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Dr. J said:
bye bye
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It seems that there are those who think Nikon can do no wrong, even when they admit to the backfocus problem. It seems that more people are defending Nikon than those who sympathesize with the poor consumer who paid a thousand dollars and ended up with a camera that is faulty. I hope Nikon can come up with a DSLR that is both problem free and has a better flash system than the i-TTL system. If Fuji can find a way to implement old fashioned off the film plane TTL, how come Nikon and Canon cannot? Until Nikon has fixed both problems, my Nikon and Nikon compatible lenses will only find themselves mounted on a Nikon film camera.
 
Jola said:
He has every right to expect better quality from a company like Nikon.

This not an isolated lemon, as can happen with modern day
production lines - it is a serious Quality Control problem and
reflects very badly on Nikon.
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Yes, it is a quality control issue, and yes it is bad for a company that has a reputation for high quality products. I think it happened because Nikon had to rush the D70 to the market and at the same time had to start a new factory in a foreign country to bring down prices.

The quality control problem will be fixed when the workers and the supervisors at the new factory gain experience. That will only happen with time.

Give the new factory a few years, and the quality of its products will be the same as the Japan factories.
 
If you ever figure out the cause of the comon cold, feed the world and can find the PERFECT camera that is close to perfect please lets us know. I thought I had it along time a go with a F3HP, then with a F4 , a F5. Then to digitial, a D70 and a D2H. Still have my old EOS1 and I still have a very trusted Hasselblad 501CM awaiting the day when a digital back is ready for that camara made by Hasselblad. None of the above are perfect or close to it. It's just a darn tool, the skill comes in the technique, developing, Image Editing then printing. Plan and simple as it gets.
ken213 said:
As much as I hate to say goodbye, I cannot deal with a camera that
backfocuses! I refuse to repair a new camera just bought! And I'm
not going to keep thowing the dice until I hit a winner!

Nikon better fix this QC problem pronto, or a lot of other people
with the D70 will be abandoning ship!

Backfocus occured with 50mm 1.4D at all apertures in all shooting
modes! I heard about this problem before I bought the D70, but I
thought it just wouldn't happen to me. Now I know!

Ken
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...is what some seem to expect. Every time that shutter is pressed. Photography is fun and challenging but it aint THAT easy.

AX
 
..in the real world. If a small percentage of a product DO have an issue this it not the end of the world. Just deal with your merchant first and then Nikon if need be. It's not that hard.

AX
 
I think you have a valid point! If you buy something you shouldn't have to return it for calibration. I have had two which have had horrendous back focus problems and before anyone suggests I don't know how to use a camera I have been working as a pro for twenty years (I also teach).

I am tired of everyone deriding those that have had problems with their camera, to suggest Nikon gets their act together is almost sacrilegious! We live in an age where market forces rule and in this case Nikon have not done themselves any favours. I advise a local college on what equipment to buy, after my experiences with faulty cameras I have had to say go the Canon route.

Obviously manufacturing faults can occur, but Nikon would have done better to admit to the problem and come clean……..in reality their silence has been deafening.

Buying a camera from them has become a lottery, one that I have failed to win twice….I am not going to try a third time.
ken213 said:
As much as I hate to say goodbye, I cannot deal with a camera that
backfocuses! I refuse to repair a new camera just bought! And I'm
not going to keep thowing the dice until I hit a winner!

Nikon better fix this QC problem pronto, or a lot of other people
with the D70 will be abandoning ship!

Backfocus occured with 50mm 1.4D at all apertures in all shooting
modes! I heard about this problem before I bought the D70, but I
thought it just wouldn't happen to me. Now I know!

Ken
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I have an N90s I'm very happy with.
I have tried the D70 and had terrible focus problems.

I posted several times about the D70 because it's pretty obvious it's a camera with a bad case of caveat emptor until Nikon gets its act together.
I've posted in the 1D* forums.

I wouldn't even try to bother to "prove" I've got focusing problems by posting images to people that don't want to hear it. I've seen plently of other obviously very experienced photographers try and be shouted down by arguments bordering upon religious faith.

And I jumped ship from Nikon yeterday to a 1Ds whose limitations don't prevent me from getting the shots I want.

Frankly, I've been waiting for Nikon/Kodak/Fuji etc. to catch up with Canon for the last 2 years and produce a decent full frame hi-res DSLR for outdoor work and have finally run out of patience. Life is too short to keep waiting or bitching - I'm off to take photos, so you won't see me posting about D70 issues anymore either.

I'll keep my excellent Nikon lenses - who knows maybe one of these years Nikon will produce a DSLR on the F5 or similar capable of producing quality large prints of group portraits. There's lots to like about Nikon stuff and the D70, but when the eyes are out of focus, who cares?

--len
Corren said:
He tries to sound all nice with his "dear blahblah" junk, he has no
proof of his backfocus. I say he never even had a D70. On the Nikon
talk forum, I called his bluff and told him to show some pictures
then, and no response for 20 hours, yet he's here talking about his
N90 this, and blah blah that.

I call bullcrap for the second time.

This guy is a troll, he's just creating more confusion about
backfocus, and this kind of junk doesn't help.

Look at his profile history here:

http://www.dpreview.com/forums/postersprofile.asp?poster=hiimikivhvik

All the topics start out "Dear blah" as though he's sincere and a
nice guy. I don't buy it. This guy is patholigical. Look at all his
posts before he started TWO identical "Goodbye nikon" posts. 100%
in Canon or Open talk. He doesn't even talk about the claimed "D70
or N90" And if you've bought a D70 would you really be posting
prime questions in the 1ds/10d forums?

Sick of this negative propaganda against the D70...

--Corren (my name is also Ken but I don't want to be associated
with this trash)
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--len
 
Unfortunately not.

The option is to send a brand new camera in for repair, wait for 4 weeks, and hope it will be fixed. Even then, there are many reports that the repair was not successful. Dealer exchange is not an option because it is sold out at most places. Nikon USA could make a deal with Nikon Canada that we could use their repair facilities for the D70 that would at least reduce the waiting period. I fully agree to the corporate ethics statement.

It is interesting to see that Nikon Europe did not even repair but exchanged the bodies in several cases.
msport said:
..but the options open to you are easy and obvious.

AX
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Phil Askey, who probably knows the workings of a digital camera as well as anyone, states in his review of the D70 that it backfocuses with certain lenses. But thanks anyway.

By the way, I bought my D70 from RitzCamera.com, because it seemed where many Nikonians were going. Otherwise, I agree that you should only go to reputable dealers. By the way, if there's someone more reputable than Ritz, please let me know. Thanks.

ken

P.S. Nikon should ship the D70 properly calibrated the first time. It's not my responsibility to help them with Quality Control.
 
I could not agree more.
Martin Shakeshaft said:
I am tired of everyone deriding those that have had problems with
their camera, to suggest Nikon gets their act together is almost
sacrilegious! We live in an age where market forces rule and in
this case Nikon have not done themselves any favours. I advise a
local college on what equipment to buy, after my experiences with
faulty cameras I have had to say go the Canon route.

Obviously manufacturing faults can occur, but Nikon would have done
better to admit to the problem and come clean……..in reality their
silence has been deafening.

Buying a camera from them has become a lottery, one that I have
failed to win twice….I am not going to try a third time.
ken213 said:
As much as I hate to say goodbye, I cannot deal with a camera that
backfocuses! I refuse to repair a new camera just bought! And I'm
not going to keep thowing the dice until I hit a winner!

Nikon better fix this QC problem pronto, or a lot of other people
with the D70 will be abandoning ship!

Backfocus occured with 50mm 1.4D at all apertures in all shooting
modes! I heard about this problem before I bought the D70, but I
thought it just wouldn't happen to me. Now I know!

Ken
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I'm quite happy with my N90s and lens collection, so when I switch to the Canon, I'll be keeping them. But thanks for the offer.

Ken

P.S. Nice galery, by the way!
 
ken213 said:
Please don't call me names. I was just letting you know what
happened to me with the D70/50mm 1.4D. Peace.

Ken
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I think that ken213 is right; I look for feedback on forums and will accept any data.

I for instance, just received a D70 down here in Mexico and the mount has a contact problem which results in the disconnection of the CPU. The problem manifests itself by making it appear as if there is a non-CPU lens connected. AF stops working unless pressure is applied in the correct place on the lens. I'm not swearing off Nikon, but feel others should know that problems arise which are fairly subtle. The shop which sold it to me can't help and now I'm forced to resolve from down here.

BTW, If you are interested in how much advantage there is in using larger files when posting on the web, I have posted images taken with a D70 at different quality levels on my family website at http://www.dacus.org/image-quality/
 
broken said:
you'll never be satisfied. problems happen, recalls happen. that's
why there are repair shops. nikon and canon both have had
backfocus issues and everything, if you expect every product you
buy to be 100% perfect then you should go live in a hut somewhere
and make everything you need for yourself (and then hope you never
make a mistake).
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That's a rediculous, patronizing response. There are widespread reports of backfocus problems with these cameras, and I think any consumer is wise to avoid products with serious quality problems.
 
dilbertdroid2 said:
broken said:
you'll never be satisfied. problems happen, recalls happen. that's
why there are repair shops. nikon and canon both have had
backfocus issues and everything, if you expect every product you
buy to be 100% perfect then you should go live in a hut somewhere
and make everything you need for yourself (and then hope you never
make a mistake).
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That's a rediculous, patronizing response. There are widespread
reports of backfocus problems with these cameras, and I think any
consumer is wise to avoid products with serious quality problems.
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dilbertdroid2 said:
broken said:
you'll never be satisfied. problems happen, recalls happen. that's
why there are repair shops. nikon and canon both have had
backfocus issues and everything, if you expect every product you
buy to be 100% perfect then you should go live in a hut somewhere
and make everything you need for yourself (and then hope you never
make a mistake).
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That's a rediculous, patronizing response. There are widespread
reports of backfocus problems with these cameras, and I think any
consumer is wise to avoid products with serious quality problems.
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One only needs to check your posting record to see that you are a Canon shill. Why are you posting here, if not to TROLL?

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