How to stop ppl downloading pics from website

All of these are either really annoying or ugly. The best way IMO
is to put an invisible gif over the image so when they right-click
they'll save the 1 KB invisible image instead of the image they
thought they were saving.
How do you do that?
Using DHTML (Dynamic HTML) allows you to create "layers" of content that overlap each other. So you can easily place a stretched-out transparent GIF on top of other content.

However, this just makes it a little harder. The other image will still be in the browser cache folder, and you can still use "Print Scrn" to save the entire display to the clipboard.

Mike
 
There is no way to stop it. If you can see it then then alt-print screen will copy it to the clip board everytime... Not to mention it goes straight to the user's temp internet files folder the minute the page loads....

Regards-

Karbo
I'm about to start work on a website to display my work (purely on
a private basis, rather than as a business), and I'd quite like a
way to stop people stealing my images, as has been discussed on
this website several times before. My options at the moment seem to
be:

Disable right mouse clicks
Use a big watermark across the whole image
Use Flash for the website

Disabling right mouse clicks doesn't seem like a feasible option,
because it's easy enough to view source and download the image
directly, or use that horrible Internet Explorer image toolbar to
save it anyway.
Not to mention that there are perfectly valid choices in the
right-mouse-click menu that have nothing to do with saving an
image. What if somebody wants to click on a link and open it in a
new window?

I gotta say, about half the time I see this sort of thing, I'm
tempted to save the pictures off and EMAIL them back to the webpage
author to demonstrate that all they're really doing is annoying
people.
I'm not a big fan of the watermark idea...
This doesn't really stop people from getting the images, it just
stops the images from being worth getting.
but can't
really be bothered learning how to use Flash (I'm building the site
using ASP.NET and I haven't got time to learn how to combine the
two!).
That's a lot like saying you don't know how to combine your
submarine sandwich with your diet coke. They're not at all
mutually exclusive and there's no great trick involved in using
them together.

To use a Flash object in a webpage simply requires a particular
combination of HTML that supplies the correct parameters. If
you're using ASP.NET to generate webpages dynamically on the
server, then you just have to make your script generate (or include
from another file) the appropriate HTML at the appropriate place in
the page.

But even if you use Flash, all anybody has to do is hit the "Print
Scrn" key on their keyboard and a copy of the current screen will
be placed on the clipboard, from where it can be saved off.
One other option I considered was splitting each image up
into, say, four parts and using a cunning table layout to piece
them back together in the browser, but cross-browser compatibility
might be an issue there.
This isn't likely to cause browser problems, but again, all anybody
has to do is use the "Print Scrn" key.
Does anyone have any other ideas on how I can stop people
downloading or copying my pictures and using them as their own?
Thanks, it's much appreciated. Apologies if this isn't the right
forum but I couldn't see any other this message would particularly
fit in and I figured lots of people here will have sites! :)
It's ultimately impossible. I guarantee you that an experienced
user will be able to get your image no matter what you do. Some
methods may thwart some users, but nothing's going to thwart
everybody.

I love it when I get the chance to use "thwart" in a sentence. ;^)

Mike
 
Mike Fulton wrote:

It's ultimately impossible. I guarantee you that an experienced
user will be able to get your image no matter what you do. Some
methods may thwart some users, but nothing's going to thwart
everybody.

I love it when I get the chance to use "thwart" in a sentence. ;^)

Mike
 
I like the signed matte idea the best but it is still a distraction. If someone is going to save your image, and they are going to be happy with a 35 kb or less image, they are obviously not interested in framing it for the living room meaning they wouldn't pay a nickel for it anyway. They won't be submitting it for print anywhere and receiving unjust compensation because there are laws and the penalties are stiff. Come on, don't be so paranoid that the world wants to steal your pictures and think you're losing money.

Heaven forbid someone cuts a pretty picture out of a magazine, or record a movie off the TV, or a song off the stereo. This world's paranoia about copyright infringement is about out of control.
 
When Amazon initiated their searchable books feature, they stated that the "pics" could not be saved....

It took me about 15 minutes to get around this with a DL utility.....

In short, like other people posted here, if it is on the web, it can be captured. make your pics "small", relatively speaking.

it is impossible to stop the determined.

--
regards,

FB
http://zha4fh.blogspot.com/
 
I've rarely seen any images on the web worth "stealing". What do you expect people to do with an 800 x 600 image anyway? Unless you go with the very expensive Digimarc system you can't prevent people from "stealing" your images.
 
When Amazon initiated their searchable books feature, they stated
that the "pics" could not be saved....

It took me about 15 minutes to get around this with a DL utility.....
Like wget? http://wget.sunsite.dk/

wget is a handy command line program that lets you suck a web page (or entire site), and all its images down to your hard disk.

Wayne Larmon
 
There's a meta-tag which you can use to suppress the IE toolbar display.

I'm with the "don't bother" guys on this. It's pretty common to give away little cards to promote one's work.... of course they too have little pictures on them, often of higher quality than the web stuff. People who steal low qauality stuff are generally unlikely to be potential customers for your high quality output.

My strategy:

(a) Bad people will steal stuff from the web, so make it small.

(b) Get nice people to ask you for permission to use a picture, and give it. You might sell them something else (a bigger copy?) in the process.

(c) I try to stop people resizing or otherwise screwing up my pictures, or if they do, then make sure they don't credit me.

(d) Where a commerical site steals a picture, politely follow it up and either give it away for a credit, get them to remove it, or sell them something.

The only tricky bit is keeping an eye on where things are used. You can do nothing abour "private" use, but public website use is a bit easier to track down.

The Digimark stuff uses "steganography". It doesn't help that much in proving that an image is yours; it's fairly easy to do that anyway. I'm not sure if they have any web-crawling techniques based on that... I will go and check. You could of course claim digimark protection without actually having it, but it's not clear that the sort of people who might rip you off would know what it meant.

--
Phil
http://www.wigglesworld.klebos.com/
 
Whoa - massive response! Thanks very much for all your replies - I think they've pretty much confirmed what I already knew but didn't want to admit to myself. I'll probably plump for small pictures at 72dpi and lower quality than I would usually go for.

And to those people who suggested that my paranoia may be unjustified, I would respond that I'm not worried about people stealing my pictures for any sort of financial gain. They're not that good, for one thing. But I have put time and effort into these pictures; they are being put onto the web to hopefully provide enjoyment for other people. But I'd at least like to try and keep tabs on where my pictures end up! Anyway, I didn't intend for this to turn into a big discussion about the rights and wrongs of the digital world, so I'll stop now!

Thanks once again,
H
There's a meta-tag which you can use to suppress the IE toolbar
display.

I'm with the "don't bother" guys on this. It's pretty common to
give away little cards to promote one's work.... of course they too
have little pictures on them, often of higher quality than the web
stuff. People who steal low qauality stuff are generally unlikely
to be potential customers for your high quality output.

My strategy:

(a) Bad people will steal stuff from the web, so make it small.

(b) Get nice people to ask you for permission to use a picture, and
give it. You might sell them something else (a bigger copy?) in the
process.

(c) I try to stop people resizing or otherwise screwing up my
pictures, or if they do, then make sure they don't credit me.

(d) Where a commerical site steals a picture, politely follow it up
and either give it away for a credit, get them to remove it, or
sell them something.

The only tricky bit is keeping an eye on where things are used. You
can do nothing abour "private" use, but public website use is a bit
easier to track down.

The Digimark stuff uses "steganography". It doesn't help that much
in proving that an image is yours; it's fairly easy to do that
anyway. I'm not sure if they have any web-crawling techniques based
on that... I will go and check. You could of course claim digimark
protection without actually having it, but it's not clear that the
sort of people who might rip you off would know what it meant.

--
Phil
http://www.wigglesworld.klebos.com/
 
is to put an invisible gif over the image so when they right-click
they'll save the 1 KB invisible image instead of the image they
thought they were saving.
Using DHTML (Dynamic HTML) allows you to create "layers" of content
that overlap each other. So you can easily place a stretched-out
transparent GIF on top of other content.
Ah, ok. I've not ever played with DHTML.
However, this just makes it a little harder.
Indeed. We definitely can't prevent determined people, but quite basic protection will guard against the lazy/non-tech 99%.

Ben

--
Photo section: http://www.benlovejoy.com/photography/
Photo gallery: http://www.benlovejoy.com/photography/photos/
 
The lazy non-tecnical types are of little concern. You should expect pictures that you post to be downloaded. All of the methods to stop downloading can be overcome. If the person is intent on stealing or using the image illegally, the solutions mentioned above won't stop them.
 
and right click to your hearts content.
I forgot about scrolling to the top left of an image in IE. The
print, save, etc., icon bar pops up. It's possible to save the JPEG
using that method. I guess Fuzzy wrote the Java before that feature
was available.

Jim Herndon
Look at the source code on:
http://www.duenkel.com/page2.html

Jim Herndon
Hi,

I'm about to start work on a website to display my work (purely on
a private basis, rather than as a business), and I'd quite like a
way to stop people stealing my images, as has been discussed on
this website several times before. My options at the moment seem to
be:

Disable right mouse clicks
Use a big watermark across the whole image
Use Flash for the website

Disabling right mouse clicks doesn't seem like a feasible option,
because it's easy enough to view source and download the image
directly, or use that horrible Internet Explorer image toolbar to
save it anyway. I'm not a big fan of the watermark idea, but can't
really be bothered learning how to use Flash (I'm building the site
using ASP.NET and I haven't got time to learn how to combine the
two!). One other option I considered was splitting each image up
into, say, four parts and using a cunning table layout to piece
them back together in the browser, but cross-browser compatibility
might be an issue there.

Does anyone have any other ideas on how I can stop people
downloading or copying my pictures and using them as their own?
Thanks, it's much appreciated. Apologies if this isn't the right
forum but I couldn't see any other this message would particularly
fit in and I figured lots of people here will have sites! :)
 
They're not entitled to use my images for a screensaver or to send
to a friend without compensating me for the value they receive. If
they want their friend to see the free image, they can send them to
my web site which will have a watermark on the image to prevent
theft.

The majority of PC users these days don't understand copyright law
and think it's OK to download my images. It's not OK with me.
Actually, you're mistaken. That user is perfectly entitled to use your images as a background or screensaver. You told your webserver to send them the image, once they have the image they can keep it as long as they want and display it as much as they wish, without your consent.

Tis truth. Think of what copyright law forbids and who (you) is actually doping the initial copy.

Deal with it by using the low-res pictures as an advertisment.
 
is to put an invisible gif over the image so when they right-click
they'll save the 1 KB invisible image instead of the image they
thought they were saving.
Using DHTML (Dynamic HTML) allows you to create "layers" of content
that overlap each other. So you can easily place a stretched-out
transparent GIF on top of other content.
Ah, ok. I've not ever played with DHTML.
However, this just makes it a little harder.
Indeed. We definitely can't prevent determined people, but quite
basic protection will guard against the lazy/non-tech 99%.
Well, leaving aside for the moment the question of how accurate "99%" really is, you have to keep in mind that anybody who's really interested in stealing images for any truly nefarious purpose is not very likely to be part of that "non-tech" group.

Besides... my brother in law is about as "non-tech" as they come, with regards to the computer anyway, and even he knows how to grab images from the cache folder or how to do a screen snapshot. I think you'd be surprised at how many non-power users know at least ONE trick like that.

Mike
 
So many people think that copyright is something you do, and that copyright is 100% control over the image regardless of availability.

It's like saying that a wallet buyer MUST remove the stock photograph of a model, and MUST destroy it. If someone wants to thumbtack the pretty girl to their cubicle wall, they're free to do so.
They're not entitled to use my images for a screensaver or to send
to a friend without compensating me for the value they receive. If
they want their friend to see the free image, they can send them to
my web site which will have a watermark on the image to prevent
theft.

The majority of PC users these days don't understand copyright law
and think it's OK to download my images. It's not OK with me.
Actually, you're mistaken. That user is perfectly entitled to use
your images as a background or screensaver. You told your webserver
to send them the image, once they have the image they can keep it
as long as they want and display it as much as they wish, without
your consent.

Tis truth. Think of what copyright law forbids and who (you) is
actually doping the initial copy.

Deal with it by using the low-res pictures as an advertisment.
--
[ e d @ h a l l e y . c c ] http://www.halley.cc/pix/
 
They can't change the intended use.

If the original intent is to display on my webpage, they can't unilaterally make the decision to change it's use to a screensaver.

Just like if you rent a movie from Blockbuster, that doesn't give you the right to make a copy to continue viewing for yourself forever and it doesn't give you the right to show the movie in a public setting such as at a movie theater.

I agree with you that the answer is to use low-res web color images.
William Night wrote:
Actually, you're mistaken. That user is perfectly entitled to use
your images as a background or screensaver. You told your webserver
to send them the image, once they have the image they can keep it
as long as they want and display it as much as they wish, without
your consent.

Tis truth. Think of what copyright law forbids and who (you) is
actually doping the initial copy.

Deal with it by using the low-res pictures as an advertisment.
 
They can't change the intended use.
The intended use has no weight. As the other poster said, if I take the wallet photos from my new wallet and stick them on my wall it's perfectly acceptable.

Copyright only controls copying (and public display). If their actions don't involve copying, there's nothing you can do.
 
I'm not a copyright expert, but I do know people who have copied, or paid to have copied, magazine photos and articles and posted them in frames on the walls of their shops. When I questioned the legitimacy of such actions, I was told that as long as it was not for profit, or as long as it was for educatinal purposes only it was legal. I never checked with any lawyers regarding this, but I am sure there are many lawyers who visit the shops and no one says anything about the posted articles and magazines. And these are from famous widely circulated publications. GC
 

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