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I just ordered a D2H (get it tomorrow).

I own a 1D and various Canon lenses, had a D2H for some days to play with it and liked it so much that I ordered one.

The d2H: I specially liked the AF-speed, the flash results, the big display, the interface to choose AF-points AND the lighter weight compared to Canon 1D.

Do you guys think this is a stupid move since I own (or maybe soon have owned) all the Canon gear or do these reasons count enough?

I didnt like the Auto-whitebalance of the d2h that much so I hope to find a good way to work around this (specially in mixed light)

I will keep the 1D and lenses until the results will show that I am happy with the new d2H.

I will get a used 24-85/2.8-4 lens (can use it for free) with the 2dH from my dealer until the 18-70 is available (I was between the 17-55 and 18-70, but will probably go for the 18-70 because of lighter weight (and money)).

If I am happy with the d2H I plan to add the 11-22 , 85/1.4 and the 70-200/2.8 VR.

I was trying to wait until the announcement of d2x, but even if it is announced soon it will take time until one can get one. And then we dodnt know how many frames/sec it can do. I want at least 5, since I like shooting sports.

Maybe I should put a Canon 1D sticker on the camera so that my fiance will not realize I did this.

Any comments on the lens choice? If you guys had the Nikon 12-22 and the 70-200VR, which one would you add in the middle as an allaround lens (which i.e. can be taken on hikes, vacation etc. - so weight is an issue too).

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Regards,
TOM
 
Congratulations and I hope you enjoy your new camera. You will need to work a little differently to get the best out of this camera, but it really does shine when ridden right.

I put the 24-85mm f/3.5-4.5G AF-S Zoom-Nikkor lens on my D2H. While it is a plastic external case, the optics are first rate and it is reviewed as one of the better lenses you can buy.

It is light and it costs under $400, but don't let the low price fool you.

Marv
Thomas Streng said:
I just ordered a D2H (get it tomorrow).

I own a 1D and various Canon lenses, had a D2H for some days to
play with it and liked it so much that I ordered one.

The d2H: I specially liked the AF-speed, the flash results, the big
display, the interface to choose AF-points AND the lighter weight
compared to Canon 1D.

Do you guys think this is a stupid move since I own (or maybe soon
have owned) all the Canon gear or do these reasons count enough?

I didnt like the Auto-whitebalance of the d2h that much so I hope
to find a good way to work around this (specially in mixed light)

I will keep the 1D and lenses until the results will show that I am
happy with the new d2H.

I will get a used 24-85/2.8-4 lens (can use it for free) with the
2dH from my dealer until the 18-70 is available (I was between the
17-55 and 18-70, but will probably go for the 18-70 because of
lighter weight (and money)).

If I am happy with the d2H I plan to add the 11-22 , 85/1.4 and the
70-200/2.8 VR.

I was trying to wait until the announcement of d2x, but even if it
is announced soon it will take time until one can get one. And then
we dodnt know how many frames/sec it can do. I want at least 5,
since I like shooting sports.

Maybe I should put a Canon 1D sticker on the camera so that my
fiance will not realize I did this.

Any comments on the lens choice? If you guys had the Nikon 12-22
and the 70-200VR, which one would you add in the middle as an
allaround lens (which i.e. can be taken on hikes, vacation etc. -
so weight is an issue too).

--
Regards,
TOM
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Thomas Streng said:
I just ordered a D2H (get it tomorrow).

I own a 1D and various Canon lenses, had a D2H for some days to
play with it and liked it so much that I ordered one.
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Congrats and welcome to the Insanity. How can a 4MP camera compete these days
paratom said:
Maybe I should put a Canon 1D sticker on the camera so that my
fiance will not realize I did this.
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Don't bother once she hears the shutter she will know the difference. When shooting in the vacinity of 1D shooters I'm always whipping my head around to she who is using the sewing machine.
paratom said:
Any comments on the lens choice? If you guys had the Nikon 12-22
and the 70-200VR, which one would you add in the middle as an
allaround lens (which i.e. can be taken on hikes, vacation etc. -
so weight is an issue too).
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Don't judge the camera by the results of the 24-85 and I think the 18-70 is likely to be dodgy on the camera too.

See if he will loan you a 35-70 2.8 instead.
paratom said:
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Regards,
TOM
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Heh, heh ... looks like before I can reply to you, you already made up your mind in getting the D2H :) You'll enjoy it :)

As for lens, I have all the three lenses you mentioned. And as a light-weight walk around, I got a tamron 28-75/f2.8 Di. Here's some samples I posted:
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1030&message=9134610

Please note that the lens is known to have some bad copies. If you want to get it, get it from a store with good exchange policy.

Adding to the mix and if you don't mind manual lens, consider the 45mm/f2.8 P .... one sweet lens in a very small package :)

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If money and weight is an issue, I would spring for the 50/1.8 (a real 'bang for the buck') or the 35/2 (new version). You can even go for the retro 45p which I hear is an outstanding lens (manual focus though).

Otherwise, for maximum pic quality, I would get a nice pre-owned 28-70/2.8 (this is assuming you already have the 12-24/4) or even the 35-70/2.8 push-pull. Otherwise, I use the 17-55 and 85/1.4 combo for outstanding results.

Good luck!

:)
Thomas Streng said:
I just ordered a D2H (get it tomorrow).

I own a 1D and various Canon lenses, had a D2H for some days to
play with it and liked it so much that I ordered one.

The d2H: I specially liked the AF-speed, the flash results, the big
display, the interface to choose AF-points AND the lighter weight
compared to Canon 1D.

Do you guys think this is a stupid move since I own (or maybe soon
have owned) all the Canon gear or do these reasons count enough?

I didnt like the Auto-whitebalance of the d2h that much so I hope
to find a good way to work around this (specially in mixed light)

I will keep the 1D and lenses until the results will show that I am
happy with the new d2H.

I will get a used 24-85/2.8-4 lens (can use it for free) with the
2dH from my dealer until the 18-70 is available (I was between the
17-55 and 18-70, but will probably go for the 18-70 because of
lighter weight (and money)).

If I am happy with the d2H I plan to add the 11-22 , 85/1.4 and the
70-200/2.8 VR.

I was trying to wait until the announcement of d2x, but even if it
is announced soon it will take time until one can get one. And then
we dodnt know how many frames/sec it can do. I want at least 5,
since I like shooting sports.

Maybe I should put a Canon 1D sticker on the camera so that my
fiance will not realize I did this.

Any comments on the lens choice? If you guys had the Nikon 12-22
and the 70-200VR, which one would you add in the middle as an
allaround lens (which i.e. can be taken on hikes, vacation etc. -
so weight is an issue too).

--
Regards,
TOM
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Shad,

I allready have my second "pro" Canon 24-70/2.8 L and it is less sharp than my 28-135/IS "consumer" lens. (I admit I might probably not have the very best copy of a 24-70 on the world)

I have somewhat changed my opinion and do think that not all "consumer"-lenses are really worse image quality wise compared to the "pro"-lenses.

Well, speed and build quality is another thing.

The zoom range of 35-70 is too small for me.

However thank you for the tip. If sharpness is not what I do expect I will check if it is the lens or the camera before I will judge.
Shadco said:
See if he will loan you a 35-70 2.8 instead.
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Shadco said:
Shadco said:
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Regards,
TOM
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TOM
 
Thomas Streng said:
Shad,
I allready have my second "pro" Canon 24-70/2.8 L and it is less
sharp than my 28-135/IS "consumer" lens. (I admit I might probably
not have the very best copy of a 24-70 on the world)

I have somewhat changed my opinion and do think that not all
"consumer"-lenses are really worse image quality wise compared to
the "pro"-lenses.

Well, speed and build quality is another thing.

The zoom range of 35-70 is too small for me.
However thank you for the tip. If sharpness is not what I do expect
I will check if it is the lens or the camera before I will judge.
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Thomas

I believe that you will find one of Nikon's differneces over Canon is that there is definately a differnce in quality, Sharpness and Bokeh between their Pro and Consumer level short glass. Often a large difference.

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Shad
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Which piano should I buy if I want to play like Mozart?

...Kit in profile...
...pbase supporter...
...Nikonians supporter...
...4/3 NE1?...
 
So far you must have really liked it a lot... is the D2h better all around than the 1D in your opinion? If it really isn't then I guess I would ask why look at switching?
paratom said:
Any comments on the lens choice? If you guys had the Nikon 12-22
and the 70-200VR, which one would you add in the middle as an
allaround lens (which i.e. can be taken on hikes, vacation etc. -
so weight is an issue too).
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In between those it is doubtful that you'll find a better lens than the 28 - 70 f/2.8 AFS.

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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln
 
Pete Perry said:
Member said:
Any comments on the lens choice? If you guys had the Nikon 12-22
and the 70-200VR, which one would you add in the middle as an
allaround lens (which i.e. can be taken on hikes, vacation etc. -
so weight is an issue too).
Click to expand...
In between those it is doubtful that you'll find a better lens than
the 28 - 70 f/2.8 AFS.

--
'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to
deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it
shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln
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--I went with 12-22 28-70/50-1.8/70-200VR and will never look back

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Pete Perry said:
So far you must have really liked it a lot... is the D2h better
all around than the 1D in your opinion? If it really isn't then I
guess I would ask why look at switching?
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difficult question. I dont think image quality of d2h is better than 1d. However I really think the AF and flash photography is better. I also do like the loewer weight of the d2H, and the lens options (i.e.18-70 or 17-55)
Member said:
Member said:
Any comments on the lens choice? If you guys had the Nikon 12-22
and the 70-200VR, which one would you add in the middle as an
allaround lens (which i.e. can be taken on hikes, vacation etc. -
so weight is an issue too).
Click to expand...
In between those it is doubtful that you'll find a better lens than
the 28 - 70 f/2.8 AFS.

--
'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to
deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it
shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln
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--
Regards,
TOM
 
Congrats. Tip for white balance: try preset instead. I find the built-in color temp "meter" works really well in a lot of cases and is very fast and easy to set. When that doesn't work, taking white balance off a frame works well and only takes a little longer.

As far as lenses go, while the f/2.8 AFS lenses are nice they are all big and heavy. I'd consider the D70 "kit" lens, the 24-85 AFS, the 24-120 AFS VR or primes. I just happen to be expecting a new 35mm f/2 today that I plan to use as my "walk around" lens.

-brian
Thomas Streng said:
I just ordered a D2H (get it tomorrow).

I own a 1D and various Canon lenses, had a D2H for some days to
play with it and liked it so much that I ordered one.

The d2H: I specially liked the AF-speed, the flash results, the big
display, the interface to choose AF-points AND the lighter weight
compared to Canon 1D.

Do you guys think this is a stupid move since I own (or maybe soon
have owned) all the Canon gear or do these reasons count enough?

I didnt like the Auto-whitebalance of the d2h that much so I hope
to find a good way to work around this (specially in mixed light)

I will keep the 1D and lenses until the results will show that I am
happy with the new d2H.

I will get a used 24-85/2.8-4 lens (can use it for free) with the
2dH from my dealer until the 18-70 is available (I was between the
17-55 and 18-70, but will probably go for the 18-70 because of
lighter weight (and money)).

If I am happy with the d2H I plan to add the 11-22 , 85/1.4 and the
70-200/2.8 VR.

I was trying to wait until the announcement of d2x, but even if it
is announced soon it will take time until one can get one. And then
we dodnt know how many frames/sec it can do. I want at least 5,
since I like shooting sports.

Maybe I should put a Canon 1D sticker on the camera so that my
fiance will not realize I did this.

Any comments on the lens choice? If you guys had the Nikon 12-22
and the 70-200VR, which one would you add in the middle as an
allaround lens (which i.e. can be taken on hikes, vacation etc. -
so weight is an issue too).

--
Regards,
TOM
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I got mine 5 days ago and have over 3500 photos on it already! It's a kick a** camera!
Thomas Streng said:
I just ordered a D2H (get it tomorrow).

I own a 1D and various Canon lenses, had a D2H for some days to
play with it and liked it so much that I ordered one.

The d2H: I specially liked the AF-speed, the flash results, the big
display, the interface to choose AF-points AND the lighter weight
compared to Canon 1D.

Do you guys think this is a stupid move since I own (or maybe soon
have owned) all the Canon gear or do these reasons count enough?

I didnt like the Auto-whitebalance of the d2h that much so I hope
to find a good way to work around this (specially in mixed light)

I will keep the 1D and lenses until the results will show that I am
happy with the new d2H.

I will get a used 24-85/2.8-4 lens (can use it for free) with the
2dH from my dealer until the 18-70 is available (I was between the
17-55 and 18-70, but will probably go for the 18-70 because of
lighter weight (and money)).

If I am happy with the d2H I plan to add the 11-22 , 85/1.4 and the
70-200/2.8 VR.

I was trying to wait until the announcement of d2x, but even if it
is announced soon it will take time until one can get one. And then
we dodnt know how many frames/sec it can do. I want at least 5,
since I like shooting sports.

Maybe I should put a Canon 1D sticker on the camera so that my
fiance will not realize I did this.

Any comments on the lens choice? If you guys had the Nikon 12-22
and the 70-200VR, which one would you add in the middle as an
allaround lens (which i.e. can be taken on hikes, vacation etc. -
so weight is an issue too).

--
Regards,
TOM
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My D2H go out and does the work while my D1X and D100 sit on the closet shelf. I had great doubts about the D2H making me happy, but after the last months of use, it would take quite a leap in technology to get the D2H out of my hands.
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So basically you think it's the better camera but not in all areas? Do you shoot NEF?

Also, about the lens seriously try the 28 - 70 and see what you think because I think you'll find it rivals the best lenses on the market.
Thomas Streng said:
Pete Perry said:
So far you must have really liked it a lot... is the D2h better
all around than the 1D in your opinion? If it really isn't then I
guess I would ask why look at switching?
Click to expand...
difficult question. I dont think image quality of d2h is better
than 1d. However I really think the AF and flash photography is
better. I also do like the loewer weight of the d2H, and the lens
options (i.e.18-70 or 17-55)
paratom said:
paratom said:
Any comments on the lens choice? If you guys had the Nikon 12-22
and the 70-200VR, which one would you add in the middle as an
allaround lens (which i.e. can be taken on hikes, vacation etc. -
so weight is an issue too).
Click to expand...
In between those it is doubtful that you'll find a better lens than
the 28 - 70 f/2.8 AFS.

--
'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to
deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it
shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln
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--
Regards,
TOM
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'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln
 
I can't speak to the Canon gear, but given the lenses that you intend to buy later, I would NOT go with the 18-70 but would go with the 17-55. The 18-70 is a kit lens which is roughly equivalent to a point and shoot lens and well below the quality of most of the other lenses that you intend to buy. Given that it will likely be your most used lens, I would go with the 17-55 instead. (Check out owner's comments on the 17-55 on this and the Nikon Lens forum...)

Regards,
TED
Thomas Streng said:
I just ordered a D2H (get it tomorrow).

I own a 1D and various Canon lenses, had a D2H for some days to
play with it and liked it so much that I ordered one.

The d2H: I specially liked the AF-speed, the flash results, the big
display, the interface to choose AF-points AND the lighter weight
compared to Canon 1D.

Do you guys think this is a stupid move since I own (or maybe soon
have owned) all the Canon gear or do these reasons count enough?

I didnt like the Auto-whitebalance of the d2h that much so I hope
to find a good way to work around this (specially in mixed light)

I will keep the 1D and lenses until the results will show that I am
happy with the new d2H.

I will get a used 24-85/2.8-4 lens (can use it for free) with the
2dH from my dealer until the 18-70 is available (I was between the
17-55 and 18-70, but will probably go for the 18-70 because of
lighter weight (and money)).

If I am happy with the d2H I plan to add the 11-22 , 85/1.4 and the
70-200/2.8 VR.

I was trying to wait until the announcement of d2x, but even if it
is announced soon it will take time until one can get one. And then
we dodnt know how many frames/sec it can do. I want at least 5,
since I like shooting sports.

Maybe I should put a Canon 1D sticker on the camera so that my
fiance will not realize I did this.

Any comments on the lens choice? If you guys had the Nikon 12-22
and the 70-200VR, which one would you add in the middle as an
allaround lens (which i.e. can be taken on hikes, vacation etc. -
so weight is an issue too).

--
Regards,
TOM
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Hi,

I just did the same exact thing.

I had bought the 1D prior to the anno of the D2H (not that it mattered much given the time lag between anno and availability with these things). I had a D1H and D1X combo that the 1D replaced.

The 1D was a fantastic upgrade from the D1H/D1X pair. I was quite pleased with the results. Plus, I had really wanted to wring out Canon's AF system with the USM equipped primes. One can read test results forever and not really understand how anything really is. You have to live with it for a while to truly know.

I found out that the Nikon AF system was a bit better than the Canon (talking D1H vs 1D here), but the USM could gain target acquisition much better. This was not a surprise given my experience with Nikon's AFS zooms. I also found that the Nikon matrix metering was more accurate than the Canon version. Spot metering was pretty much the same (I don't tend to use CW metering).

I also, like you, greatly prefer the Nikon method of selecting focus points with the joybutton. The Canon scheme of using the right thumb to hold down a button and then using both the finger wheel and dial to move the points was frustrating by comparison. I never did find that I needed more than 11 focus points out of the 45, and I prefer to manually select my point on a shot-by-shot basis, so the Nikon scheme works out much better for me.

I also love using my old AI series Nikkor manual focus primes. I can use them on the Canon via an adapter. That was a big plus over the D1H and D1X since they were not as compatible as I'd like with the old glass. Actually, the Canon was more compatible since one could have matrix metering with it and not the D1 series. However, the D2H fixes this. ;)

I have yet to really run the D2H alongside the 1D, but that will happen this weekend. I'm going to shoot quite a bit with both of them using the same lenses in most cases. I expect that the situation is one where the two cameras are 'the same thing only different'. If this is truly the case, then I see no reason to keep the 1D around. And, if the 1D goes, so do the Canon lenses.

I have settled out on a 4MP unit as my main body. That's enough resolution to handle my Epson 2200 at 12" wide, which is as large as I really need to print. I'm also adding a Kodak 720x to the kit to handle times when ISO 1600 is just not enough. I know that the 1D is pretty much at it's limit there, and from all I read, so is the D2H. That's fine. The 720x will go to ISO 6400 while dropping the resolution in half. From using the predecessor 620x alongside my original D1, I know it's good for 8x10's, and I can live with that trade-off.

I looked long and hard at the various higer resolution cameras. The Canon 1Ds and Kodak SLR/n and SLR/c, and the 1D-II - of course, that was what delayed my buying the D2H - waiting to see how the 1D-II was working out for others.

However, I really don't need to shoot at this level. If I get the feeling I need a bit more res than 4MP, then I'll buy a used Kodak 760 off of eBay. That'll do nearly as well as a 1Ds judging from a friend's side-by-side use of a 560 and 1Ds to produce 20x30" scenic prints. Heck, I like the F5 based designs quite well, even if they do resemble a brick. ;)

As far as lenses go, I'm going to make use of AI series manual focus Nikkors for most focal lengths. I have an AF 85/1.4D and plan on adding an AF 135/2DC and an AFS 300/4D. My zooms will be an AFS 12-24/4DX, AFS 80-200/2.8D and an AF 28-105/2.5-4.5D. That last is my favorite general purpose zoom in both the Nikon and Canon lineups.

Right about now, I'm sorry that I let my three f2.8 AFS zooms and AFS 300/4 go when I sold the D1H/D1X pair. :( Oh, well. Easy go. Easy Come. They still make these things, and with the AFS 70-200/2.8 VR being so popular, there are AFS 80-200/2.8's available for decent prices on the used market. ;)

For my 50mm, I'm returning to my favorite lens of all time. An AI 58mm f1.2 NOCT. Now, there is a lens to talk about! They don't make it any more, which is a pity as it's so nice. ;)

Stan
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Amateur Photographer
Professional Electronics Development Engineer

Once you start down the DSLR path, forever will it dominate your destiny! Consume your bank account, it will! Like it did mine! :)
 
Hi,

Yes, that's a cutie, all right. I used the original 45/2.8 GN on an FE with an SB-12 to document fire/rescue calls for 20 years. That was one compact package and I carted around in the truck every single day. ;)

Stan
Regit Young said:
Adding to the mix and if you don't mind manual lens, consider the
45mm/f2.8 P .... one sweet lens in a very small package :)
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Once you start down the DSLR path, forever will it dominate your destiny! Consume your bank account, it will! Like it did mine! :)
 
Pete Perry said:
So basically you think it's the better camera but not in all areas?
Do you shoot NEF?
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I probably will shoot NEF+JPG. Thats what I did/do with my Canon. Use the jpg for quick tings, and if there need to be adjustments (WB or exp) use the raw file.
Member said:
Also, about the lens seriously try the 28 - 70 and see what you
think because I think you'll find it rivals the best lenses on the
market.
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I believe that the 28-70 is great. But with the 1.5 factor I think its not the greatest range. I would like to have a "mid-zoom" which I also can use as walkaround lens. At the other side it still should deliever good quality
Member said:
Thomas Streng said:
Pete Perry said:
So far you must have really liked it a lot... is the D2h better
all around than the 1D in your opinion? If it really isn't then I
guess I would ask why look at switching?
Click to expand...
difficult question. I dont think image quality of d2h is better
than 1d. However I really think the AF and flash photography is
better. I also do like the loewer weight of the d2H, and the lens
options (i.e.18-70 or 17-55)
Member said:
Member said:
Any comments on the lens choice? If you guys had the Nikon 12-22
and the 70-200VR, which one would you add in the middle as an
allaround lens (which i.e. can be taken on hikes, vacation etc. -
so weight is an issue too).
Click to expand...
In between those it is doubtful that you'll find a better lens than
the 28 - 70 f/2.8 AFS.

--
'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to
deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it
shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln
Click to expand...
--
Regards,
TOM
Click to expand...
--
'The probability that we may fall in the struggle ought not to
deter us from the support of a cause we believe to be just; it
shall not deter me.' -- Abraham Lincoln
Click to expand...
--
Regards,
TOM
 
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