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Michael,

Are you now saying that the previously advertised "Sunset Profile" is not included in the current V3.5? This just goes from bad to worse.

I was really annoyed when I discovered that V3.5 does not include a proper fix for the "neon yellow/green" problem (which is due to a fault in the RAW conversion process), however I was, to some extent, reassured by the promise of the special "Sunset Profile" which (I am told) goes a long way to providing a viable work-around. So are you now saying that this profile in not included? Sheesh - I despair.

A fix to this problem should have been given a high priority a year ago.

To finish on a good note, thank you for sorting out the 16-bit conversion, third-party profiles and noise slider issues. At least V3.5 LE has not actually gone backwards even though it has not gone forwards as much as I would have liked!

Terry.
MichaelT said:
Bob D. said:
Thanks Michael
MichaelT said:
[snip]

Full fix will be in October amd also ETC profile should be better
when he releases it..soon.

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Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
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Bob
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Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
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Member said:
Now, just to rub salt in the wound, if I upgrade my current C1 LE
from 1.2 to 3.5 (costing me $29) in order to get the new 10D
'Sunset Profile' which, I am told, goes some way to solving this
problem, I will lose 16 BIT conversion. I should not be expected
to pay to have a faulty product fixed and in doing so lose
important functionality.
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Not any more. Please read Michael Tapes' statement "Here is the word .." further down in the thread.

Gerhard
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Doug Morgan said:
or do you have to use the trial version (until the 16bit version is
available)?
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  • New profiles, like the "Sunset" profiles are C1 Version 2 profiles (V2). Such profiles can tell the 3.5 version of the software to adjust both low-level color parameters as well as contain a matching high-level profile. The low- and high-level parameters depend on each other, and they can not be separated. From this, the new V2 profiles can NOT be used with any prior version of the software, since then only the high level part of the profile will be used, and this will give wrong results. And - new V2 profiles can not be substituted for old profiles when you are using the embed profile option either. You must develop again with new V2 profiles.
  • Old (V1) profiles does not contain any low-level color parameters, and can be used with both the prior and new 3.5 version of the software, and when such profiles are seen by the new software, the prior fixed internal low-level parameters are assumed - and things appear exactly as before.
This new concept means that new profiles can be issued for the new 3.5 version of the software that can describe camera color gamuts better than before - and also get i.e. better control of the bending of the Hues that can appear when saturation changes. At the same time the new software is backward compatible with prior profiles, so this is a novel implementation.

New V2 profiles have a better potential of getting things right than the prior profiles - but, it takes time to match up both the low level parameters and then refine the new high level profile content. I don't know what P1 plans for V2 profiles are, but they will probably re-issue some profiles in due time as well, and probably build new camera profiles as V2 profiles.

I am working on revised V2 profiles for some of the cameras that will be issued in the coming weeks, and I have already built some new profiles for the new cameras now supported, like the 1DmkII and some others. These will be issued next week. There will be more info at http://www.etcetera.cc later today ...

~~~~
Magne
 
This is not the first time PhaseOne has tried to put the squeeze on it's customers and to be frank, I don't trust then anymore. From their past history, this greedy policy will continue and I'm not putting up with it any longer.

I have compared over 600 RAW conversions using both C1 and CS and I find the CS conversions to be more to my liking. PhaseOne can do what ever they like as far as I'm concerned, I wouldn't play their game.

Glenn Haley
MichaelT said:
MichaelT said:
Michael, I don't currently use your program (but I've been thinking
about it). This post is kind of shocking; I'm surprised by the
decision to exclude 16-bit computations from the current release.
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I am trying to reverse this decision. I did not make it.
MichaelT said:
Regardless of your marketing decision to exclude 16-bit computation
from the current release, I would like to know (1) if there is any
Version 3.x that actually supports 16 bit computations (plus 3rd
party profiles)
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Yes, all versions except LE support 16 bit.

All versions will support 3rd party profiles by next week. Today
pro is definate and in place.

and (2) can I activate the software "today" using
MichaelT said:
an older version for my install?
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You will get a 15 or 30 day free trial (no restrictions) if you
install V3.5 today.
MichaelT said:
Thanks in advance for your reply.

Regards,

Joe Kurkjian, Pbase Supporter

http://www.pbase.com/jkurkjia



SEARCHING FOR A BETTER SELF PORTRAIT
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Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
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Hi Magne,

If we got your Etcetera camera profile as part of the C1 bundle bought through Michael Tapes, do we have to update those to version 2 for C1 3.5? If so, how do we do that?

Thanks,

Paul
Magne Nilsen said:
Doug Morgan said:
or do you have to use the trial version (until the 16bit version is
available)?
Click to expand...
  • New profiles, like the "Sunset" profiles are C1 Version 2
profiles (V2). Such profiles can tell the 3.5 version of the
software to adjust both low-level color parameters as well as
contain a matching high-level profile. The low- and high-level
parameters depend on each other, and they can not be separated.
From this, the new V2 profiles can NOT be used with any prior
version of the software, since then only the high level part of the
profile will be used, and this will give wrong results. And - new
V2 profiles can not be substituted for old profiles when you are
using the embed profile option either. You must develop again with
new V2 profiles.
  • Old (V1) profiles does not contain any low-level color
parameters, and can be used with both the prior and new 3.5 version
of the software, and when such profiles are seen by the new
software, the prior fixed internal low-level parameters are assumed
  • and things appear exactly as before.
This new concept means that new profiles can be issued for the new
3.5 version of the software that can describe camera color gamuts
better than before - and also get i.e. better control of the
bending of the Hues that can appear when saturation changes. At the
same time the new software is backward compatible with prior
profiles, so this is a novel implementation.
New V2 profiles have a better potential of getting things right
than the prior profiles - but, it takes time to match up both the
low level parameters and then refine the new high level profile
content. I don't know what P1 plans for V2 profiles are, but they
will probably re-issue some profiles in due time as well, and
probably build new camera profiles as V2 profiles.
I am working on revised V2 profiles for some of the cameras that
will be issued in the coming weeks, and I have already built some
new profiles for the new cameras now supported, like the 1DmkII and
some others. These will be issued next week. There will be more
info at http://www.etcetera.cc later today ...

~~~~
Magne
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Friends don't let friends measurebate
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MichaelT said:
New LE and SE versions with restored functionality are now
available at http://www.rawworkflow.com and http://www.c1dslr.com

--16 bit output
--Noide Reduction Sliders
--3rd party profile support

Thanks for everyone patience and feedback. We listended we
delivered :> )
--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
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This would be even better news if your server (www.rawworkflow.com)were up and running.
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-wick
 
Paul Sumi said:
Hi Magne,

If we got your Etcetera camera profile as part of the C1 bundle
bought through Michael Tapes, do we have to update those to version
2 for C1 3.5? If so, how do we do that?
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All "old" V1 profiles work just as before with the C1 3.5 release, and produces identical colors.
There will be more info at http://www.etcetera.cc later today...

~~~~
Magne
Paul Sumi said:
Magne Nilsen said:
Doug Morgan said:
or do you have to use the trial version (until the 16bit version is
available)?
Click to expand...
  • New profiles, like the "Sunset" profiles are C1 Version 2
profiles (V2). Such profiles can tell the 3.5 version of the
software to adjust both low-level color parameters as well as
contain a matching high-level profile. The low- and high-level
parameters depend on each other, and they can not be separated.
From this, the new V2 profiles can NOT be used with any prior
version of the software, since then only the high level part of the
profile will be used, and this will give wrong results. And - new
V2 profiles can not be substituted for old profiles when you are
using the embed profile option either. You must develop again with
new V2 profiles.
  • Old (V1) profiles does not contain any low-level color
parameters, and can be used with both the prior and new 3.5 version
of the software, and when such profiles are seen by the new
software, the prior fixed internal low-level parameters are assumed
  • and things appear exactly as before.
This new concept means that new profiles can be issued for the new
3.5 version of the software that can describe camera color gamuts
better than before - and also get i.e. better control of the
bending of the Hues that can appear when saturation changes. At the
same time the new software is backward compatible with prior
profiles, so this is a novel implementation.
New V2 profiles have a better potential of getting things right
than the prior profiles - but, it takes time to match up both the
low level parameters and then refine the new high level profile
content. I don't know what P1 plans for V2 profiles are, but they
will probably re-issue some profiles in due time as well, and
probably build new camera profiles as V2 profiles.
I am working on revised V2 profiles for some of the cameras that
will be issued in the coming weeks, and I have already built some
new profiles for the new cameras now supported, like the 1DmkII and
some others. These will be issued next week. There will be more
info at http://www.etcetera.cc later today ...

~~~~
Magne
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Make photographs, not equipment lists!
Friends don't let friends measurebate
http://www.pbase.com/pauls/
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Wick Smith said:
MichaelT said:
New LE and SE versions with restored functionality are now
available at http://www.rawworkflow.com and http://www.c1dslr.com

--16 bit output
--Noide Reduction Sliders
--3rd party profile support

Thanks for everyone patience and feedback. We listended we
delivered :> )
--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
Click to expand...
This would be even better news if your server
(www.rawworkflow.com)were up and running.
Click to expand...
It works - but is under pressure on connections and downloads.
Just keep hitting "reload" F5) in IE and it will come through...

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Magne
 
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