C1 LE New version DOWNGRADE??

Firstly, I really really like C1LE--and use it with 3rd party
profiles of Magne for all my camera bodies. I will not give it
up--but perhaps will not be able to upgrade either since 16 bit is
important. I will add my voice to others on the RAWworkflow site
to retain 16 bit in the upgrade to LE.
I agree Diane. I love C1 and would not like to have to rely on the raw converter in PS CS. However, I have had hard drive issues several times and had to reactivate my C1. If I no longer can do that, I would have no choice but to change my workflow to accomodate CS. I would not be buying the crippled version of C1.
Secondly--Michael has always been very responsive and I'm sure he's
putting in his opinion on this and will try to work with all of us.
AFAI'm concerned, he and Chris Breeze are 2 of the really 'good
guys' and I have tried to support both (for those of you who don't
know or remember, Michael developed Yarc Plus before his
affiliation with P1 and Chris Breeze developed Breezebrowser and
other software and continues to upgrade it--oh, lets add Magne
Nilsen to this good guy list too. There are certainly others--but
we're talking RAW 'stuff').
Thanks for the "good guy list". It is nice to know who they are and to support the folks who operate under ethical business practices!

Lisa

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LisaFX
http://www.pbase.com/lisafx
 
Now they are trying to go for the "push" which I
think will backfire. Would they really rather sell one high end
user SE for $250 rather than 10 run of the mill users for $100
each? We shall see I guess.
Maybe I'm just throwing more fuel on the fire here...

Pricing strategies aside, let's not forget the power of word of mouth. Many companies appreciate the value of referrals and word of mouth. As a method of advertising, it is low in cost, fast moving, and extremely effective. Who could ask for more?

The catch is, when the word of mouth is negative, the impact is amplified.

How many friends do you tell when you are satisfied (even quite happy) with a company's products or services? A few. Now how many do you tell when you are not satisfied? Anyone who will listen! Especially if you feel cheated and misled.

This could really come back to bite them in the butt.

James

--
http://www.jcsphoto.ca
Personal portfolio in progress. Feedback appreciated!
 
I know what you mean. I've been trying (with limited success) to keep myself out of the various C1-ACR-FVU debates but if C1 sticks to their decision they'll be one less voice on the C1 side -- I may be seduced by the dark side;-)

Doug
Now they are trying to go for the "push" which I
think will backfire. Would they really rather sell one high end
user SE for $250 rather than 10 run of the mill users for $100
each? We shall see I guess.
Maybe I'm just throwing more fuel on the fire here...

Pricing strategies aside, let's not forget the power of word of
mouth. Many companies appreciate the value of referrals and word of
mouth. As a method of advertising, it is low in cost, fast moving,
and extremely effective. Who could ask for more?

The catch is, when the word of mouth is negative, the impact is
amplified.

How many friends do you tell when you are satisfied (even quite
happy) with a company's products or services? A few. Now how many
do you tell when you are not satisfied? Anyone who will listen!
Especially if you feel cheated and misled.

This could really come back to bite them in the butt.

James

--
http://www.jcsphoto.ca
Personal portfolio in progress. Feedback appreciated!
 
I'd never have imagined I'd see a post like that from you, John!
Oh come on Al :-)
I, also, can't see this as being very wise. If the Phase One folks
are not listening to Michael Tapes' input, and you'd like to think
that they MUST be, then they are out of touch with their customer
base. Too bad. I know what it's like to put your heart and soul
into a product and have someone else pull the plug. It ain't fun.
Wishin' MT a big bottle of Advil over the next few days.
I doubt M. Tapes agrees w/ this nonsense. Michael has done a lot, but you can only beat so hard on a horse's head...

As I said... P1 shot itself on the foot. The future will be bright I'm sure... From what I've heard, regarding processing speed and features, and more importantly, from what I have seen so far, namely an outstanding debayering quality and accurate color, from a RAW converter project, mostly conducted by Mr. Etcetera himself -- I do think that the future could be bright for those who know how to wait... ;-)

John
John
I'm associated with a software development company that has several
products. This company would never ever consider such a move as the
back lash would be overwhelming as will be the case with this
decision by P1. Rule #1 in business is to "Never forget your old
customers" as they were the ones that got you where you are in the
market place. Also statistics show that a significant % of a
company's revenue comes from existing clients and you surely don't
want to rock that boat!

I really like the product but unless there is a reversal in policy
on P1's part in regards to LE I will be forced consider other
alternatives such as PS CRW.
Hi forum

According to the product specs, the new version 3.5 of C1 LE
released today will NOT, I repeat not, include conversion to 16
Bit.. For that privilege you have to shell out another £149 for the
SE version...

In adittion, The $29 'upgrade' STILL does not wholly correct the
neon/ yellow/ green bug issues. We'll have to wait till October (?)
for that...

LE users are being squeezed and IMO 10D users unfairly treated.

I suggest you check out the info at
http://www.pictureflow.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=27#

and if, like myself you feel cheated, register your complaints in
the feedback section.

It could be time to find a RAW conversion alternative.

Drew
 
I know what you mean. I've been trying (with limited success) to
keep myself out of the various C1-ACR-FVU debates but if C1 sticks
to their decision they'll be one less voice on the C1 side -- I may
be seduced by the dark side;-)
Agreed. There's people who like C1, CS, ACR, etc. I have always believed that you should use what works best for you and what you have become the most comfortable with.

But now, after I finally settle on something, they go and do this!

No matter how much I like C1, I will ensure that I don't spend another penny on their products unless this debacle is corrected. Simply on principle.

James

--
http://www.jcsphoto.ca
Personal portfolio in progress. Feedback appreciated!
 
Great to see the response to my original post...

Help out Michael and post ALL your grievances on the support forum link given in the first thread.

The 'Management' will ignore us to its peril.

Maybe people working together can still change things for the better...

Drew
 
There will be a new release of C1-LE and C1-SE next week. In that release the following will be restored:

--16 bit output capability (SE already has this)
--Noise Reduction Sliders
--support for 3rd party profiles

I have been asked to convey the regrets of Phase One management for the confusion and mess that this release has caused our valued customers. Without going into details, there were some internal management procedures that obviously did not work correctly, and as a result a release not worthy of the C1 name and our loyal customer base was released.

On behalf of P1, please accept our apologies, and understand that we appreciate that our customers voiced their opinions strongly and loudly, such that we could rectify this situation in a timely fashion. Please be assured that top management has committed itself to never letting this happen again.

Personally I appreciate the support shown to me by the customer base, and likewise to the top management for so quickly reversing to what is the obvious correct course.

There will be a release next week as stated, and also a planned maintenance release in June that will add Olympus support and hopefully some new features as well (but no promises).

One of the goals of this current release was to set the internal working of the Windows platform such that new features and performance enhancements can be added in a more timely fashion. Our next major release will be in October.

Thanks for you support and understanding and we hope that you continue to gain the beneifts of the C1 RAW workflow, which we are committed to keep improving such that we maintain our preminance in the field.

Again, we regret this situation, and look forward to moving forward with you, and never to repeat this occurance.
--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
 
I know a little about software development... I worked in an
environment with fulltime developers all around me. Someone is
making business decisions without considering the company image.
They're looking at what development costs are, and they don't care
about the end-users.
They chose to force the "consumer" into a choice, and I can
guarantee you that there will be not one single customer that will
be happy about this. Do you know why? None of the choices are
appealing.
If that's what your business leaders want, that's surely what
they're going to get.
It's a no-win choice. Let's sum it up:

Fork out $29 and lose features,
Stay with the current offering, lose support,
Spend $150 and move up the ladder, recover features you used to have,
Go to Adobe, spend more money.

No matter what, this one is going to hurt everyone involved.

When business leaders force these types of decisions, it does NOT
foster brand loyalty. In fact, it does the opposite. People start
grumbling. They complain. Some will scream from the treetops to
anyone that will listen.
Have you tried running a business where people complained? It's an
uphill struggle. It's VERY hard to sell your product and be
successful. If you put out a good product, stand behind it, and
help your customers, the customers will sell it for you. You will
quickly be the top of the heap. They will praise the product
until... well, until something like this comes along, and suddenly,
the whole thing comes to a screeching halt.

Your company's behavior makes them look greedy and un-interested in
their customers. This is typical behavior for Microsoft and other
large faceless corporations.

When smaller businesses make mistakes like this, they sometimes
recover by correcting their error quickly. If they don't, they
lose marketshare.
Once marketshare starts to erode, the good employees start to see
the sinking ship for what it is, and quickly leave. Business
managers quickly look for some way to salvage the business.
Layoffs, downsizing, selling assets, general panic, and then the
usual attempt to sell the business to someone else.

If your business managers want to create a hostile atmosphere, one
in which loyal supporters angrily and quickly start spreading their
bad feelings across the internet, photography studios, and to
anyone who will lend an ear, by all means, continue to release
"upgrades" like this one today.

Most of us know it's not the employees that make these dumb
decisions, it's the idiot(s) in control that need to have some salt
poured into their wounds. I won't be spending another dime until
some company bigwig apologizes and corrects the mistake.

Michael, thanks for the info, I and many others appreciate it.

Print this, send it to your management.
I was just about to purchase the product for my new 10D, but now I
am completely turned off.
If this is true, and Michael doesn't change it, I'll just be
upgrading my PS 7 to CS very soon.

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  • markE
http://www.wingsoflight.com



pbase supporter
I understand your feeling, but let's let this play out before you
give up on C1. It is still the best regardless of these release
snafus, so give me a little time to see what I can do. I appreciate
your frustration, but I appreciate your paitence even more :> )

--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
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--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
 
C1LE is all about raw work flow and so are the people who have
purchased it. We want maximum flexibility from the raw file or
else we would not shoot in raw. 16bit output is a requirement not
an option. If we wanted an 8bit image we’d shoot in JPEG and never
have purchased C1LE. 16bit files are the heart of raw conversion,
we know this and you (Phase One) know this, you have included it on
all prior versions of your software! Removing 16bit and other
features under the illusion of an “upgrade” only points to
deception, greed and arrogance on your behalf. Gouging your
current client base is no way to run a business. Do not take us
for idiots by offering petty upgrade/downgrade tricks. We are the
people who have allowed you to become what you are, and the people
who will decide what you will be in the future.

You must give back 16bit, 3rd party color profiles, noise reduction
sliders, and all else you have taken away from LE, you must
apologize to your existing customers in writing, vow never to let
this happen again, and ask for our forgiveness. You must do all of
this very quickly. Raw is nothing without 16bit and Phase One is
nothing without us.
You are exactly right. And this is what we have done. Please see below.

P1 sends its humble apologies for this error.

--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
 
There will be a new release of C1-LE and C1-SE next week. In that
release the following will be restored:

--16 bit output capability (SE already has this)
--Noise Reduction Sliders
--support for 3rd party profiles

I have been asked to convey the regrets of Phase One management for
the confusion and mess that this release has caused our valued
customers. Without going into details, there were some internal
management procedures that obviously did not work correctly, and as
a result a release not worthy of the C1 name and our loyal customer
base was released.

On behalf of P1, please accept our apologies, and understand that
we appreciate that our customers voiced their opinions strongly and
loudly, such that we could rectify this situation in a timely
fashion. Please be assured that top management has committed itself
to never letting this happen again.

Personally I appreciate the support shown to me by the customer
base, and likewise to the top management for so quickly reversing
to what is the obvious correct course.

There will be a release next week as stated, and also a planned
maintenance release in June that will add Olympus support and
hopefully some new features as well (but no promises).

One of the goals of this current release was to set the internal
working of the Windows platform such that new features and
performance enhancements can be added in a more timely fashion. Our
next major release will be in October.

Thanks for you support and understanding and we hope that you
continue to gain the beneifts of the C1 RAW workflow, which we are
committed to keep improving such that we maintain our preminance in
the field.

Again, we regret this situation, and look forward to moving forward
with you, and never to repeat this occurance.
--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
Good work, Michael!

~~~~
Magne
 
Great work Michael!

Sorry that you have to be the mouthpiece of apology.

Hope the 'management' appreciate the value of their support manager.

Excellent work

Drew (Marvb- on fC1 forums)
There will be a new release of C1-LE and C1-SE next week. In that
release the following will be restored:

--16 bit output capability (SE already has this)
--Noise Reduction Sliders
--support for 3rd party profiles

I have been asked to convey the regrets of Phase One management for
the confusion and mess that this release has caused our valued
customers. Without going into details, there were some internal
management procedures that obviously did not work correctly, and as
a result a release not worthy of the C1 name and our loyal customer
base was released.

On behalf of P1, please accept our apologies, and understand that
we appreciate that our customers voiced their opinions strongly and
loudly, such that we could rectify this situation in a timely
fashion. Please be assured that top management has committed itself
to never letting this happen again.

Personally I appreciate the support shown to me by the customer
base, and likewise to the top management for so quickly reversing
to what is the obvious correct course.

There will be a release next week as stated, and also a planned
maintenance release in June that will add Olympus support and
hopefully some new features as well (but no promises).

One of the goals of this current release was to set the internal
working of the Windows platform such that new features and
performance enhancements can be added in a more timely fashion. Our
next major release will be in October.

Thanks for you support and understanding and we hope that you
continue to gain the beneifts of the C1 RAW workflow, which we are
committed to keep improving such that we maintain our preminance in
the field.

Again, we regret this situation, and look forward to moving forward
with you, and never to repeat this occurance.
--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
 
Having assisted in the development of camera colour science, I
understand the trade-offs involved. However, this artifact is not
to my liking. Perhaps a future version could offer two different
interpolation scenes with different strengths and weaknesses.
--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
 
There will be a new release of C1-LE and C1-SE next week. In that
release the following will be restored:

--16 bit output capability (SE already has this)
--Noise Reduction Sliders
--support for 3rd party profiles
Thanks for your efforts. Glad you did not have to follow through on what was implied by reading between the lines.

I'm also glad I didn't notice this thread too early! I am a happy C1LE 1.3.1. user and will continue to be so.

Brett
 
There will be a new release of C1-LE and C1-SE next week. In that
release the following will be restored:

--16 bit output capability (SE already has this)
--Noise Reduction Sliders
--support for 3rd party profiles
Thanks for your efforts. Glad you did not have to follow through on
what was implied by reading between the lines.

I'm also glad I didn't notice this thread too early! I am a happy
C1LE 1.3.1. user and will continue to be so.
That is, happy to keep upgrading!!!

Brett
 
There will be a new release of C1-LE and C1-SE next week. In that
release the following will be restored:

--16 bit output capability (SE already has this)
--Noise Reduction Sliders
--support for 3rd party profiles

I have been asked to convey the regrets of Phase One management for
the confusion and mess that this release has caused our valued
customers. Without going into details, there were some internal
management procedures that obviously did not work correctly, and as
a result a release not worthy of the C1 name and our loyal customer
base was released.

On behalf of P1, please accept our apologies, and understand that
we appreciate that our customers voiced their opinions strongly and
loudly, such that we could rectify this situation in a timely
fashion. Please be assured that top management has committed itself
to never letting this happen again.

Personally I appreciate the support shown to me by the customer
base, and likewise to the top management for so quickly reversing
to what is the obvious correct course.

There will be a release next week as stated, and also a planned
maintenance release in June that will add Olympus support and
hopefully some new features as well (but no promises).

One of the goals of this current release was to set the internal
working of the Windows platform such that new features and
performance enhancements can be added in a more timely fashion. Our
next major release will be in October.

Thanks for you support and understanding and we hope that you
continue to gain the beneifts of the C1 RAW workflow, which we are
committed to keep improving such that we maintain our preminance in
the field.

Again, we regret this situation, and look forward to moving forward
with you, and never to repeat this occurance.
--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
 
Micheal,

Thank you for going all the way for us. You have prevented P1 from making a grave, possibly fatal, business error. They are extremely fortunate to have you on board -- and so are we.

Best regards and thanks again for going above and beyond.

Paul
There will be a new release of C1-LE and C1-SE next week. In that
release the following will be restored:

--16 bit output capability (SE already has this)
--Noise Reduction Sliders
--support for 3rd party profiles
--
Make photographs, not equipment lists!
Friends don't let friends measurebate
http://www.pbase.com/pauls/
 
Thanks Michael for all your trouble and for standing up for the consumer! I intended on purchasing the C1 LE software today (I have never shot with RAW before) due to C1's reputation as being the best converter. After seeing that there was a new release and that it dropped out the 16 bit feature, I halted my purchase (and wrote an e-mail to P1). Now I look forward to purchasing C1 LE next week that includes the 16 bit feature--thanks to you!
--
William Markey
Birmingham, AL
http://www.musecube.com/bamapix
[email protected]
 
Good news!

Thanks for all of your efforts Michael. A wrong has been righted.

Also, thanks to all of the forum members who joined in and helped voice our displeasure. Someone earlier eluded to the "squeaky wheel" and this was a fine example.

Hopefully they won't try and pull a stunt like this again... :)

James

--
http://www.jcsphoto.ca
Personal portfolio in progress. Feedback appreciated!
 
Thanks Michael for all your trouble and for standing up for the
consumer! I intended on purchasing the C1 LE software today (I
have never shot with RAW before) due to C1's reputation as being
the best converter. After seeing that there was a new release and
that it dropped out the 16 bit feature, I halted my purchase (and
wrote an e-mail to P1). Now I look forward to purchasing C1 LE
next week that includes the 16 bit feature--thanks to you!
--
William Markey
Birmingham, AL
http://www.musecube.com/bamapix
[email protected]
 
There will be a new release of C1-LE and C1-SE next week. In that
release the following will be restored:

--16 bit output capability (SE already has this)
--Noise Reduction Sliders
--support for 3rd party profiles

I have been asked to convey the regrets of Phase One management for
the confusion and mess that this release has caused our valued
customers. Without going into details, there were some internal
management procedures that obviously did not work correctly, and as
a result a release not worthy of the C1 name and our loyal customer
base was released.

On behalf of P1, please accept our apologies, and understand that
we appreciate that our customers voiced their opinions strongly and
loudly, such that we could rectify this situation in a timely
fashion. Please be assured that top management has committed itself
to never letting this happen again.

Personally I appreciate the support shown to me by the customer
base, and likewise to the top management for so quickly reversing
to what is the obvious correct course.

There will be a release next week as stated, and also a planned
maintenance release in June that will add Olympus support and
hopefully some new features as well (but no promises).

One of the goals of this current release was to set the internal
working of the Windows platform such that new features and
performance enhancements can be added in a more timely fashion. Our
next major release will be in October.

Thanks for you support and understanding and we hope that you
continue to gain the beneifts of the C1 RAW workflow, which we are
committed to keep improving such that we maintain our preminance in
the field.

Again, we regret this situation, and look forward to moving forward
with you, and never to repeat this occurance.
--
Regards,

Michael Tapes
Senior Product Manager C1 RAW Workflow - Phase One
http://www.RawWorkflow.com
 

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