why? I dunno.. CD's are basically free after rebates, but DVD's still cost real money. I honor my keepers by placing them onto the more expensive media. :-?

hope this sample helps, some?

icmp
gah1 said:
I will only print say 5% of my shots - the rest I will view on my
PC so do I still need PPS or not?

I need to get this clear in my mind BEFORE I shell out £1000!!!

gah1
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Kenny said:
gah1 started the thread but only so far contributed 2 replies
including the first message. Please give some feedback after all
the replies you get. What do you think about post processing now?
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This happens often on here. I to would like to hear his comments. Atleast mention if he preferred the non-processed or the processed examples people posted or if he found the non exceptable.

He may have had to go to work or to bed. Lucky for me i'm on vacation.

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looky here
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=9135350

Hmm,
GLenn
gah1 said:
Ok. OK. I have decided that I dont want to spend hours on post
processing. I work in front of a PC all day, Why do I want to spend
my down time in front of one as well?
So, does this mean I shouldnt have an DSLR??
Some people tell me that PPS MUST be done, others say no. I
understand that in film cameras its done by the developers but
what about slide film? That isnt PPS is it? Surely not and that
always looked great.

I will only print say 5% of my shots - the rest I will view on my
PC so do I still need PPS or not?
If so I think that DSLRs sales will be limited in the mass market
unless this is sorted out. I just cannot see that most people are
gonna want to spend ages on this and if they buy a DSLR and then
find they have to there are gonna be a hell of a lot of
disappointed people out there!!

Or is this just a Canon/Nikon issue. Someone has told me that the
Fuji S2 doesnt need PPS at all.

I need to get this clear in my mind BEFORE I shell out £1000!!!

gah1
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What do you think happens to slide film after you put it into the shop? Or does yours just come straight out of your camera already developed? I'd like to see that camera!
gah1 said:
Some people tell me that PPS MUST be done, others say no. I
understand that in film cameras its done by the developers but
what about slide film? That isnt PPS is it? Surely not and that
always looked great.
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" I know that many people ARE photographers but NOT PC wizards so how about them?"

If they care much about their photography, they would learn about post processing. I'm sure photographers who are going to digital, they actually know some skills to work with the software? Even film photographer can benefit from a PC. I believe there is film scanner?
 
Wow what a response! Thanks for all the replies. It has taken me some time to go through them all.

The problem is still the same though. Some people are adamant that you MUST do it, some say its fun and you probly will want to, others admit that they dont bother.

I seem to have opened a can of worms.

And arent some people touchy! One guy called me ignorant for not being sure that I wanted to do PPS! Im sorry that we cant all be as clever as you sir!

The irony is that I am I would have thought a naturall DSLR buyer. I have used film slrs for 25yrs now, my current camera being a Canon 50E which I suppose in 'your ' terms I use as a good P & S.

I only take slides and if I dont like them I chuck them so PPS doesnt arise. I love the feel of the camera, the speed and the quality. I am not however a techie nor do I want to be.

I am sure I am no different to may other film SLR users. I cannot imagine for one moment that they are going to make the leap to PPS if it MUST be done on every shot! Most people are not techies. In the UK 80% of us cannot programme our own video recorders!!

I also have an Olympus 3000 digicam which is great for snaps but small

zoom and shutter lag problems etc. I am therefore thinking to upgrade. In my (ignorant!) mind I initially thought I would get a Canon 300D - a natural progression I thought.It was just the PPS that worried me.

Now I am not at all sure that its the right thing. More people seem to say that I will NEED to PPS than not.

Maybe the venomous! ones are right. Maybe a P&S would be ok for ignorant people like me!
thanks again for replying
gah1.
 
Hi,

Lovely pics, I never bother to put "frames" around my pics, they don't seem to look right. I rather like yours though, particularly the 2nd one around the Heron like bird.

Would you mind advising how you did it?

Thanks

Andy
 
It's really easy. In elements, click on layers, dupicate layer, then go over to the right and click on layers styles, it comes up on bevels, choose the bevel you like. I think that one is a simple sharp inner bevel. now click on the drop down arrow next to bevel and click on inner glow, i used simple for that one, but i also use simple noise. Try some of the other glows and bevels too.
Andy Watkins said:
Hi,

Lovely pics, I never bother to put "frames" around my pics, they
don't seem to look right. I rather like yours though, particularly
the 2nd one around the Heron like bird.

Would you mind advising how you did it?

Thanks

Andy
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