nikon90s
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I was told that the d70 has mirror lock so when taking a slow speed shot you can lock the mirror up before you shoot. Is this true> ?
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mirror lock up
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Mr. Click
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No...
Photograph—a 1/125 second slice of time that is able to store
decades of memories.
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Photograph—a 1/125 second slice of time that is able to store
decades of memories.
It has a mirror lockup function for cleaning the image sensor but you can't use it in conjunction with an exposure.
nikon90s
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That is what I thought but is nikon stuck in the stone ages? That should be a bacis function
Thanks for the info I will get mine on friday.
Thanks for the info I will get mine on friday.
S40Jon
Well-known member
One solution to this problem for long exposures is to borrow a very old trick from the beginnings of photography. Before the shutter was invented, the photographer exposed his/her plates by removing the lens cap and replacing it.
You can do the same. Use a neutral density filter to extend exposure times if necessary. You'll also need an infrared remote release.
Set your D70 to "Bulb" see --
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=8789754 .
Now, cover your lens with a dark slide or black sheet of paper.
Release shutter using the infrared remote. Wait for camera to settle down on the tripod.
Remove slide or paper carefully, making sure not to jar camera, make exposure.
Close the open shutter by clicking your remote once again.
Viola -- a stilled long exposure.
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You can do the same. Use a neutral density filter to extend exposure times if necessary. You'll also need an infrared remote release.
Set your D70 to "Bulb" see --
http://forums.dpreview.com/forums/read.asp?forum=1034&message=8789754 .
Now, cover your lens with a dark slide or black sheet of paper.
Release shutter using the infrared remote. Wait for camera to settle down on the tripod.
Remove slide or paper carefully, making sure not to jar camera, make exposure.
Close the open shutter by clicking your remote once again.
Viola -- a stilled long exposure.
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I have contacted Nikon Japan and suggested they include the mirror lock up function in a new firmware release. As the camera already has a mirror lift function implemented, all they have to do is enable the shutter when the mirror is up in firmware and hey presto...mirror lock function.
Here's hoping they listen.....
Here's hoping they listen.....
Thats no good if you jsut want a 1/2 to 1/20 second shutter speed though 
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And reguardless of that people say the mirror vibration does effect the images.
I was taking 300mm macros tonight to look at the texture of an ink blob on paper.
1/500 with flash it was perfectly sharp couldn't ask for a better shot. Without flash at speeds from 1/2 to 1/20... every shot was ugly( the shot with flash was definately twice as sharp as the shot without so that would point to the mirror vibration doing quite alot to the sharpness of the image.
And in a case like that I think mirror lock up would of made the iamge jsut as sharp as the flash as I doubt the vibration from the shutter would of reduced the sharpness as much as the mirror.
)And reguardless of that people say the mirror vibration does effect the images.
I was taking 300mm macros tonight to look at the texture of an ink blob on paper.
1/500 with flash it was perfectly sharp couldn't ask for a better shot. Without flash at speeds from 1/2 to 1/20... every shot was ugly
( the shot with flash was definately twice as sharp as the shot without so that would point to the mirror vibration doing quite alot to the sharpness of the image.And in a case like that I think mirror lock up would of made the iamge jsut as sharp as the flash as I doubt the vibration from the shutter would of reduced the sharpness as much as the mirror.
nikon90s
Well-known member
Ok I know I am spinning my wheels here but I want to start a petition on this and send it to Nikon. Anyone else with me on this. If so how should we go about it? Should I just start a thread on the forum? Or is there a better venue for an undertaking like this?
By the way the friend who told me it did, I just asked and heard it from the Nikon Sales rep. that the d70 has MLU.
By the way the friend who told me it did, I just asked and heard it from the Nikon Sales rep. that the d70 has MLU.
And reguardless of that people say the mirror vibration does effect
the images.
I was taking 300mm macros tonight to look at the texture of an ink
blob on paper.
1/500 with flash it was perfectly sharp couldn't ask for a better
shot. Without flash at speeds from 1/2 to 1/20... every shot was
ugly
shot without so that would point to the mirror vibration doing
quite alot to the sharpness of the image.
And in a case like that I think mirror lock up would of made the
iamge jsut as sharp as the flash as I doubt the vibration from the
shutter would of reduced the sharpness as much as the mirror.
Steven S
Forum Pro
Steven S
Forum Pro
At least with my D2H it's called Exposure Delay. The mirror goes up .4 sec before the pic is taken. Man, what do you want in a sub-1k camera, anyway? You can't have everything the far more expensive cams have and still keep the costs down.
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Steve S
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Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
Mikhail Bogdanov
Veteran Member
Not sure if this will work (and how to do this), but I'm with you on this. IMO, lack of MLU is the major D70's flaw. I'm afraid we can only hope that MLU can be used with new firmware. When I got D70 I didn't read the specs well enough and didn't realize that MLU is only for CCD cleaning (I would buy it again without any second thoughts).
Regards
Regards
I know from the previews and reviews that I was reading on the D70 before i got mine I was under the impression that it did have MLU for shot taking so was quite disappointed that it dind't have it as it seemed like it did from what everyone was saying.
nikon90s
Well-known member
I know what it is! If you would have read my posts I was told from someone who talk to a Nikon Rep. that the camera had it and I wanted to ask owner of the camera if it did.
Please explain why adding a MIRROR LOCK UP is going to add hundreds of dollars to the cost the d70?
Why are you slumming down here with us "sub-1k camera" users anyway Mr. D2H owner? Shouldn't you be hanging with the cool kids?
Please explain why adding a MIRROR LOCK UP is going to add hundreds of dollars to the cost the d70?
Why are you slumming down here with us "sub-1k camera" users anyway Mr. D2H owner? Shouldn't you be hanging with the cool kids?
Yeah but come on MLU.... it's not exactly a "pro" feature and I don't see someone getting a D2H or spending twice as much on a camera or something just to get MLU... i'm sure anyone that wanted it would get the D70 without it rather then get a more expensive camera to have it so I don't see Nikon missing out on sales of the more expensive camera's if they gave the D70 MLU for shooting.
Raymond Bradlau
Veteran Member
Now I agree MLU would be nice but I have not been able to duplicate you findings (I have tried)
200mm,1/4th sec,5.6 aperture,100% crop,HUGE studio stand/tripod (on a concreat floor)
Now outside with a 300mm I was unable to see any difference becasue things like wind and my tripod had a much larger effect on image sharpness than the tiny little well damped mirror in the D70/D2h (my old Canon A1 showed the effect of mirror slap much more and with my Bronica I use MLU often)
Id say there would be many things MOST shooters could improve before getting worked up about MLU (If you are using a flimsy 4 pound Slik tripod you have bigger fish to fry)
The commings of not having MLU can be worked around buy using longer shutter speeds like 1sec or faster like 1/30th
I think when comparing flash exposure to MLU/no MLU, flash will win every time as your effective shutter speed will be the time of the flash duration so camera shake would be almost impossible
http://www.pbase.com/ray645
200mm,1/4th sec,5.6 aperture,100% crop,HUGE studio stand/tripod (on a concreat floor)
Now outside with a 300mm I was unable to see any difference becasue things like wind and my tripod had a much larger effect on image sharpness than the tiny little well damped mirror in the D70/D2h (my old Canon A1 showed the effect of mirror slap much more and with my Bronica I use MLU often)
Id say there would be many things MOST shooters could improve before getting worked up about MLU (If you are using a flimsy 4 pound Slik tripod you have bigger fish to fry)
The commings of not having MLU can be worked around buy using longer shutter speeds like 1sec or faster like 1/30th
I think when comparing flash exposure to MLU/no MLU, flash will win every time as your effective shutter speed will be the time of the flash duration so camera shake would be almost impossible
--And reguardless of that people say the mirror vibration does effect
the images.
I was taking 300mm macros tonight to look at the texture of an ink
blob on paper.
1/500 with flash it was perfectly sharp couldn't ask for a better
shot. Without flash at speeds from 1/2 to 1/20... every shot was
ugly
shot without so that would point to the mirror vibration doing
quite alot to the sharpness of the image.
And in a case like that I think mirror lock up would of made the
iamge jsut as sharp as the flash as I doubt the vibration from the
shutter would of reduced the sharpness as much as the mirror.
http://www.pbase.com/ray645
nikon90s
Well-known member
200mm,1/4th sec,5.6 aperture,100% crop,HUGE studio stand/tripod (on
a concreat floor)
Now outside with a 300mm I was unable to see any difference becasue
things like wind and my tripod had a much larger effect on image
sharpness than the tiny little well damped mirror in the D70/D2h
(my old Canon A1 showed the effect of mirror slap much more and
with my Bronica I use MLU often)
Id say there would be many things MOST shooters could improve
before getting worked up about MLU (If you are using a flimsy 4
pound Slik tripod you have bigger fish to fry)
The commings of not having MLU can be worked around buy using
longer shutter speeds like 1sec or faster like 1/30th
I think when comparing flash exposure to MLU/no MLU, flash will win
every time as your effective shutter speed will be the time of the
flash duration so camera shake would be almost impossible
--And reguardless of that people say the mirror vibration does effect
the images.
I was taking 300mm macros tonight to look at the texture of an ink
blob on paper.
1/500 with flash it was perfectly sharp couldn't ask for a better
shot. Without flash at speeds from 1/2 to 1/20... every shot was
ugly
shot without so that would point to the mirror vibration doing
quite alot to the sharpness of the image.
And in a case like that I think mirror lock up would of made the
iamge jsut as sharp as the flash as I doubt the vibration from the
shutter would of reduced the sharpness as much as the mirror.
http://www.pbase.com/ray645
Steven S
Forum Pro
and that's why I also frequent this forum...that is, if it's ok with you. If you don't want my accurate, sound advice, then just ignore it, it's that simple. The Mirror Lock feature on the D70, I repeat, is for cleaning your CCD only, and nothing more. I could've SWORN you wanted to know what it was used for. My bad for assuming :-/ What do I know :-/
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Steve S
http://www.pbase.com/sshyone
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Steve S
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nikon90s
Well-known member
You have an "I am better then you" way of talking to people, and I for one did not like it. I have read other posts you made and you some are good and other time you talk down to people this was one of those times. I was just looking for an answer to a question and got it with the very first post. DONE!! I wrote nothing about mirror lock not being used for cleaning the CCD go back and check and while you are there look agent at what I was asking.
This is all I am going to write about this side track thanks for your time Steven S.
This is all I am going to write about this side track thanks for your time Steven S.
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